Presumably because that gentleman had an obedience problem. An unstoppable army is only a good thing to keep around if you can control it.Caliostro said:
Force Unleashed 2 Is Too Much
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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That's a solid point. I'm all for awesomeness in video games, but if you want your "awesome" scenes to be memorable, it has to be something visceral, something that gets in your head in some way, like it could almost be you doing those things. The Indiana Jones analogy illustrated it perfectly.
It seems to me like the higher-ups at in the games industry have been acting like a bunch of dimbulbs over the past years. Sure, movies have always had a problem with over-sequelization, but it was never so bad as what's been happening to video games. And in the early days of the medium, "indie" movie developers were required to push the envelope of what could be achieved artistically, but eventually - eventually the industry finally grew up and moved on.
Ditto for horrible storytelling. Ditto for over-the-top, unappealing, "oh come on" action scenes. When are these guys going to smarten up and start and spending their hundreds of millions on developing games that are actually enjoyable?
It seems to me like the higher-ups at in the games industry have been acting like a bunch of dimbulbs over the past years. Sure, movies have always had a problem with over-sequelization, but it was never so bad as what's been happening to video games. And in the early days of the medium, "indie" movie developers were required to push the envelope of what could be achieved artistically, but eventually - eventually the industry finally grew up and moved on.
Ditto for horrible storytelling. Ditto for over-the-top, unappealing, "oh come on" action scenes. When are these guys going to smarten up and start and spending their hundreds of millions on developing games that are actually enjoyable?
Yahtzee, I'm sure you're going to be annoyed with me for doing this, but you summed up one of my major disappoints in the prequel Star Wars movies. Return of the Jedi had an awesome space battle in it, along with a great ground battle (I like Ewoks, sorry). So, with technology the way it is now, I was gitty with joy when the prequels were released. I spent many a day wondering how they would make space and ground battles look now.
Instead, like you said, there was too much. Too much debris, too many flashes, too many explosions. I couldn't follow any of it. And, as you also pointed out, because the technology was so costly, the scenes themselves were only two or three seconds or a blinding explosion. Such a let down. So yeah, this even applies to Star Wars, although it's not the only problem with it.
Instead, like you said, there was too much. Too much debris, too many flashes, too many explosions. I couldn't follow any of it. And, as you also pointed out, because the technology was so costly, the scenes themselves were only two or three seconds or a blinding explosion. Such a let down. So yeah, this even applies to Star Wars, although it's not the only problem with it.
Really in the sense of it all, I do agree with Yahtzee that they're trying a weeeee bit too hard to make it 'too awesome'. Kill a Star Destroyer with the will of the force alone? Desintigrating bodies with just the power of the force? Facing a beast that can eat a Rancor because it's ten times bigger than 'em? Really, too much, too much. I ended up looking over all of these, and just kinda got annoyed by it all. Besides, the cloning doesn't make a lick of sense because all the clones....
Kratos on one end, was a God once when he fought with them, became a God after his defeat and gained power through the titans, and gained it again through the use of killing the Gods the next time over. And he had the personality of Marbels. Does that make you hate him? Nooo.he was already like that from the get go, so he's uber awesome.
And reading another post. Yes, i agree, Star Wars is IV, V, VI without shame, and I'll only add like..one small series to it, addition of Mara Jade because despite anything, I like the fact that Luke is a uber power, and gets a redhead...yeah.redhead.
And I like the KOTOR series, though never got the time to play it...boo-hoo-hoo ;.;
EDIT] Oh wow, my first post actually went through. Sorry!
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Kratos on one end, was a God once when he fought with them, became a God after his defeat and gained power through the titans, and gained it again through the use of killing the Gods the next time over. And he had the personality of Marbels. Does that make you hate him? Nooo.he was already like that from the get go, so he's uber awesome.
And reading another post. Yes, i agree, Star Wars is IV, V, VI without shame, and I'll only add like..one small series to it, addition of Mara Jade because despite anything, I like the fact that Luke is a uber power, and gets a redhead...yeah.redhead.
And I like the KOTOR series, though never got the time to play it...boo-hoo-hoo ;.;
EDIT] Oh wow, my first post actually went through. Sorry!
Does this theory work for games based in the future? Look at Mass Effect and its massive Sovereign. Sovereign is a massive alien spaceship/alien himself. How can something like that be based in reality? Or even the citadel, that was a massive and ancient space station that a long, long extinct people built that hasn't been completely destroyed by some cosmic force over the insanely long time it has been around?
Or is it just the fact that people don't know what to expect from the future, so therefore they can accept it because they just don't know that something like this could be built sometime in the future?
