Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator
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My recommendation is to bookmark this link [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0_8TpLi0wo]. That way, whenever someone posts something you disagree with on the internet, you can watch it instead of raging at them.Balobo said:
Eh... I respect this guy's right to make whatever he feels like. Be it misogynistic flash games or terrible sonic fanart. Or other stuff.[footnote]If you are wondering what sort of person gets this mad over youtube videos, google "bendilin" or "losttrap." Just don't do it at work or with family in the room.[/footnote] That doesn't mean Newgrounds has to give him a mouthpiece, ofc.Dumbfish1 said:
Not that the game isn't horrible but I'm slightly surprised that Newgrounds pulled the game. Mostly because they actually have an entire genre category for games where you beat the shit out of people. Osama, George Bush, I remember seeing one about Robert Pattinson and a Miley Cyrus one if I'm correct. I'm just not sure why they thought this was the one that needed to be pulled.Kahunaburger said:
Watched it, was unimpressed.rbstewart7263 said:
There were a few glaring issues that jumped out at me.
His analysis of her thesis was kind of cringe-inducing, because it became abundantly clear that he was either strawmanning, skimming, or unable to understand the paper. Saying, for instance, that he's unclear on whether she thinks traits broken down in a diagram are negative or positive makes me wonder why he didn't read the actual analysis the diagram was supplementing. As far as I can tell, he also appears to believe that a Master's thesis featuring citations is a bad thing. This indicates to me that he either has very little experience writing in an academic context or assumes his audience has very little experience writing in an academic context.
Combined with other bizarre mistakes, like not understanding what the word "fetishize" means outside of a sex/porn context or not realizing what a reading level calculator is used for, this makes the video come off as pseudo-intellectual.
Finally, the fact that he is dredging up a Master's thesis in the first place is very Kagan confirmation process. What someone wrote in years ago in an academic context is not particularly revealing: theses are more "show me that you've earned your degree" and less "describe, at length, your entire socio-political philosophy, from which you will not deviate after graduation."
Now, although a dredged up thesis is weak evidence, this thesis could be used as part of a more intelligent critique. Basically, what he should have done is opened up with "Tropes vs. Women is inherently flawed, because it relies on a reductionist quasi-troper mentality we see elsewhere in Sarkeesian's work," and gone from there, discussing how analyzing media in terms of recurring tropes is reductionist and robs things of their context. He comes close to starting this at multiple points in the video, but it never coalesces into a coherent critique.
A weaker argument that could nonetheless incorporate higher-level analysis would be an actual reading of her thesis. I'm not convinced this guy has what it takes to do this, but on the off-chance that he was being disingenuous instead of simply missing the point, he could have theoretically have done the first five minutes of the video in a serious, non-strawmanning fashion. This probably wouldn't work as a youtube video.
...What the hell do you want me to say. "Oh, they're such assholes?" They are but I'm sick of people expecting me to get worked up over every little thing that happens in the world. It's planet Earth, shit like this happens all the time, welcome to the club.
Newgrounds removes any new submission that fails to score a base minimum after so many votes. This process is known as "blamming". The game was removed because the Newgrounds userbase categorically despised it, not any administrative decision on the part of Newgrounds staff.him over there said:
Ah that makes sense. At least from a logical stand point because in my experience the newgrounds community is pretty terrible.cobra_ky said:
Personally, not only do I respect this hopeless shitstain's right to show the whole world exactly how worthless he is, I'd like to encourage him to carry on--him and everybody like him. I insist that they keep the insults and threats and general asshattery coming. Why? Because the more they pull stuff like this, the more people will hate them, and the less everyone will want to have in common with them. Guys like this are to video-game sexism what the Westboro Baptist Church is to homophobia.Kahunaburger said:
Which is why he doesn't come off as someone who understands what a thesis is for. A thesis in a humanities discipline that doesn't demonstrate an understanding of the relevant literature is not a successful thesis. That entire argument is literally just him taking things that are required or standard in humanities theses (quotes, citations, etc.) and trying to put a negative spin on it. Does he provide any substantive justification for said negative spin? Haha, of course not. That's not what he's here to do.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
You're also using a definition that is slightly inaccurate to the case discussed. The definition most commonly used in this type of feminist criticism (and the definition that is actually supported by the context) is more closely related to the concept of commodity fetishism. You're probably familiar with the term "objectification" - it's also a related concept. This [http://faculty.cua.edu/johnsong/hitchcock/pages/scopophilia/scopophilia.html] is the definition of fetishism that this video should be engaging with.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
So, in the context of this new definition, statements you previously found confusing like:
...become much more clear.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
I know about his twitter. Apparently it's been suspended, though, so if you're referring to a post he's made incredibly recently that somehow proves he's a misogynist/sexist/whatever, unfortunately I'm unable to see it.Kahunaburger said:
And I know about him crossdressing. I don't particularly care. What's the purpose behind you referring to that?
He's explained that he made the flash because he believes she's scamming people with her kickstarter, not just because she made a bunch of videos complaining about sexism in video games. You don't know what you're talking about.dreadedcandiru99 said:
Truth. I say by all means let this guy continue to make it abundantly clear how much of a problem sexism is in certain segments of gaming culture.dreadedcandiru99 said:
I support this guy's right to wear whatever he wants. The harassment he received from 4chan for cross-dressing is 4chan being disgustingly reactionary as usual, and is something that all of us should be opposed to.IronicBeet said:
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Now, as you can tell the post you quoted, I was actually referencing the chris-chan-esque sanic hegehog stuff. He's tried to pull some of it (screencaps of which you can find on the relevant SA thread) but to my knowledge a lot of it is still up on various places. Is it relevant to mock him for making creepy and occasionally pornographic sonic fanart? No, but it's hilarious.
He "believes" that, does he? Yeah, a lot of people seem to "believe" that. I have yet to see one of them prove it.IronicBeet said:
What it comes down to is that he made a game about beating up a woman, apparently just because she has an opinion he doesn't like. Frankly, I don't give a shit what he "believes."
So you're content to attack who he is as a person, rather than specifically what the points he makes about the subject at hand are. Congratulations, you've now stooped to the level of the people who are antagonizing Anita Sarkeesian.Kahunaburger said:
Oh, so you admit that he made the game because he doesn't like her opinion, not because she's a woman. Kind of debunks the claims of him being a misogynist, then.dreadedcandiru99 said:
Fixed for accuracy.IronicBeet said:
And to misquote Emma Goldman, if I can't laugh at creepy fanart, I don't want to be part of your revolution.