darkfox85 said:
I?m terribly sorry if my existence necessitates a misogynistic response but I think they?d do perfectly fine without me. As for a biased perspective, it?s a little difficult to present the existence of a violent flashgame in such a way that draws easy conclusions and I?m not sure how you can possible claim any basis for an evidence of bias on this. It boggles my mind on how you could possibly feel there?s more to this display and makes me wonder what the hell you?re thinking. And I?m not talking about the wider picture just then between weird accusations of baiting and calling out and other things that just don?t stick.
My complaints about you are not based in sexism, but of rationality. therefore calling them "misogynistic" is little more then name-calling. The problem here is that you, like her, point at the frothing 4chan mob and declare them a fair representation of gamers. You, just like her, point to the response she manipulated as justification of the claims when they are not. I will agree he is an asshole (as already stated), I just find it dishonest to claim that such an asshat justifies support for his opposition. One bad apple does not ruin the bunch here.
Actually yes I have you arrogant twerp. Why would you think I hadn?t? Because I don?t agree with you? I disagree with a few of her views and I didn?t write about it in length in that post but my analysis and interactions (depressing interactions) with the backlash have firmly made up my mind and this latest display, good lord. You have presumed my knowledge and background with no basis whatsoever. Congratulations, you are a presumptuous prick.
Furthermore, you didn?t have the common courtesy to ask me about this before laying stupid insults at me and presuming to know me and my motivations. I have studied all her views, watched all videos, read her blog, and have done the same for those who oppose her and arrived at a conclusion. You jumping down my throat proves just the sort of knee-jerk reaction you?re stupidly trying to impose on me and others. So further congratulations are to be laid upon you for being a much truer sheep.
I would think it because, as you so eloquently put it and I made sure to point out with a secondary quote.
the backlash and the reactions against Sarkeesian not only firmly put me on her side, but made me decide to take up feminism again.
This may be just me, but when you out and out say the reason you made the final decision to side with he is because of the trolls that were intentionally riled up,
it suggests you are only doing it because of the response of the trolls intentionally riled up.
Now, call me strange for assuming that what you said there was actually what you meant to say, but presumptuous... not quite. My jumping down your through though is because of the stupidity of making a decision because of the loudmouthed in the crowd. Sorry I have a knee-jerk reaction to blatantly errored reasoning being proudly proclaimed, as you have, but that is less about me being a gamer here and more about calling bullshit as bullshit. Not sure how that is sheep-like so much as trying to uphold a standard of rationality.
I couldn?t give a shit about 4chan and the sort of people who dwell there so I suppose I?m on her side on this as well. Oh I?m sure there?s a lovely community between the tentacle rape and child porn I found there, but I?m sure even the ?vilest asshole? in my city would have trouble competing with the behaviour we?ve seen in the past few weeks.
This suggests that your claims to be aware of everything is nothing but bullshit. You know, since her vid was spammed over 4chan, a place notorious for trolls and is what fueled the worst of what she got in terms of asshat commentators. But please, actually address my point if you would. Is it fair to look at the worst and say they represent the whole? I would hope your response is a "no", though since you fail to understand my point of raising it before I don't know. To put it more directly, she claims the trolls represent gamers as a whole after her video was baited over the assholes of the web. This is akin to saying all bears are killers after wrapping steak around yourself and jumping into a bit of starving bears. It IS dishonest representation.
You know nothing about me. Nothing. Not my background, education, lifestyle or views. It?s far more depressing that people like you exist; people who?re so quick to baselessly condemn without a talk first.
It?s a little more than ?internet assholery? as you put it. Something bigger and deeper is clearly going on and it?s a real shame it manifested like THIS. It?s pretty damn clear the need for this is far greater and frankly my donation will only be to spite people like you. Grounds for sheepishness on that basis is justified, but there are other things going on (not that you care to notice or ask.)
I know nothing of you except what opinion you posted, which,m as you still seem to keep defending the whole "they were assholes so I will side with her" crap, it IS a sad depressing state. I use that to condemn your opinion because that is all you put of your opinion on this measure. This isn't assumption of your character, this isn't saying you go out and kick puppies or something, this is looking at what you claimed about letting a dishonest representation sway your decision and calling it out for being the same bullshit I have seen before. Sorry if that affronts you, but you haven't done anything to actually address what I said except get pissed off that I said. I get it, you don't like it, why don't you explain how I misinterpreted your exact words taken in context though rather then keep saying "you are wrong because of shit that isn't being remarked on". Go on, address how a misrepresented bunch of trolls represents the number of people who can earnestly and fairly dig into her videos and find them filled with problems. Hell, address her own claims about the trolls representing gamers as a whole.
I called you out for bullshit reasoning. I've explained why it is bullshit reasoning. Do you have rebuttal to that?
Saying something bigger is going on is fine, but saying youtube trolling by 4chan is the sign of it is unjustified misrepresentation of things and, as I said before, utter bullshit. But please, keep talking about "people like me" as though the one whining about how I don't know who they are actually knows about me and my stance on the matter. After all doing something out of spite for spite sake has never been the sign of someone showing sheepishness. Reverse psychology anyone?
Yes. ?Her being trolled.? Have YOU looked at the backlash? It?s a bit more than that and clearly demonstrates something else is going on. Her encouragement of this wave of bile was little more than simply existing just as my own existence has been your empty, condescending rebuttal. From her own videos I found much to disagree with and was planning on being only mildly supportive (at least until we saw the true meat) but having talked with and examined just how much I disagree with the backlash, my position was finally clear and I have to oppose them. As for her argument on videogames, let?s watch a few more before we decide ?it often falls? hmm? I know that?s asking for a lot; your mind seems more firmly made up than my own.
I've seen the same backlash on youtube time and again. I've seen it in videos about religion, about politics and philosophy. threats of rape, death, family death, blah blah blah. This is not a sign of anything more then the assholes of the web being assholes. Hell, you act as though the reaction she got was a uniform reaction by a large number of disgruntled gamers. How many were trolls for trolling sake? 4chaners? Men's right activists who never picked up a controller? It is baffling why anyone would listen to her claims of it being gamer's reaction. And don't get me started about numbers. As though a couple hundred assholes (not even breaking down non-gamers, trolls, etc) actually fairly represent more then 120 million male gamers in this nation alone... Do you not understand the level of sheer intellectual dishonesty involved in a claim like that?!?
And finally, a completely unfounded accusation. I only care because she?s a woman? Well I can never disprove that, so you win! Oh, maybe it?s a projection of your own sexism? My support for thinking so is better than your reasons to think what you do because you have no basis, but the fact you make such a wild accusation gives me the basis I need.
This shit needs to be confronted, as do people like you. But I think your post has ticked all the boxes. One, final, congratulations, is in order.
Not quite my case, more so that you may only care because of the vile directed at her is using her gender as a point to attack by. But it wasn't an accusation in the end, merely a thought on the matter. the lack of integrity is, and one I will argue still as I have above, but the other aspect is merely an aside about you. As it isn't an accusation, does that mean the rest of your fault counterargument of "You made a bad accusation therefore the opposite is true" falls apart? Or will you try to rework it because you already think I am some sexist asshole when really I am just sick of bullshit logic being perpetuated as justification. I don't support the guy who made the game, nor the commenters. But I sure as hell don't support her bullshit logic and terrible videos either. The way you present it, it is as though there are only the two choice, with her or sexist.
