Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

[rbstewart7263]

Its been awhile since I played 4.Shes still badass jeez lol

 

[Treblaine]

It is very, very difficult to make comparisons because different countries have different definitions of rape, and enforcement also depends on cultural attitudes towards sexual assault and how seriously the authorities take it. If the victims don't think the police are going to do anything about it anyway, then they aren't going to bother reporting it, especially when doing so can open them up to shaming and more harassment.

<a href=http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20101015a2.html#.T_n6t_UZ-nA>Train groping is drastically underreported in Japan.

And I'm not just making assumptions about Egypt, either. It's only relevant insofar as it's an example of how unreliable reported rape statistics are.

OK, but something MUST be able to be concluded from the 25-fold difference in reported incidence per 100'000 or rapes between the USA and Japan. How can that be down to under-reporting? If it is that is a totally unacceptable level of under reporting which must be addressed, this means at least 95% of rapes are going unreported for it to be the same incidence per capita as America and 100% of rapes reported in America.

And I have said before, there is under-reporting in both Japan and America, you can't only consider under-reporting in Japan, that's cooking the books.

SOMETHING can be gleaned from this: to spite the extreme pornographic fiction all signs point to Japan having a low crime rate across the board, including sexual crimes. This contradicts Ms Sarkeesian's spurious link between sexy adverts and passengers being molested.

 

[Treblaine]

Like I have said I don't agree with everything Sarkeesian says but at least she doesn't straight up deny there is a problem when there is clearly a problem.

Yes there is a problem, but women being sexual in video games is not a problem, why should any woman be ashamed of her sexuality? It is the lack of female protagonists in general and breadth of representation.

I still have yet to get a reason why women being sexual is even a problem, as if a real woman should be ashamed of their body.

Ms Sarkeesian acting like it's some profound realisation that famous people get hate-mail (what trolling used to be called) and that somehow it's only happening to her because she is a woman, that is disingenuous. And to focus on that as if it is the worst criticism she has to deal with, that is definitively straw-manning.

These trolls are more misanthropic (hate humankind) than specifically misogynistic. Have you seen the way the 4chan crowd talks to each other? They are a bunch of psychos.

People in this thread have already explained this to you multiple times. If you choose to remain poorly informed after a page or two of people explaining exactly why you're missing the point about this policy, there's nothing I can do to help you. If you skimmed the last few pages of the thread, read them again and actually learn from the people trying to teach you why Japan chose these policies.

You are repeating yourself now, ignoring the refutation that I have already given you and refusing to give the clarification I said was necessary.

Stop going on about "explained this to you multiple times" the same fallacies and broken argument have been used repeatedly, but a lie doesn't become true if it is repeated. I have read this thread very carefully, you seem to be claiming things that are not there.

You are refusing to make any kind of reasoned arguments, you are just making repeated blind assertions while I continue to use logic and rationality to reinforce my stance. You can cop out and declare victory if you like, makes no difference to me. You are reaffirmed your bias and conformed to me you never had a case, but I know you manufacturing this hollow conclusion will rest heavy on your mind at you and eventually when you've cooled off you'll reconsider this.

 

[Balobo]

Have you seen the way the 4chan crowd talks to each other? They are a bunch of psychos.

They seem fine to me and I browse 4chan daily. You probably only visited /b/ and for 20 minutes at that.

 

[Treblaine]

This argument about the subways is very fundamentalist. ....

Perhaps the very fact that they over sexualise and objectify females in most of their media including video games just adds to the problem of men seeing women as something that is there to be grabbed as they feel like it.

That makes no sense.

What is the link in logic between a man seeing a poster of scantily clad lady looking out in a sultry way...

... and grabbing and manhandling a struggling and suffering woman, hurting and distressing her?

There is none. It's like seeing an advertisement for a Lexus then throwing a molotov cocktail at the next car you see.

How does a poster of a woman with a distinctly human expression make her an object, beyond the fact that a poster is an object, but that applies to pictures of everyone. You have to be LITERALLY INSANE to look at a picture of a human being, conclude that because that picture OF a human being is an object, therefore human beings are objects. That's insane. The problem is not the picture, the problem is why are so many people insane.

How. Bloody HOW is showing women in distinctly human and animate ways turning them into objects?!?!

