Frostbite 2 engine and Dragon Age 3

[Arina Love]

Well face lift and engine will probably allow them to do more with environments and armours. Well provided they will hire decent people instead of retarded-monkeys for armour design team.

Seriously DA franchise have one of the worst looking armours i have seen in games and lazy too, super rare armour have exactly same skin as cheap one but in different colour, how lazy is that?
I think they might not realise that getting cool looking armour is one of the carrots on stick that make people (or at least me) play game longer and think about getting DLC.

Frostbite will be good for environments too! IF they can actually bother designing the dungeons!

and now for weird part: if they cut out lesbians i will rage hard! DA is basically synonymous with gay sex.

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Frostbite is an EA gaming engine used for FPS games like the Battlefield series. Only one 3rd person shooter has been created on this engine, the Army of Two sequel (out in 2013). I have NO experience with Battlefield or AoT.

Is this a good thing for DA3 or something to be concerned about?

EA has been moving Bioware further away from their RPG origins and with what happened with ME3, I'm worried this is another nail in the coffin of the Bioware I knew and loved.

Would love to hear your thoughts...

Wait! When did they say they were using the Frostbite 2 engine for DA3? Is this just speculation or did I miss something?

Anyway, it's probably a pretty flexible engine if they can make FPS, TPS and RTS games on it. I'm sure they could pull an RPG off.

 

[AndrewF022]

I think this is a good thing, one of only a few issues I had with Origins was the engine, she wasn't the prettiest one going around, it did the job I guess, but won no awards in my book for quality visuals.

DA2 wasn't too bad once you got the High Res texture pack, DX11 on and maxed the settings, but in the end it was still just a modified DA:O engine..

So yes, bring on Frostbite 2 for DA3. it's done FPS, Racing and now RTS.. so I say, it's time for the RPGs! Hopefully it gets used for more than three dungeons and one city this time though, that helps your cause haha.

 

[Yopaz]

So does this mean DA3 will be a FPS? Anyone??

Did you seriously asked this question or are you just trolling?

With EA that might be plausible

I hate to pull this on you guys, but....


Using a graphics engine does not mean that gameplay changes. It should only look pretty. Mass Effect kept using the Unreal 3 engine. I don't see much people complaining about that.

Too true, Half-Life 2 and Super Smash Bros. Brawl were made with variations of the same engine. The gameplay probably couldn't be much different.

Not sure about the game itself, but at least the Frostbite 2 engine could really help the looks of it. Sadly that's not all that matters...

 

[RicoADF]

Frostbite is an EA gaming engine used for FPS games like the Battlefield series. Only one 3rd person shooter has been created on this engine, the Army of Two sequel (out in 2013). I have NO experience with Battlefield or AoT.

Is this a good thing for DA3 or something to be concerned about?

EA has been moving Bioware further away from their RPG origins and with what happened with ME3, I'm worried this is another nail in the coffin of the Bioware I knew and loved.

Would love to hear your thoughts...

It's also going to be used for the next C&C game, so add RTS to the list as well.
To be honest I'm very skeptical, their trying to do everything with one engine rather than have engines that are optimised for specific game types. It's a great FPS engine, but it's currently unproven in the other fields (although third person probably wouldn't be an issue).

 

[Hazy992]

It's also going to be used for the next C&C game, so add RTS to the list as well.
To be honest I'm very skeptical, their trying to do everything with one engine rather than have engines that are optimised for specific game types. It's a great FPS engine, but it's currently unproven in the other fields (although third person probably wouldn't be an issue).

Hey if Valve can get so much mileage out of the Source Engine I don't see why the Frostbite engine can't be optimised for an RPG.

Speaking of Source, Valve really need a new engine. Source is really showing its age.

Spoiler: Flame shield up!

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Horray! The next Dragon Age will have good graphics!

Any word on whether it will have more than one dungeon?

 

[DionysusSnoopy]

Um, a question for you, Dragon Age fans. Does DA 1 and 2 have any kind of relation at all, or the series has nothing to do with each other (Like, say, Final Fantasy?).

If the latter, then I am willing to give this series a second chance. If the former... Well I dont give a crap about Story/Characters so I will see.

Kind of a mix i believe they are related but only by small cross overs of supporting characters appearing in the other games Alistair and Leliana (+otherrs) both appear in DA2 from DA:O and your choices can affect the next game world. On the otherside it appears as if each story is based around different characters and protagonist, I heard rumors DA3 is based in Orlais so it is also kind of independent from each other.

I think they may be trying to show multiple stories weaved together to shape the change in the world unlike ME when it was just Shepards story changing the universe.

 

[RustlessPotato]

So does this mean DA3 will be a FPS? Anyone??

Totally.

Expect epic MP with loads of perks and unlocks.

Campaign will be five hours, one hour spent romancing any member of your squad you choose.

That actually does sound interesting to me!

No, really. Then again its partially because of my bias, but still.


ANYWAYS, I like this change. Maybe I will finally like a Dragon AGE game then!

Yeah. EA is really pulling out all the big guns on this one.

They also have lots of DLC planned, half of it day one DLC so you don't have to wait for more DLC.