Or is it just the fact that people don't know what to expect from the future, so therefore they can accept it because they just don't know that something like this could be built sometime in the future?
Actually, I kind of dread that day because he's still an amateur at game criticism. Almost all of his works are filled with fallacies, even now.Jiveturkey124 said:
The problem with both of these cases is that they don't want to put fear, they want to empower. You're not supposed to be afraid with Kratos because he's a god killer with amazing strength. Plus, he's comparing this to Condemned, which is a Horror game. No duh you're more likely to be afraid. He misses the point of these games. I want to know what gave him the idea that a game where you beat up monsters, gods and titans wanted to instill fear?
So, re-write that part of the genetic code. They did it with Jango Fett... Supposedly several duzen years before that...Eclectic Dreck said:
Also, why not just clone your strongest loyal servant? Like Vader. Vader is extremely loyal to Palpatine. An army of Vaders would rape.
i.e.: "Cloning" became the Deus Ex Machina of Star Wars emergency plots.
Yahtzee makes a solid point once again. It instantly brought the Darth Maul/Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon fight to my mind. I remember thinking how stupid it was for its absurdly over choreographed nature. They looked like they were dancing, not fighting. Luke vs Vader from the original trilogy had so much more emotion and realism behind it and it was all the more interesting for it.
I feel the same way about some game guns.
I'm sorry, your testicle powered thirty barreled lightning shooting shotgun bazooka artillery cannon... thing is cool and all, but I prefer my assault rifle with a scope.
I'm sorry, your testicle powered thirty barreled lightning shooting shotgun bazooka artillery cannon... thing is cool and all, but I prefer my assault rifle with a scope.
if you watched his review of Just Cause 2 and read the Dead Rising 2 extra punctuation you'll see that he REALLY enjoyed just cause 2, so obviously it wasn't too muchMr Companion said:
Just Cause 2 provides a level of spectacle that i find very awesome.
Alright Yahtzee, I hope you realize that I'll be bringing this article up the next time you complain about a game being too realistic.
I also now know that you like Escape from Butcher Bay.
I also now know that you like Escape from Butcher Bay.
I had to look this one up to make sure...
"Gun barrels can only burst by having some obstruction in the barrel or by overloading with powder. Any gun barrel can be burst by misuse or by carelessly loading smokeless powder, but no barrel will burst by using factory loaded ammunition, provided there is no obstruction or foreign substance inside the barrel. When a gun barrel bursts at the breech or chamber, it is caused by an overloaded shell, and when it bursts in the center or near the muzzle, it is caused by some obstruction, such as a dent, snow, water, etc."
"Gun barrels can only burst by having some obstruction in the barrel or by overloading with powder. Any gun barrel can be burst by misuse or by carelessly loading smokeless powder, but no barrel will burst by using factory loaded ammunition, provided there is no obstruction or foreign substance inside the barrel. When a gun barrel bursts at the breech or chamber, it is caused by an overloaded shell, and when it bursts in the center or near the muzzle, it is caused by some obstruction, such as a dent, snow, water, etc."
In the third movie, there are like billions of these small colored explosions.. with no point of origin or any effect on the battlefield whatsoever. Just more s--- to distract the viewer. IIRC On Kassyk they were green and on the other planet they were pink-ish.Sniper Team 4 said:
And the starting space battle have these countless warships just shooting at eachother at spitting range.. in space.. riiight. Looks cool? Yeah. Do i like it? Nope.
I mean, cmon. Why arent they fighting using smart military tactics for a change? The viewer is more than smart enough to understand and appreciate it.
But most battles in the SW films just look like medieval melee battles (with all the confusion and chaos) but with blaster guns, tanks, space ships and lightsabers. Universal maximum weapon range: 150 meters. Universal doctrine: You fight in melee with all and any weapon. Long range shooting and cover is for cowards.
When the power level is just too high, we just cant connect with the hero/story/world anymore. How can you justify that a trooper/door/boss is any problem whatsoever when you can force a billion-ton ship to crash where you want, at will. At that point just give us the "YOu WIN" screen and its over. There is no credible challenge that can meet that kind of power without being a god of some sort.
that actually would have been anakin who would have been the strongest jedi ever -- he was just constantly conflicted and never reached his full potential.cerebus23 said:
luke became the strongest light jedi ever before he died of old age. i believe the strongest sith was exar kun, but i could be wrong on that.
i like to say that nobody hates their fans quite as much as george lucas does.ProtoChimp said:
Hence why I love it when MoH made it about 2-3 different squads, and then endgame wasn't abotu saving the worldJoJoDeathunter said: