From Software is Having Trouble Porting Dark Souls

[RoyalWelsh]

Well...at least they are honest about it. Still, if they are having real trouble porting it then hire some people/studio who knows how to do it.

 

[Rainforce]

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

As a proper PC gamer, I'm always first when it comes to entitlement, whining and joining the band wagon hate, don't get me wrong on that part.
But I have no clue about how bad/good dark souls runs on the PS/Xbox and how bad the lag really is. So it might just as well turn out ok on a proper machine, you know

 

[Baresark]

They were already going to be insanely hard pressed to meet the august deadline just porting the damn thing over, but then came the outcry about GFWL basically forcing them to redo the net code...yea it wasn't absolutely doomed from the get go.

Well they have no one to blame but themselves for that. Thay really should have known how horrible that thing is. I'd rather have the Flame virus on my computer than that abomination.

OT: Well this is sad, I guess they just don't want to make many sales on the PC. Most people won't put up with a game that barely works, and it will almost certainly be that way, at least far worse than the console versions. Then again, maybe that's the point; make a shit port, so when their next game comes out and people want a PC version they can point to Dark Souls and claim that there's no money in PC games. That way they don't have to do as much work.

There is no way they could have "known" it was that bad. They don't develop for the PC. How could they know. They are also a Japanese company, the PC market is nonexistent in Japan. I think you are being a bit dramatic by saying you would rather have a virus than GFWL. And if that is the truth, your priorities need to be rearranged.

They have not released any statements saying it will be worse than the console version, so I don't know where you are getting your information. They literally said it will be the same as the console version. There is even a chance that it will be better since it is running on much more powerful hardware.

I do love the conspiracy theory bit at the end though. They want it to fail so no one will bother them anymore. That made me lol.

Yeah, I wasn't being very serious with that last part, though if it turns out this game has all the stability and performance of a Bethesda game, it will not surprise me even slightly. And I'm certainly not taking their word for it that it will work just as well as the console versions; I've seen companies lie way too many time to believe them, not to mention the inumerable times the PC versions were pathetic cash grabs that only worked if you define "work" as loosely as possible. One example is Saints Row 2, but just look up porting disasters at tvtropes for a much bigger list.

Haha, I never played the PC version, but Saints Row 2 is the gold standard of bad ports. And lets be honest with ourselves. The only reason they decided to do a PC version was because of the number of signatures on that petition. I hope they recoup their cost of porting it, but I can hardly blame anyone for not being all that happy with it. Since I'm expecting it will run about the same as the PS3 version, I'll gladly trade my PS3 version of the game in for it, but I'm gonna wait to see if it does that first.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Yes they're inexperienced but at least they're trying. While we're on the topic of bugs and glitches, how's Skyrim and Fallout: New Vegas treating you?

lmao, i love you for this :3

OT: they admitted it'll be buggy, takes stones to admit your work will be flawed on release, unlike SOME company's RPGs that constantly come out buggy and unplayable in some cases, and never say a word about it.

so I'll still get it, finances willing.

 

[joeman098]

I really like how they came out and said this. I mean developing for the PC is not an easy task, Almost every computer has a different hardware configuration. Im looking forward to this and if it is price reasonably around maybe 20 25$ i will def be picking it up.

 

[Baresark]

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

As a proper PC gamer, I'm always first when it comes to entitlement and whining, don't get me wrong on that part.
But I have no clue about how bad/good dark souls runs on the PS/Xbox and how bad the lag really is. So it might just as well turn out ok on a proper machine, you know

In some areas, the frame rates took a dramatic dive. For instance, the much maligned Blighttown would drop to the single digits. That area had so much going on though, I think it won't be bad on the PC. It was a massive indoor area lit almost exclusively by torches. It had a massive pool of red swamp water at the bottom. You descended to the bottoms over a massive series of wooden scaffolding. And you could see just about everything. In all honestly, it was way way way beyond anything the consoles were built to handle. I think that area will turn out much better on the PC. Or at least, I hope it will.