 

[Treblaine]

Have you seen the way the 4chan crowd talks to each other? They are a bunch of psychos.

They seem fine to me and I browse 4chan daily. You probably only visited /b/ and for 20 minutes at that.

Last time I were there I found a thread where they were rallying to push Noah Antwiler (spoonyone) to suicide.

Maybe not all the time, but they certainly have a tendency to extreme misanthropy.

 

[freaper]

Wow.. I remember flash games where you could KO Osama Bin Laden or George W. Bush...

 

[Treblaine]

How. Bloody HOW is showing women in distinctly human and animate ways turning them into objects?!?!

Put yourself in the mindset of an anti-sex feminist & it makes sense. I do love that it links her & the fat conservative assholes that say a womans clothing is why she gets raped.

I think the important part is the anti-sex part. It is amazing how some can get away with attacking female characters JUST for being sexual. Disregard everything else about them, just denigrate them by calling them "busty".

Ms Sarkeesian has shown she is more conservative than I think she'd ever like to admit, over and over again her arguments have consisted of "it's sexy, it's bad". Her 5 videos outlined for her kickstarter video are just the standard roles you'd find in any story-writing guide (protagonist, supporting character, antagonist, peripheral character, VIP) and added names that denigrate them for being sexual.

It's interesting that in all this she has never addressed the sexism in Metroid Other M. Though the character was never sexualised, in every way she was denigrated as a woman rolling out the worst female tropes that the media hasn't seen since the 1970's of the weak unstable woman a sycophant to her disinterested obsession.

 

[Kahunaburger]

ITT: people uncritically repeat conservative talking points about feminism, then call feminists conservative.

Truly this is the thread that keeps on giving.

 

[Spud of Doom]

I wish I was surprised by this. Good to see it got blammed by the NG users, at least.

 

[Kahunaburger]

ITT: People ignoring the arguments of others in attempt to avoid being proven wrong.

Let's put it this way: if someone posts the same faulty reasoning over and over (or post a faulty argument I've seen before from someone else,) it's not fun from my perspective to respond to each instance of their one faulty argument. If they post something with more thought in it, or post something that is faulty for a new and interesting reason, I'm more likely to respond.

 

[cobra_ky]

It is very, very difficult to make comparisons because different countries have different definitions of rape, and enforcement also depends on cultural attitudes towards sexual assault and how seriously the authorities take it. If the victims don't think the police are going to do anything about it anyway, then they aren't going to bother reporting it, especially when doing so can open them up to shaming and more harassment.

<a href=http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20101015a2.html#.T_n6t_UZ-nA>Train groping is drastically underreported in Japan.

And I'm not just making assumptions about Egypt, either. It's only relevant insofar as it's an example of how unreliable reported rape statistics are.

OK, but something MUST be able to be concluded from the 25-fold difference in reported incidence per 100'000 or rapes between the USA and Japan. How can that be down to under-reporting? If it is that is a totally unacceptable level of under reporting which must be addressed, this means at least 95% of rapes are going unreported for it to be the same incidence per capita as America and 100% of rapes reported in America.

And I have said before, there is under-reporting in both Japan and America, you can't only consider under-reporting in Japan, that's cooking the books.

SOMETHING can be gleaned from this: to spite the extreme pornographic fiction all signs point to Japan having a low crime rate across the board, including sexual crimes. This contradicts Ms Sarkeesian's spurious link between sexy adverts and passengers being molested.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up the US or why such a comparison is relevant. All I've shown is that police reports are not a reliable indicator for the prevalence of sexual harassment in general, and train-groping in Japan in particular.

As i said before, sexual assaults are under-reported to varying degrees in various countries, and without accurate statistics it is very difficult to make comparisons.

 

[rbstewart7263]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI&feature=g-hist

kahuna you wanted a clear and concise youtube video debunking her views.

here you go.

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

This is absolutely horrible. If people want to donate to her, that's their business. She asked for 6k for a video series. I don't even know why people have pitched such a terrible fit against her from the start.

This is a travesty of humanity, etc. etc. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, but still.

Meh, if it was about beating a man nobody would care.

I disagree. I'd be very pissed if someone were to make a game about beating up a well-meaning man. Women and men are both people.