Force A Teen Girl To Swordfight, Go To Jail
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Meh. There are too many details from this missing to really make a fair desician, but really it sounds like the newspaper trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. It's a pretty unusual situation, but I don't think it's worth reacting that strongly about.
At the gist of this case is the spanking she received. In the Seattle Weekly article it does mention that she was basically spanked by her father accross the buttocks and legs with a switch BEFORE the sword fight. There is actually nothing here even suggesting sexual abuse (despite the images that come to a perverted mind) so it seems to be a pretty straightforward case of discapline. This brings up the bigger issue of one's right to inflict corperal punishment on a child, and the bigger issue of when (if ever) a child becomes too old for such a thing to be appropriate. Spanking/switching a willfull teenager who does something like this is HARDLY a unique situation, though increasingly uncommon and it's own topic of debate.
The outlandish aspects of this, those with the two hour swordfight, took place after the spanking, and it's noteworthy that the girl put on the armor and went out to fight him. It's not like she ran away or anything. From the mother's reaction I'd be lead to believe she was pissed about the spanking and said she was going to kick his ass or something and he gave her a chance to do it, in a somewhat controlled enviroment, and in the process made a point.
This guess... and mind you there are details missing, is largely based around the simple fact that the police response is AFTER this had been going on in the FRONT yard for two hours, and at the report of a friend who got a text message. All comments about the detachment of society, and the whole "Kitty Genevieve complex" aside, one would think that if there was something paticularly vicious going on, and this girl was being mauled by a tree branch this probably would have been reported by the neighbors. Rather there is no report about anyone being concerned about this for *TWO HOURS*.
As far as her having bruises, well yeah, that's to be expected after that kind of thing, but as far as being beaten "by a tree branch" that would be more than bruises if she was actually being assaulted/mauled.
I'm not saying this is a normal situation, but I don't think it's that big a deal either. There are issues here, but not the kind of issues I expect to cause any kind of backlash against groups like SCA enthusiasts or whatever.
Who knows if we'll hear anything else about it, but I'm kind of expecting this is one of those cases that is just going to dwindle away, because while the whole "costumed sword fight" aspect of it makes it stick out, it's really not going to be anything paticularly special.
The $10,000 bail is interesting, but at the same time the media did get their mits on this and started screaming it from the rooftops, which means the authorities have to treat the situation as being something paticualrly special due to public imagination, even if it's not. Under any other circumstances I'd think we've never hear about it, and the whole discussion would be about corperal punishment, and what rights parents have to enforce disapline on children who live under their roof. Did this guy go too far? Honestly, I don't like it, but at the same time this is pretty much a "meh" example since the girl was banged up again and has bruises but wasnt exactly hurt. It's not like cases where you have kids being sent to the hospital every other week with concussions and broken bones which are the real horror stories that causes these issues. I can't really bring myself beyond a mild discomfort/dislike at the worst upon reading this... he spanked her with a switch? OMG stop the presses. Personally I'd rather put the morons who do stuff like burn their kids with cigarettes and leave the marks all up and down their arms waaay ahead of the pack before this guy. Comments about gradual cycles of abuse don't seem to apply here since the girl is already 16... and I mean she DID break the rules in a pretty big way. I might not care for the penelty, but beyond that it's EXACTLY the kind of situation where you'd expect it to come into play, it's not like he did it because she spilled his beer or something.
At the gist of this case is the spanking she received. In the Seattle Weekly article it does mention that she was basically spanked by her father accross the buttocks and legs with a switch BEFORE the sword fight. There is actually nothing here even suggesting sexual abuse (despite the images that come to a perverted mind) so it seems to be a pretty straightforward case of discapline. This brings up the bigger issue of one's right to inflict corperal punishment on a child, and the bigger issue of when (if ever) a child becomes too old for such a thing to be appropriate. Spanking/switching a willfull teenager who does something like this is HARDLY a unique situation, though increasingly uncommon and it's own topic of debate.
The outlandish aspects of this, those with the two hour swordfight, took place after the spanking, and it's noteworthy that the girl put on the armor and went out to fight him. It's not like she ran away or anything. From the mother's reaction I'd be lead to believe she was pissed about the spanking and said she was going to kick his ass or something and he gave her a chance to do it, in a somewhat controlled enviroment, and in the process made a point.
This guess... and mind you there are details missing, is largely based around the simple fact that the police response is AFTER this had been going on in the FRONT yard for two hours, and at the report of a friend who got a text message. All comments about the detachment of society, and the whole "Kitty Genevieve complex" aside, one would think that if there was something paticularly vicious going on, and this girl was being mauled by a tree branch this probably would have been reported by the neighbors. Rather there is no report about anyone being concerned about this for *TWO HOURS*.
As far as her having bruises, well yeah, that's to be expected after that kind of thing, but as far as being beaten "by a tree branch" that would be more than bruises if she was actually being assaulted/mauled.
I'm not saying this is a normal situation, but I don't think it's that big a deal either. There are issues here, but not the kind of issues I expect to cause any kind of backlash against groups like SCA enthusiasts or whatever.
Who knows if we'll hear anything else about it, but I'm kind of expecting this is one of those cases that is just going to dwindle away, because while the whole "costumed sword fight" aspect of it makes it stick out, it's really not going to be anything paticularly special.
The $10,000 bail is interesting, but at the same time the media did get their mits on this and started screaming it from the rooftops, which means the authorities have to treat the situation as being something paticualrly special due to public imagination, even if it's not. Under any other circumstances I'd think we've never hear about it, and the whole discussion would be about corperal punishment, and what rights parents have to enforce disapline on children who live under their roof. Did this guy go too far? Honestly, I don't like it, but at the same time this is pretty much a "meh" example since the girl was banged up again and has bruises but wasnt exactly hurt. It's not like cases where you have kids being sent to the hospital every other week with concussions and broken bones which are the real horror stories that causes these issues. I can't really bring myself beyond a mild discomfort/dislike at the worst upon reading this... he spanked her with a switch? OMG stop the presses. Personally I'd rather put the morons who do stuff like burn their kids with cigarettes and leave the marks all up and down their arms waaay ahead of the pack before this guy. Comments about gradual cycles of abuse don't seem to apply here since the girl is already 16... and I mean she DID break the rules in a pretty big way. I might not care for the penelty, but beyond that it's EXACTLY the kind of situation where you'd expect it to come into play, it's not like he did it because she spilled his beer or something.
I was really hoping this was gonna be a story about a father and daughter having a disagreement and that to settle things they would have an amicable, FAIR, duel. I thought maybe the jail time was gonna come into to play when a neighbor freaked. *sighs* Alas!
I think you could safely pin this incident on the man who beat his step-daughter with a wooden sword. That guy is clearly a dick of his own making and has nothing to with the Ren Fair stuff. If I was that girl I would find every opportunity to not be anywhere near that creep.
One thing is for sure and certain: that girl is going to have one hell of a complex.
I think you could safely pin this incident on the man who beat his step-daughter with a wooden sword. That guy is clearly a dick of his own making and has nothing to with the Ren Fair stuff. If I was that girl I would find every opportunity to not be anywhere near that creep.
One thing is for sure and certain: that girl is going to have one hell of a complex.
it'd be one thing if he was japanese and a faux samurai and wanted to teach her stepdaughter the ways of the samurai through rite of passage in battle with her mentor, like in the movies. that'd be really cool, it's not often you hear a kid go back to school and say "this summer, i learned the ways of the samruai bushido". but this.....this is house of 1,000 corpse's vacation to the renisance fair. i mean, stripped down underpants naked watching tv church? why take her clothes off? the sick bastards!! i really hope she's doing ok.
Good thing he didn't have a faux hammer.
[small]It would have felt like one of those falling on you.[/small]
OT: That's a beating. Not sure if it's legal or not. Shouldn't be, of course. I can understand for a few minutes if the kid's really unruly, but this girl seemed to be innocent, and even if she wasn't, 2 freaking hours is not justifiable. Usually.
