Fox News Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art

kouriichi

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I would facepalm, but that doesnt describe my feelings well enough.
*facehammer*

What makes "art" worthy of tax payer money? Your fine with giving someone 200k to splash paint on a piece of expensive paper, but giving someone 200k to create an interactive piece of history that can effect people in a more complex way is out of the question?

I dont even see how the Mona Lisa is art! I have friends that can paint way better then that! ((im not sayind its not art, im just saying it doesnt make sense to me)) What makes people think that some 500 year old oil-painted broad is worth calling art?

Dont get me wrong, i think art is important. But what many people consider "art" is just stupid!

Sure, many video games are not art. They never claimed to be. They never will be. CoD has as much artistic value as the porto-jhon at a Renaissance fair. And nobody will argue otherwise.

But there are games out there that have touched me deeper then any snob gallery at the museum.
Who here played Shadow of the Colossus? Dont tell me it wasnt art! The story itself is complex and enthralling. But when you add the amazing ending to the mixture, you have something that is truly art!
 

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Assassin Xaero said:
Dear other countries in the world, if you get made and decide to attack and invade the United States, please strike Fox News HQ first, then I promise we will try to work out a compromise afterwards...
I'm with this guy! Strike them first and we may have a chance at world peace.
 

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Hi everyone. I'm the guy in the blue shirt that was on this segment. I wanted to say thanks for all the kind words and also share my thoughts on my experience. There's a bigger story here, and I feel like it took this particular story to bring the truth of what mass media does to people to our gaming, internet-connnected culture. Herp Derp Ping Pong: http://gaming.icrontic.com/article/herp-derp-ping-pong/
 

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Perhaps not ping-pong specifically, but does the US government fund Olympic athletes? Certainly other countries do. I would be flabbergasted if China doesn't directly fund table tennis players.

The comparison is doubly non-apt.
 

Uncleblaze

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this kind of mindless shit is the reason i don't trust or watch news on tv. its too bias and too damn censored. screw news channels and their shitty opinions. i want facts not bullshit.
 

KirbyKrackle

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Of course CoD doesn't need taxpayer funding. It does just fine on it's own in the marketplace. The purpose of the NEA is to give taxpayer money to artists and videogames that nobody wants, much less would voluntarily fund with their own money. Considering the kind of profane filth/art that the NEA does support, it is reasonable to imagine that the kind of videogames they would produce would be like the art they finance, e.g., the game mechanic of putting a Crucifix in a jar of urine.

On the plus side, the developers of Duke Nukem Forever can declare their game as "art" and get taxpayer money to fund their operation. That way, they don't have to worry about making a profit in the marketplace. They'll have piles of taxpayer cash to lean on.

Another advantage to giving failed videogamers taxpayer money is it takes them off the unemployment rolls. It's still welfare state spending, but Obama can claim he has reduced unemployment by reclassifying a large segment of unemployed as artists and transferred them from Dept of Labor to the NEA.

Maybe, instead of taking money from taxpayers who worked hard for that money, instead of making crappy videogames that nobody but a government bureaucrat would spend money on, they could watch the "Extra Credits" video series. If they watch the "Graphics vs. Aesthetics" episode, they could make art that people would actually want to buy in the marketplace.
You asked to be proven wrong. Well:

First, you seem to believe that commercial projects can get funding though the NEA ("On the plus side, the developers of Duke Nukem Forever can declare their game as "art" and get taxpayer money to fund their operation."). You are wrong. These projects cannot be commercial and cannot be sold on the marketplace; it's one of the stipulations for the grant. The makers of Duke Nukem, if they received the grant, would then be unable to sell it (hell of a business model you've got there--get a few thousand dollar grant on a multi-million dollar game that you then can't make any money off of. Very clever.).

Second, you think commercial enterprises can receive this funding. You are wrong. it's impossible for commercial enterprises to apply for the grant. NEA grants are only given to registered non-profits.

Third, you claim that "The purpose of the NEA is to give taxpayer money to artists and videogames that nobody wants". You are wrong. Grants given by the NEA go to non-profit organizations that, clearly, want this project completed. The money is given to them so that they can then hire the artist to complete the project.

