You think having a doctor's note that you're eligible to compete in sports is damaging?The implementation however... I agree that this will probably be used to harass people and do more damage than good.
You think having a doctor's note that you're eligible to compete in sports is damaging?The implementation however... I agree that this will probably be used to harass people and do more damage than good.
This is qanon level logic and denialAnd I'm pretty sure the inspection thing is just a very elaborate FBI ruse to catch folks who'd apply to be one lol.
Still just making shit up as you go, huh?Female is sex not gender, you don't transition into female, you transition into girl/woman, you're still male.
The same people who already do. You can't do competitive sports without a physical. A sports physical is going to involve a hernia check. The doctor has felt your junk, and does not need to feel again to testify about your sex organs.I mean, it is already starting at "who pays for that doctors evaluation" ?
Anti-trans laws are always *ALWAYS* proposed in terms of protecting cis girls/women from "men in dresses" or their equivalent. No one is particularly worried about trans men or how boys/men might interact with trans people.Does this prevent the trans folks from participating in sports against the boys too? Cause it sounds like this is only about protecting the girls from unfair competition.
...unless it's a sport where there's only a girls team. In which case boys can play on the girls team under Title IX. Which always seems to piss off a noticeable subset of the folks who demand "equality" for some reason.then you could just play with the boys too.
...and thus all middle school and high school sports become massive pedophile stings, combined with some new face recognition tech that determines who is aroused based on facial imaging. It of course only works properly on white faces due to image contrast, but no one seems to care that the pedo detection system only detects white pedos.I am sure a lot of us would find all manner of sports more appealing if it featured a good side order of P&A and T&A.
You still have very little idea of what you're talking about, I see.
Wait, are you saying that sex and gender are not separate, that you transition sex and not only gender by identifying as the other (or is hormones the mark for that, or what?), or something else here?Still just making shit up as you go, huh?
Sex and gender are different things, that's a perfectly accurate bit.Wait, are you saying that sex and gender are not separate, that you transition sex and not only gender by identifying as the other (or is hormones the mark for that, or what?), or something else here?
...in context of school sports, most trans kids that age aren't even undergoing HRT, are they? Isn't it typically just puberty blockers for that age range?Sex and gender are different things, that's a perfectly accurate bit.
But most trans people do not believe they have changed gender. Most believe they were always 1 gender, but that the biological sex did not match it (the disconnect is what's referred to as gender dysphoria).
When a trans person undergoes transitional processes (such as surgery or HRT, among others), they're changing their physical sexual characteristics to be in line with the gender they already feel they have. So it's the physical that transitions; the sex.
Of course, some trans people don't transition at all.
Seeing as puberty is nothing but hormones, blocking them would, I think, count as HRT in some sense? It might be a semantic thing, but preventing certain hormones from being produced, even if your not replacing them with others of another kind, sounds like hormone therapy to me....in context of school sports, most trans kids that age aren't even undergoing HRT, are they? Isn't it typically just puberty blockers for that age range?
Typically, yes, from what I understand. But Dreiko's statement was broadly about trans people in general as far as I can tell....in context of school sports, most trans kids that age aren't even undergoing HRT, are they? Isn't it typically just puberty blockers for that age range?
HRT stands for Hormone Replacement Therapy, and generally involves introducing hormones rather than just blocking. It'd be a subtype of hormone therapies.Seeing as puberty is nothing but hormones, blocking them would, I think, count as HRT in some sense? It might be a semantic thing, but preventing certain hormones from being produced, even if your not replacing them with others of another kind, sounds like hormone therapy to me.
Pretty sure it was you who said to me in another topic that biological sex and gender are not interchangeable. Well, female is sex not gender, and being trans is about your gender not your sex, so these male girls are not females. (the post I was quoting was referring to them as "transgender female" not "transgender girl/feminine/so on")Still just making shit up as you go, huh?
Wouldn't it not being against the trans boys be an indication of it actually being intended to protect girls and not just flatly be against trans people though? Cause why do they let the boys of the hook if they just hate them so viscerally. They could make the case that having a female with the boys in the changing room would be inappropriate or what have you if they were so inclined.Anti-trans laws are always *ALWAYS* proposed in terms of protecting cis girls/women from "men in dresses" or their equivalent. No one is particularly worried about trans men or how boys/men might interact with trans people.
Dude, just stop.Pretty sure it was you who said to me in another topic that biological sex and gender are not interchangeable. Well, female is sex not gender, and being trans is about your gender not your sex, so these male girls are not females. (the post I was quoting was referring to them as "transgender female" not "transgender girl/feminine/so on")
That is known. That is also why you typically do sex segregation only from 14-15 onward or start even later. There is no reason to do so until boys and girls on average give significantly different result. Unless you want to seperate the sexes for other reasons because your culture is overly prudish.For children, however, this is not actually true. Around age 12 and 13, for example, girls in developed countries are, on average, larger and more muscular than boys and have less body fat. That's because girls tend to start puberty earlier than boys and generally grow very fast in early puberty, slowing down as they age. Boys, despite their faster overall growth, lag behind a bit and typically only reach their full adult size at around 18.
There are good reasons to have sex segregation for competitions and those reasons don't go away only because trans-children make it more complicated.Competition between adolescents will never be fair, the best thing is just to get over it and maybe teach children to enjoy sport for its own sake regardless of whether they win or lose.
So, basically, trans people don't get to exist publicly. Because the 1 trans girl in the school interested in athletics maybe winning a thing once in awhile is the death of girls high school sports, even if they've been on blockers the whole time and haven't gone trough puberty.But no, you have girl teams and girl competitions precisely because you don't want girls to lose any interest in the sport because they now they could never compete with the boys anyway. You do that to make "the best of the girls" to be something that seems achievable through hard work and something to aspire to. You don't want people with male bodies in those competition because that goes completely against the reason those exist. And you don't want people with bodies that are somewhere inbetween due to hormonal therapy either because if they win, everyone will just assume that the hormonal therapy didn't really work and they won because of an unfair sex advantage.
But a lot of people do take it seriously.When did we stop making fun of people who take high school sports too seriously? Did I not get the memo? This stupid ass argument gets brought up every now and again by some sad sacks that hated the fact that the kids on the reservation had a solid 6 inches on us white dudes too. We still fucking played, who gives a shit about your high school w/l record?
You might have made fun of them, but I get the horrible feeling that competitive parents who overvalue competitive school sports have traditionally been the ones who also have the social and political clout.When did we stop making fun of people who take high school sports too seriously?
Maybe. Often, it also breeds horrible people.But a lot of people do take it seriously.
And that is not really a bad thing because all this attention does help motivate children to actually do sports.
Not what the bill says. Literally just a doctor's not. A note that doesn't even have to be based on genitals at all.To them, the potential abuse in having an adult able to force a child to expose their genitals is a part of the point.
The Bill Nobody Read said:55 (c) A dispute regarding a student's sex shall be resolved by the student's school or institution by requesting that the student provide a health examination and consent form or other statement signed by the student's personal health care provider which must verify the student's biological sex. The health care provider may verify the student's biological sex as part of a routine sports physical examination by relying only on one or more of the following:
1. The student's reproductive anatomy;
2. The student's genetic makeup; or
3. The student's normal endogenously produced testosterone levels.
There are recreational sports at all ages that are entirely co-ed. The only controversy is specifically women's competitive sports, a designation that exists specifically to allow athletically talented women to not be overshadowed by often less-talented men who were born with a physical advantage. Letting people with that in-born advantage, regardless of gender, participate in specifically competitive women's and girls' sports defeats the purpose.So, basically, trans people don't get to exist publicly.