[small]It would have felt like one of those falling on you.[/small]
OT: That's a beating. Not sure if it's legal or not. Shouldn't be, of course. I can understand for a few minutes if the kid's really unruly, but this girl seemed to be innocent, and even if she wasn't, 2 freaking hours is not justifiable. Usually.
Silence! This will toughen her up! She needs that. The ORCS spare NO QUARTER!!!insanelich said:
Btw, her parents, what weirdos. And not in a good way. I like odd people, within reason. This... well how can I put it. This was an idea completely out of touch with reality. They should punish their girl for defying them to go to a party, that's a bratty behavior. Acting like children themselves however is no better. What on earth was the mother thinking during all of this?
This is insane, and yes, it's abuse. You know, generally the punishment should fit the crime. Sneaking out late at night does not justify a two hour beating.
Actually crazy can go pretty fucking deep. A few years back a guy named Fritzel was caught for hiding his daughter in the basement for 18 years after raping her and getting her pregnant several times. She had given birth to several kids in the basement. The reason he was caught is that one of the kids had a heart failure and had to go to the hospital.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
After 18 years of this crazy shit living in the same house as his wife and other kids no-one had noticed. No-one who knew him would have suspected him of doing this.
How is a 16 year old girl going to know his father is crazy if a wife and a group of kids can't be sure? You could as well says she was stupid for not beating the fat guy to a pulp. You don't know this girl (I assume) and you don't know how well she knew her father. I have friends who rarely meet one of their parents because of their jobs and interests so every time they talk to that parent it is kinda like talking to a stranger. The world isn't as easy as you make it. Saying the whole family is insane when the mother was charged only because she didn't stop it is also a unfair assumption. She might have been abused in the path and be afraid, you can't know unless you worked on this case and looked in depth. Now I know it's easy to judge people you don't know by reading one article about what happened on the internet, but that doesn't mean you're right.
Agreed, this is not funny. If I were the judge at this guys courtcase he would never be allowed to be within 100 meters of that girl. Beating a child repetatively and then forcing them to strip for any reason is just horrible.LostAlone said:
Okay normally i find these kinda news reports quite funny, like that guy throttling the kid cos of black ops ( http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.315647-Middle-Aged-Gamer-Assaults-Teen-Over-Black-Ops-Beatdown?page=9#12829135 ) but im really struggling to find anything funny in this.. Its just plain old child abuse, and pretty bad abuse too. If the guy had made it like a fair duel for fun, and like grounded her if she lost, or let her off if she won, sure, it would have been quite funny, but it was just a wierd way for him too have more fun beating her...
And the bit about making her strip to her underware? Thats just damn close (if not already) sexual abuse of some kind....
This guy really deserves the jail time....
Prehaps he'll find some guys there who will be more than happy to "duel" him in the showers...
And the bit about making her strip to her underware? Thats just damn close (if not already) sexual abuse of some kind....
This guy really deserves the jail time....
Prehaps he'll find some guys there who will be more than happy to "duel" him in the showers...
Yes, I am loosing faith in humanity. But not because of the story, because of the comments to it. Reading posts like post 3, 4, 10, 11, 13, 22, 23 and 25 and probably countless others after that, I realize:Tank207 said:
THAT is the most empathic, most intelligent, most sensible reply to that story they could come up with. THAT was the best those "dipshit fuckfaces"(TM) could do.
It's ridiculous enough to the point of where it is okay to make fun of it.
A two hour duel? Would have been cooler if the girl had lost and then pouted and demanded to use live steel.
A two hour duel? Would have been cooler if the girl had lost and then pouted and demanded to use live steel.
Both need to be executed. For the good of the world.
Edit - Both the parents, not the father and daughter.
Edit - Both the parents, not the father and daughter.
At first I wondered what the big deal was. I thought it was just something as simple as a pretend sword fight. Now if you're sitting on her back and whacking her repeatidly . . well then that makes a whole lot more sense why they'd get arrested.