Fourth, you seem to think that the grants function as some sort of alternative welfare. You are wrong. The grants are given to organizations to hire artists (not to the artists themselves) because the organizations have something they want done but could not fully afford on their own (for example, long-term projects that, in the past few years, require extra funding for a project to make up for an unexpected lack of donations because of the economy's problems, and which would otherwise be left as a half-finished waste of private donations).

Fifth, you seem to be under the amusing misunderstanding that the NEA funds projects that did poorly in the marketplace and require reimbursement (especially that second post of yours). I hope by now you realize you are wrong. Grants are not given for commercial projects. Grants are not given to commercial enterprises. Grants are not given for already finished projects (you apply to grants to receive funding to start a project. And by the way, all of those grants have clear goals and requirements that the applicants must fulfill in order to receive funding).

Sixth, you state that NEA will only be funding "crappy videogames that nobody but a government bureaucrat would spend money on,". This is wrong. NEA grants are not sole donations--they match (key word here), yes, match the funds donated by other people to the organization to complete the project. The project can only receive funds if people outside the NEA are willing to spend money on it.

Seventh, you state that some nebulous "they" should "make art that people would actually want to buy in the marketplace," again with you labouring under the misapprehension of the goals of the NEA (that it's supposed to support works that failed on the makertplace). You are wrong. NEA supports works that are never intended for the marketplace, but instead serve the public good as a project needed by a non-profit organization (for example, making a video game that will help educate children at a local museum). Working to please the marketplace is the opposite of the NEA's goals, as well it should be. The NEA funding allows public access to creating and experience art and creates a greater diversity of art (since it allows art to be made for goals other than making money). If you are concerned about the development of video games, this can be particularly useful (besides acting as a handy stamp of approval for video games) because it can allow greater innovation in the art form (as opposed to the commercial model, in which playing it safe and doing the same thing over and over is practically a requirement).

Honestly, if you'd spent 30 seconds on Google or, heck, actually reading this forum, you would already know this.
 

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im from england so have never lived inside america's bubble, only looked in. so does anyone take anything they say seriously? or at least anyone with a family tree that only moves down and not sideways and back up
 

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Just a thought, to all those who dismiss any possibility that games could be art, what about any art that has an interactive element, are they all now not art and just toys?

There again, usually those who'd dismiss an entire medium's artistic possibilities, are the type who think unless it's a painting and at least 200 years old, it can't be art.

In my defence,I do think a lot of 'modern art' is awful, but that makes it bad art (imo) , doesn't make it not art.

In a way this reminds me of the AV 'no' campaign - they went with a picture of a baby in a hospital ventilator with the slogan 'this baby needs a ventilator, not an alternative voting system. Yes, yes, it does, and A) it has one, I can see it. B) it's too young to vote. and C) how do we choose between killing babies or killing soldiers by not funding the bulletproof vests in the other ad you ran? oh and D) the money you claim was both a lie and had already been spent.

I guess where I was going before I meandered is should we cancel everything non essential and let our spirits, minds, and souls die, to lower taxes?

It seems a vast majority of people would close all schools, hospitals , libraries, art galleries, museums, etc to save some tax money. Fuck that, I don't want to live in a world where libraries and art are less important to humanity than ammo.

Yes tax money will be spent on creating artistic things that have no commercially profitable value, that's WHY they need tax money, if we leave art to capitalism we end up with America's got Talent.
 

SenseOfTumour

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On a different subject, isn't the gaming industry a HUGE creator of tax money for the government, I'm sure the few million bucks they drop on some artistic endeavours, they got back from one days sales of Black Ops, the very game they were trying to pin this shit on.

I have no figures and no facts, but I maintain I'm more credible a news source than Fox, so I'll state that the US goverment is definately gaining more tax money from gaming than they're losing thru the NEA.
 

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Racecarlock said:
Wow. I totally did not see this coming! *Sarcasm sphere self test complete*
But you can't say Fox didn't give both men an equal chance to voice their opinions.
 

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Fox News isn't relevant to anything anyway so who cares. Everyone with a functional brain knows not to bother.
 

FaithorFire

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This is the kind of forum that makes me ashamed to be a part of this site. The hatred and poison from the members here over Fox is nauseating.