 

[Callate]

Well, that's kind of refreshingly honest, I guess... I almost feel bad that I'm probably not going to get it. (Not because of this. Just because I'm not a big fan of the "bang head against wall, check wall for blood, repeat" style of gameplay.)

 

[Rainforce]

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

As a proper PC gamer, I'm always first when it comes to entitlement and whining, don't get me wrong on that part.
But I have no clue about how bad/good dark souls runs on the PS/Xbox and how bad the lag really is. So it might just as well turn out ok on a proper machine, you know

In some areas, the frame rates took a dramatic dive. For instance, the much maligned Blighttown would drop to the single digits. That area had so much going on though, I think it won't be bad on the PC. It was a massive indoor area lit almost exclusively by torches. It had a massive pool of red swamp water at the bottom. You descended to the bottoms over a massive series of wooden scaffolding. And you could see just about everything. In all honestly, it was way way way beyond anything the consoles were built to handle. I think that area will turn out much better on the PC. Or at least, I hope it will.

sounds good enough to me

 

[Mudkipith]

There's going to be voice chat; I'm buying it anyways.

 

[Cybylt]

*6 months later*

"...And also, we will not be doing a PC version of Darker Souls, due to piracy and low sales."

Reading the comments here its more likely "Darker Souls" won't happen on PC because of an incredibly picky consumer base that's hugely overreacting to issues that didn't stop about a million people from enjoying the hell out of this incredible game.

Really, this covers it perfectly.

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

From isn't a big company, they work on maybe two projects at the same time and regularly jump from publisher to publisher for their sales outside of japan because they don't have the money to do it themselves. There's no way they could possibly afford a third party clean up job from someone with more experience, and if anything From doing it themselves is a good thing assuming the whiners don't make up the majority of the market and wreck its sales. With them gaining experience developing for PC it means any potential title in the future will be that much better on it.

Seriously, this is the PC crowd's chance at an amazing series(and with modding could be even better for its PVP and balancing with different mechanics) and it sounds like they're more than willing to throw it away just because every little thing isn't perfectly catered to them from the get go.

 

[kabooz18]

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

are you drunk or have you simply not thought about it?
for example
if you buy a chair and that chair is broken or somewhat unusable or sometimes even if it has only scratches you return it and get your money back. you ARE entitled to a functioning product for you money it's even set in laws of many countries

WHY should that not be the same for software?

you are entitled to a working product doing for what it was intended if the game crashes often it's broken. yeah you CAN play it for a while but that is irrelevant, compare it to a car if a car crashes every few kilometers or miles it's most definitely BROKEN!!!

the fact that console gamers don't enforce stuff like working games at not stuttering framerates is just their leniency that does not mean they don't have the right to it.

and it also does not mean they have the right to expect acceptance for these flaws everywhere


PS: it's not elitist it's called common sense

 

[mindlesspuppet]

This thread is hilarious.

I read over it twice, and the majority of the posts seem to be supportive of From. None-the-less the scattered whinny, angst filled, rager posts are just so obnoxious they somehow take over the entire thing.

 

[DaHero]

So instead of doing the right thing and fixing these problems through experimentation and taking the time to learn everything they can about how to port, they're just going to cram it in and hope we're going to praise them for making a game we can barely play?

I was supporting them until they decided to skip the actual porting and just cut straight to "how to make it work on PC for dummies: for dummies."

If I ever did that kind of stuff in a paper, my English teacher would have thrown it out of his office.

 

[Joseph Alexander]

ok heres some facts, From isn't a very big company they may not EVEN HAVE the money to get outside help.
you petitioned for this, if sales bomb its very likely From won't bother porting the next souls game to PC and never look back.

here is what it comes down to: do you want to make it worthwhile for From to invest in porting their games to the PC platform?
if so buy the fuck out of the PC version and shine From with a shit-eating grin.

