From Software is Having Trouble Porting Dark Souls

[kabooz18]

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

are you drunk or have you simply not thought about it?
for example
if you buy a chair and that chair is broken or somewhat unusable or sometimes even if it has only scratches you return it and get your money back. you ARE entitled to a functioning product for you money it's even set in laws of many countries

WHY should that not be the same for software?

you are entitled to a working product doing for what it was intended if the game crashes often it's broken. yeah you CAN play it for a while but that is irrelevant, compare it to a car if a car crashes every few kilometers or miles it's most definitely BROKEN!!!

the fact that console gamers don't enforce stuff like working games at not stuttering framerates is just their leniency that does not mean they don't have the right to it.

and it also does not mean they have the right to expect acceptance for these flaws everywhere


PS: it's not elitist it's called common sense

 

[mindlesspuppet]

This thread is hilarious.

I read over it twice, and the majority of the posts seem to be supportive of From. None-the-less the scattered whinny, angst filled, rager posts are just so obnoxious they somehow take over the entire thing.

 

[DaHero]

So instead of doing the right thing and fixing these problems through experimentation and taking the time to learn everything they can about how to port, they're just going to cram it in and hope we're going to praise them for making a game we can barely play?

I was supporting them until they decided to skip the actual porting and just cut straight to "how to make it work on PC for dummies: for dummies."

If I ever did that kind of stuff in a paper, my English teacher would have thrown it out of his office.

 

[Joseph Alexander]

ok heres some facts, From isn't a very big company they may not EVEN HAVE the money to get outside help.
you petitioned for this, if sales bomb its very likely From won't bother porting the next souls game to PC and never look back.

here is what it comes down to: do you want to make it worthwhile for From to invest in porting their games to the PC platform?
if so buy the fuck out of the PC version and shine From with a shit-eating grin.

 

[Lucem712]

PC Gamers: "We're tired of getting the shitty ports. But let's ***** at developers to get them anyway."
Developers: "Okay, here comes game that you all wanted. Due to us being a mainly console creator we have little experience in porting for PC. There may be some bugs."
PC Gamers: "Fuck you, you suck. We're tired of getting the shitty version."

Did you guys want the game or not? When consoles get a port of a PC game we always get the dumbed down shitty version too. STFU please.

What's wrong with the PC community showing console devs there is a market for them to come into? As a linux user I know all about sending e-mails, posting comments and showing support to companies like Valve (and so on) to make sure they know that we are out there.

Sure, we complain when games like Limbo are released under WINE instead of native code; but as long as it works, we deal with it because something is better than nothin'.

 

[The Wykydtron]

So the frame rate issues on the console version are going to be carried over the PC as well? Ok? Did you expect anything else?

Ports are generally subpar anyway and since From ain't worked with the PC much before then wtf do you want them to do?

I hate to call everyone complaining about this whiny bastards... But you really sound like whiny bastards at this point.

"Oh yay a PC port!"

"Booooo GFWL, switch to something less sucky!"

"What? A company who has never really worked with the PC before can't pull off the best PC port avaliable? Fuck this, uninstall my life."

Anyway, the frame rate issues weren't that bad... Until you hit Blighttown then ohhhhhhh shit you can't even move the camera. DX

This could even be a moot point once it comes out, it might be all sunshine, rainbows, sprinkles and the fucking Bell Gargoyles!

 

[teh_Canape]

How often do games ported to PC end up better in the first place?

not often enough, sadly =P

 

[VoldiRightThurr]

While it's unfortunate that the framerate/bugs aren't being patched for PC (actually there aren't any bugs from the console version that stick out in my mind and haven't been patched already), I think this is kind of being blown out of proportion a little bit.

From the sounds of things, the PC version is going to run more or less exactly as it does on consoles, which is to say pretty damn good. I suspect that the people who say the lag is terrible have systems that are starting to wear down.

For my part, I have it on both 360 and PS3 and have only really experienced notable lag in one area, Blight Town, when multiple enemies are on screen and there're lots of effects happening. Even in these moments the game was still very playable.

I can't blame you if you're upset and wont buy it because its not being patched, but for those of you who wanted to play the game but couldn't because you didn't have the required system, I don't think this should dissuade you. You're getting the game.

It was great on consoles, and it sounds like it'll be great on here too. Plus added content.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

Oh this is so rich.

People wanted a port, and now they are all whining over it, because it will have performance issues...

What the hell did you people expect? It is a PORT! Ports are by default, bad (with only a few exceptions).

This truly made my day. Get a console instead of crying over this.

PC Gamers: "We're tired of getting the shitty ports. But let's ***** at developers to get them anyway."
Developers: "Okay, here comes game that you all wanted. Due to us being a mainly console creator we have little experience in porting for PC. There may be some bugs."
PC Gamers: "Fuck you, you suck. We're tired of getting the shitty version."

Did you guys want the game or not? When consoles get a port of a PC game we always get the dumbed down shitty version too. STFU please.

Except 90% of the posts have been positive/supportive. But I guess if you need to be on your high horse, go ahead.

I'm getting it day one. Like most people said, mods are a thing.

I've seen a ton of people on other sites saying they're not getting it now, saying no 60 FPS = no sale.

I expect there will be yet ANOTHER petition by the end of the day.

