First Pokémon Black & White Details and Images Evolve

[kotorfan04]

Hey Joey here, my Rattatta is great, like its in the top percentage of Rattatta. Alright talk to you later bye...

Damn you Joey.

Oh and as to the fight as to whether or not Pokemons are awesome I like it but different strokes for different folks.

 

[AdamRBi]

Im scared the battle systems going to turn real time.

More intense battles...

This could go two ways, iv'e always wanted proper pokemon action battles but if handled wrong could become spectrobes :O

Not for the Main games, I'd love to see real time battles in Pokemon Stadium-ish games. Kind of like Super Smash Bros. with all Pokemon.

 

[Mordwyl]

Seriously, why do people buy into what is essentially the same game with new names? Pokemon is like, the same thing over and over again, lunacy. nice to see that they are taking a step into a newish direction, but the very premise of Pokemon could be adapted into something that looks far better than this shit they put up before you, being praised as awesome.

Because the gameplay is awesome?

Seriously. High-level Pokemon is one of the most mindblowingly strategic games out there. Nothing I've ever played compares.

Frankly, Zeeky is right. Calling the games awesome is just pure bias over the franchise. That's it. The one thing that's keeping Game Freak in business with this tired out game is Nintendo, as I have lived through enough of the pet management genre to realise Pokemon Red and its future incarnations are on a pacemaker.

NO, he's not. Frankly, this situation just reeks of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. Play competitive, then get back to me.

It strikes the perfect balance between "accessible for all ages" and "holy crap hardcore."

Edit: But basically, what the guy said above me.

I've been part of the competitive scene briefly. Briefly, because from experience all the hardcore players do is obsess over a select few pokemon and whine because my regular all-stars (no pseudo legendaries) beat their excessively EV-trained team. For a game that brags about featuring over 400 different creatures while the devoted players only concentrate on roughly 10 variations makes the game boring quickly.

Yes, it's their own way to have fun, but it bugs me to no end about such a waste in design.

 

[blarghblarghhhhh]

nintendo has fixed the trading mechanic by offering online trading. I currently have 261 pokemon in my pokedex and between pokemon available in heart gold, platinum and online trading i will be able to get all of them save for two (deoxys(sp) and archaus(sp))so I dont see what people are complaining about as far as that goes.

 

[TimeLord]

No, no, no! everything that was ever good in 2D goes to 3D and fails!!


See also: Sonic the Hedgehog and Mario

 

[Steampunk Viking]

No, no, no! everything that was ever good in 2D goes to 3D and fails!!

I seem to remember Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time being the most successful in the series...

 

[Aurgelmir]

Seriously, why do people buy into what is essentially the same game with new names? Pokemon is like, the same thing over and over again, lunacy. nice to see that they are taking a step into a newish direction, but the very premise of Pokemon could be adapted into something that looks far better than this shit they put up before you, being praised as awesome.

Its simple:

People do not like playing the same game over and over again. But they like to play pokemon. New games means more time to play pokemon. New areas, new pokemon locations, and new "story"

Sure its the same, but also different.

I myself don't buy every pokemon game, but i did get HeartGold because I felt like pokemon again

No, no, no! everything that was ever good in 2D goes to 3D and fails!!

I seem to remember Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time being the most successful in the series...

Oh no no no no, you are remembering wrong. Mari 64 has nothing on Super Mario World. And Zelda still is best in 2D. Those games got a lot of attention, and a lot of people liked them, but why do you think Nintendo is going back to the roots on the Mario franchise?

 

[traineesword]

I've heard of being able to link up online with the DS, but I don't know, nor do I care, how this is done. I buy games like Pokemon because People are annoying dickheads, I don't want to play with others, I want to roll around with a large group of trained attack animals and brutally maul small children

not to add to the pokemon fanboyism or rage, i'm just going to comment on the irony of the(se) sentence(s). maybe people are dickheads to you because you are the biggest dick of them all.
gotta dick-em-all, dickhead-mon! (i swear thats actually the name of a digimon)

anyway, i jest because other than that bit there, you had a pretty good argument for yourself going. i do disagree with the bit where you got up to the pokemon league though. i played diamond (or was it pearl?) and i didn't even get that far! i literally had caught the legendary pokemon when i thought "holy crap, i've actually run out of enthusiasm to play this game anymore... its too damn easy"
the best part of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl for me was the ability to go spelunking... seriously, i spent 2 hours underground the first time i found out about it...