 

[Lucem712]

PC Gamers: "We're tired of getting the shitty ports. But let's ***** at developers to get them anyway."
Developers: "Okay, here comes game that you all wanted. Due to us being a mainly console creator we have little experience in porting for PC. There may be some bugs."
PC Gamers: "Fuck you, you suck. We're tired of getting the shitty version."

Did you guys want the game or not? When consoles get a port of a PC game we always get the dumbed down shitty version too. STFU please.

What's wrong with the PC community showing console devs there is a market for them to come into? As a linux user I know all about sending e-mails, posting comments and showing support to companies like Valve (and so on) to make sure they know that we are out there.

Sure, we complain when games like Limbo are released under WINE instead of native code; but as long as it works, we deal with it because something is better than nothin'.

 

[The Wykydtron]

So the frame rate issues on the console version are going to be carried over the PC as well? Ok? Did you expect anything else?

Ports are generally subpar anyway and since From ain't worked with the PC much before then wtf do you want them to do?

I hate to call everyone complaining about this whiny bastards... But you really sound like whiny bastards at this point.

"Oh yay a PC port!"

"Booooo GFWL, switch to something less sucky!"

"What? A company who has never really worked with the PC before can't pull off the best PC port avaliable? Fuck this, uninstall my life."

Anyway, the frame rate issues weren't that bad... Until you hit Blighttown then ohhhhhhh shit you can't even move the camera. DX

This could even be a moot point once it comes out, it might be all sunshine, rainbows, sprinkles and the fucking Bell Gargoyles!

 

[teh_Canape]

How often do games ported to PC end up better in the first place?

not often enough, sadly =P

 

[VoldiRightThurr]

While it's unfortunate that the framerate/bugs aren't being patched for PC (actually there aren't any bugs from the console version that stick out in my mind and haven't been patched already), I think this is kind of being blown out of proportion a little bit.

From the sounds of things, the PC version is going to run more or less exactly as it does on consoles, which is to say pretty damn good. I suspect that the people who say the lag is terrible have systems that are starting to wear down.

For my part, I have it on both 360 and PS3 and have only really experienced notable lag in one area, Blight Town, when multiple enemies are on screen and there're lots of effects happening. Even in these moments the game was still very playable.

I can't blame you if you're upset and wont buy it because its not being patched, but for those of you who wanted to play the game but couldn't because you didn't have the required system, I don't think this should dissuade you. You're getting the game.

It was great on consoles, and it sounds like it'll be great on here too. Plus added content.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

Oh this is so rich.

People wanted a port, and now they are all whining over it, because it will have performance issues...

What the hell did you people expect? It is a PORT! Ports are by default, bad (with only a few exceptions).

This truly made my day. Get a console instead of crying over this.

PC Gamers: "We're tired of getting the shitty ports. But let's ***** at developers to get them anyway."
Developers: "Okay, here comes game that you all wanted. Due to us being a mainly console creator we have little experience in porting for PC. There may be some bugs."
PC Gamers: "Fuck you, you suck. We're tired of getting the shitty version."

Did you guys want the game or not? When consoles get a port of a PC game we always get the dumbed down shitty version too. STFU please.

Except 90% of the posts have been positive/supportive. But I guess if you need to be on your high horse, go ahead.

I'm getting it day one. Like most people said, mods are a thing.

I've seen a ton of people on other sites saying they're not getting it now, saying no 60 FPS = no sale.

I expect there will be yet ANOTHER petition by the end of the day.

 

[Frostbite3789]

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Then those people are idiots. When something is ported to the PC, what I look for is for it to be as good as the console version. I don't consider it a shoddy port if it contains the same bugs, but if it's rife with new ones and vast problems from shoddy port work, then I have a problem.

Would it be neat if they fixed the problems? Sure. But they're also adding extra content at no extra cost. And bringing to PC at all. And after my experiences with Diablo 3 (a game made by a dedicated PC gaming developer) I really don't think I can be that frustrated by the release of this.

Also I will pray every night for people who pirate this to get kicked right in the balls by an NFL kicker.