 

[Frostbite3789]

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Then those people are idiots. When something is ported to the PC, what I look for is for it to be as good as the console version. I don't consider it a shoddy port if it contains the same bugs, but if it's rife with new ones and vast problems from shoddy port work, then I have a problem.

Would it be neat if they fixed the problems? Sure. But they're also adding extra content at no extra cost. And bringing to PC at all. And after my experiences with Diablo 3 (a game made by a dedicated PC gaming developer) I really don't think I can be that frustrated by the release of this.

Also I will pray every night for people who pirate this to get kicked right in the balls by an NFL kicker.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

Swallow your pride and get help guys

Swallow your pride and throw your money away?

Why does it matter that it's got the same bugs as the console version? That was never that buggy. They are doing the best they can, they can't afford to spend a lot of time or money on this, and we should just be grateful they are doing it at all.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

So instead of doing the right thing and fixing these problems through experimentation and taking the time to learn everything they can about how to port, they're just going to cram it in and hope we're going to praise them for making a game we can barely play?

I was supporting them until they decided to skip the actual porting and just cut straight to "how to make it work on PC for dummies: for dummies."

If I ever did that kind of stuff in a paper, my English teacher would have thrown it out of his office.

People demanded a port. They have been honest and said they don't really know what they are doing. They could have just kept tight lipped and distracted people with free extra content. From are a great company, but they are only small, they can't afford to spend too much time or money on this, and they probably won't even make a lot of money on it. It's most likely just because people asked for it, and it would be a good way to test the waters for future releases. And they said that the original bugs will be there, not that it will be an unplayable pile of shit as you are automatically assuming it will be.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Yes they're inexperienced but at least they're trying. While we're on the topic of bugs and glitches, how's Skyrim and Fallout: New Vegas treating you?

lmao, i love you for this :3

OT: they admitted it'll be buggy, takes stones to admit your work will be flawed on release, unlike SOME company's RPGs that constantly come out buggy and unplayable in some cases, and never say a word about it.

so I'll still get it, finances willing.

Thank you, but the thing that really gets me is that From Software is really untested. They're small, usually ho themselves out to producers, and have never done a PC port but are trying their best. Bethesda on the other hand is like a drunken inbred fuckwit who people absolutely love. Their products may be unplayable, crash often, and corrupt your save data but damn they're great. THIS IS WHAT I DON"T GET! An untested developer got enough signatures and so they're trying, but the moment they admit problems people are ready to burn them to the ground; no 60 FPS = no sale and tons of other bullshit. Meanwhile the people probably bought the newest Bethesda title on launch day. Burn the new guy who hasn't even released a product while praising the fat inbred slob who can't fix stuff without fucking something else up.

yeah :/ i don't get the love for Bethesda ether, for pretty much all the reasons you mentioned (and a few you didn't). between the game breaking and not so game breaking bugs, and boring everything else it confounds me their still around, or at the very least not getting flamed like they should be.

ether way, I'm willing to give From Software the benefit of the doubt, they admitted it's harder then they though, they admitted it'll have issues, they are being HONEST about they're work. this gets lots of 'good will points' in my book.

 

[Woodsey]

Why not delay it or bring in outside team who are experienced with porting? The extra cost will be made up for in good will on subsequent releases.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

are you drunk or have you simply not thought about it?
for example
if you buy a chair and that chair is broken or somewhat unusable or sometimes even if it has only scratches you return it and get your money back. you ARE entitled to a functioning product for you money it's even set in laws of many countries

WHY should that not be the same for software?

you are entitled to a working product doing for what it was intended if the game crashes often it's broken. yeah you CAN play it for a while but that is irrelevant, compare it to a car if a car crashes every few kilometers or miles it's most definitely BROKEN!!!

the fact that console gamers don't enforce stuff like working games at not stuttering framerates is just their leniency that does not mean they don't have the right to it.

and it also does not mean they have the right to expect acceptance for these flaws everywhere


PS: it's not elitist it's called common sense

The game is fine. The framerate only dropped in one area a little bit anyway. The game's flaws are being greatly exaggerated because people are panicking. I don't see how console players have lax standards. Bethesda is welcomed by all communities, after all.

 

[Terramax]

That's not a good decision on their part. PC gamers can be VERY picky about performance (I should know, that's how I am) and are not going to be happy with a poorly-ported game that has issues, whatever the game's pedigree.

People are overexaggering (shame on you escapist). None of the so called 'bugs' are game breaking. At least not from what I've seen, and I've sunk a fair few hours into the game.

Sure, there's frame rate issues SOMETIMES but nothing that breaks the game.

Also, From Software are not a heavy weight company. Most of their games are very niche. Anyone expecting a perfect port is just stupid.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

In some areas, the frame rates took a dramatic dive. For instance, the much maligned Blighttown would drop to the single digits. That area had so much going on though, I think it won't be bad on the PC. It was a massive indoor area lit almost exclusively by torches. It had a massive pool of red swamp water at the bottom. You descended to the bottoms over a massive series of wooden scaffolding. And you could see just about everything. In all honestly, it was way way way beyond anything the consoles were built to handle. I think that area will turn out much better on the PC. Or at least, I hope it will.

sounds good enough to me

Also, keep in mind that he's exaggerating when he says the frame rate drops to single digits. Blight Town would get to more like 20 fps. A noticable dip, sure, but still more than playable.