 

[TimeLord]

No, no, no! everything that was ever good in 2D goes to 3D and fails!!

I seem to remember Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time being the most successful in the series...

Ok so Mario was a bad example but I dislike the Zelda games with a passion!

 

[hardband]

Im scared the battle systems going to turn real time.

More intense battles...

This could go two ways, iv'e always wanted proper pokemon action battles but if handled wrong could become spectrobes :O

Not for the Main games, I'd love to see real time battles in Pokemon Stadium-ish games. Kind of like Super Smash Bros. with all Pokemon.

Yeah that would be awesome in spin-offs and if they did the quality would be good because mystery dungeon and rangers is proof of that. They are some of the best spinoffs ive played (especially mystery dungeon).

 

[Azmael Silverlance]

THIS IS IT GUYS! I CAN SMELL IT! THIS IS THE FIRST STEP! WORLD OF POKEMON IS COMING!

 

[Polock]

Ok? 3d walking? I really don't see how this is an amazingly huge improvement. I got Pearl, and before that Gold and Blue. I don't see any reason to buy Black and White.

Guess you have to be a real poke-fanatic.

 

[Rect Pola]

Visual improvement = Win; I hated that they deliberately made the last run of games look like a new version of exactly the same. Just for giggles.

Intense battles: because nothing said action like watching two static pictures take turns shifting and warping. Maybe it'll be real time or something.

Dungeon? Hell, I dunno, maybe they're going to push a narrative that isn't about becoming a poke-master.

A bigger issue I pray they fix is making the basic Pokeballs cheaper. Or at least so you don't lose them if it wasn't just right. Money has NEVER been plentiful in this series, and yet they demand hundreds for a single ball. Why do you think they made that berry mechanic? Because stocking pokeballs got the lion's share of you budget. Blowing said stock on some bastard that will only go in a special ball (thought the game couldn't be bothered just to tell you) is usually where my desire to play instantly stops dead.

 

[Baron_BJ]

I've heard of being able to link up online with the DS, but I don't know, nor do I care, how this is done. I buy games like Pokemon because People are annoying dickheads, I don't want to play with others, I want to roll around with a large group of trained attack animals and brutally maul small children

not to add to the pokemon fanboyism or rage, I'm just going to comment on the irony of the(se) sentence(s). maybe people are dickheads to you because you are the biggest dick of them all.
gotta dick-em-all, dickhead-mon! (i swear thats actually the name of a Digimon)

anyway, i jest because other than that bit there, you had a pretty good argument for yourself going. i do disagree with the bit where you got up to the pokemon league though. i played diamond (or was it pearl?) and i didn't even get that far! i literally had caught the legendary pokemon when i thought "holy crap, I've actually run out of enthusiasm to play this game anymore... its too damn easy"
the best part of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl for me was the ability to go spelunking... seriously, i spent 2 hours underground the first time i found out about it...

That's a fair statement, however it's more of a reaction to the community that one is exposed to during gaming. I'm a person who prizes intelligence and wit above all else (and in a world of electronic gaming even more so) and when I'm trying to play a game if I'm placed in a match with some 12 year old who wants to call everyone on his team a ****** and a n00b because they chose not to follow his instructions instead of what the majority of the group had agreed to. My statement more or less states "If you're a tool then I don't want to be around you" and unfortunately, a disturbingly large portion of gamers in certain online communities are the aforementioned brand of jackass. To say I'm not smug and a horrible person when agitated would be an understatement. A slightly hypocritical stance on my part? Yes.

Just on a side note regarding your conversations about the changing of platform of games from 2D to 3D I can't help but jump in and say that the leap between the two depends entirely upon the gameplay of the original. Mario works with this system change fine, as does the Legend of Zelda series (Though I dislike the 3D versions, I will say that it works), Sonic however is all about speed and the amount of control needed to work with the 3D just isn't possible if they wish to keep the character as that character; ie. if Sonic isn't a fast, blur of blue then he isn't Sonic, no matter how identical the characters appear otherwise since he's all about the speed. So in the end I suppose I'm in agreement with both, Pokemon's mechanics however doesn't seem like it could translate in any way other than with keeping mechanics identical and adding in a detailed 3D environment, my best example of what I mean is the combat of Final Fantasy XIII, however with it remaining turn-based, not cooldown based, meaning the mechanics are the same, but they would end up running around the area combat began in and taking turns to ***** slap each other whilst charging around and showing their attack. That, I think would be a nice improvement to the games. My apologies if that is difficult to understand, I've no better way to phrase it.

 

[John Funk]

Seriously, why do people buy into what is essentially the same game with new names? Pokemon is like, the same thing over and over again, lunacy. nice to see that they are taking a step into a newish direction, but the very premise of Pokemon could be adapted into something that looks far better than this shit they put up before you, being praised as awesome.

Because the gameplay is awesome?

Seriously. High-level Pokemon is one of the most mindblowingly strategic games out there. Nothing I've ever played compares.

Frankly, Zeeky is right. Calling the games awesome is just pure bias over the franchise. That's it. The one thing that's keeping Game Freak in business with this tired out game is Nintendo, as I have lived through enough of the pet management genre to realise Pokemon Red and its future incarnations are on a pacemaker.

NO, he's not. Frankly, this situation just reeks of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. Play competitive, then get back to me.

It strikes the perfect balance between "accessible for all ages" and "holy crap hardcore."

Edit: But basically, what the guy said above me.

MOST players don't know how to access this "hardcore" version of the Pokemon series that all this praise is given to (and more over keep the leveling process interesting, When I played if I wanted to level my critters I had to just destroy the league over and over, it wasn't very much fun), would you mind giving GREAT detail about this? It does sound interesting.

Something that keeps coming to mind whenever I see YOU post John, I notice that whenever you get into an argument in a post with other members (argumentative conversation, etc, call things whatever you wish, it's not a bad thing) I keep thinking "wow he's an editor! He's like the god of this land, he should be this almighty god who is above argument, etc, etc, wank wank", but then I always think "Hang the fuck on, he's just a normal guy who plays games like everyone else, but he gets paid for it, why the fuck am I thinking he should be above what the rest of us are doing (ie. Girlish e-slapfights)?". I know it's a pointless comment, but it nags at me constantly and maybe if I say it I'll stop thinking about it.

I just want news on the new starters to tell the truth.

I concur, when you see the starters you can tell the feel of all the new Pokemon near instantly. So far the few new ones shown to us have been quite lackluster, let's hope that things pan out better.

Once again, my head is still awful, I have most likely made another brain-fart filled with grammatical errors, I apologize again in case, I hope it wasn't too irritating to read.

Going to respond to both posts in one, briefly: What you said you do, blowing through the League with a level 80 starter? That's the sort of thing that makes Pokemon accessible for all ages; a 6-year-old can beat the game just by leveling his beloved Charizard or something, or blow into the League with all three legendary birds from RBY and just use it to pwn everything.

But there's a very, very deep engine and mechanics beneath it - and yes, there ARE tournaments where people bring their meticulously trained teams to battle (its' better over WiFi now, because you can automatically set your level to 50 or 100 so you don't need to grind it up all the way). You need to look for it, though - it won't find you.

The one part I don't like is that it can take so long to get a good team. EV training takes forever, and I'd love if B&W could do something to make that process a lot less painless. But that's why programs like ShoddyBattle are great, because they let you do it automatically - it's the depth of the Pokemon battle system without any of the pain and frustration of training them all up.

And yes, I really am a gamer like you guys. I argue and disagree - I just like to think that I have a bit more of a perspective on things these days, but I'll readily admit to bias in favor of a few things. That's one of our philosophies, really - no one writes for us in-house that doesn't love games as a gamer.

 

[twaddle]

if they are going to update the graphics like this couldnt they update the pokemon graphics in battle. Why don't they make the pokemon in 3d like on the console versions. would it really take that much. just in battle i mean. hell they could give the battles with n64 or game cube pokemon graphics. still it does look nice though..

 

[ssgt splatter]

More pokemon...when will it end ?!?!

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

My new pokemon games are in the top percentage of Pokemon games!

*is more excited*

BRING IT! BRING IT! BRING IT!