I am indifferent to DLC. It dosnt bothers me personally. But sometimes its just NOT worth it. Depends on the game...


Um, a question for you, Dragon Age fans. Does DA 1 and 2 have any kind of relation at all, or the series has nothing to do with each other (Like, say, Final Fantasy?).

If the latter, then I am willing to give this series a second chance. If the former... Well I dont give a crap about Story/Characters so I will see.

Well, the only thing Dragon Age 1 and 2 has in common is the setting it is placed in. A few characters from DA Origin appear in the second game but that's about it. I do think the third game will have more in common with the second game, seeing as the second game was mostly an introduction story towards the third.

 

[Baron_Rouge]

Well, Battlefield 3 was certainly pretty, and Dragon Age could definitely use a graphical improvement, so this sounds good to me.

 

[Scrustle]

I haven't really had much personal experience with the Frostbite 2 engine but from what I've seen it look amazing with Battlefield 3. It was also used with Need for Speed The Run, which in my opinion didn't look great. The cars looked like they were made out of clay. But that could just be Black Box's ineptitude showing itself yet again. Conversely, since DICE made Frostbtite 2 I'm sure they know how to make the most of it.

I don't think a graphics engine really has much impact on whether a game of a given genre will be any good or not. It's more the physics engine that does that. For example you would be stupid to use the Assassin's Creed engine to make something like a snowboarding game. That didn't stop them trying though. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_white_snowboarding] But the point is that different physics engines have different specialities in terms of what tasks they can perform. Graphics engines only do that in relation to visuals. It doesn't have anything to do with gameplay or style of gameplay; i.e., genre.

Dragon Age 3 will not suddenly be filled with nothing except people with crossbows and QTEs because it's using Frostbite. That's silly. The visual style and fidelity of the games may change somewhat (probably for the better) but the graphics engine means pretty much nothing when it comes to gameplay. The reason the game is using the engine is because EA is trying to put it in every game it can because it wants to advertise what a great engine it is, even though of course it was DICE's expertise that built it, not EA's.

 

[Richardplex]

Normally I could care less about graphics - apart from crawling through vents, I didn't see a problem with Deus Ex's graphics - but the Crystal and Frostbite 2 engine are the exceptions. Kind of excited to see the FB2 engine being used for an RPG. Also DA3 has a development time over 1.5 years, so there's that.

 

[NLS]

It's all up to the developers and how they use and modify the Frostbite engine. But we will probably see some nice environments and landscapes at least. If no, EA will just get a small team from DICE to give them some work on that, as with NFS: Hot Pursuit.
As for ho they'l fuck up on the stories or gameplay, that's totally up to Bioware and not the engine, so we'l have to wait and see what they'll bring to the table.

 

[Scrustle]

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NFS HP didn't use Frostbite. It used Criterion's proprietary engine, Chameleon. The Run used Frostbite.

 

[Artic Xiongmao]

Too true, Half-Life 2 and Super Smash Bros. Brawl were made with variations of the same engine. The gameplay probably couldn't be much different.

Not sure about the game itself, but at least the Frostbite 2 engine could really help the looks of it. Sadly that's not all that matters...

Yopaz, Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Half-Life 2 don't share a graphical engine. They both have Havok, a physics engine used by many other games too; the FEAR games, Age of Empires 3, The Force Unleashed (this used other Physics engines alongside Havok), Guild Wars 2, the Assassin's Creed series, Sleeping Dogs, L.A. Noire, Oblivion & Skyrim, the Halo series, BioShock, Resident Evil 5, Uncharted 2 & 3, The Witcher 2... and literally hundreds of other games. It's sort of the standard Physics Engine now, even if it was new and shiny when Valve used it for HL2.

In other words, Super Smash Bros. Browl doesn't use Valve's Source Engine. Quite obviously.

And, on topic, yes, the fact that DA3 will use Frostbite 2 does not mean it will be an FPS. Duh. This is good news too, since DA1&2 didn't look too good. This time at least it will look 'pweeety'. Now let's see how the game actually is.

 

[NLS]

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NFS HP didn't use Frostbite. It used Criterion's proprietary engine, Chameleon. The Run used Frostbite.

Yeah I know Frostbite was used in The Run and not Hot Pursuit. But DICE did some work on the landscape scenery in Hot Pursuit, since they've got a good history of making awesome big landscapes with their BF games.

 

[Poopster]

Frostbite 2 is also known for its destructible environments.
So DA3 with destructible environments is a big plus for me.
They just have to do it right.

also


hehehe

 

[aguspal]

I don't know what the Frostbite engine is, so it's weird seeing people make a fuss about it. RPGs have never really been about graphics, either, so it's also weird seeing people make a fuss about it for that reason too.

What's so weird about it ? Didn't you know modern RPG fans can't get immersed into the game without full voice acting and da shiny 3-d graphics ?

No, they dont really NEED those...


But they do help, and have a role. Especially, this coming from someone who didnt liked the first Dragon Age (to say it in a soft way...), That game simply had NO FUCKING SOUL AT ALL. I cant really describe it, it just was all brown, no colors, linear levels (And people say cod is bad, this thing was A LOT worse IMO), No/barely music at all, too freaking quiet, No emotion, NO NOTHING... Just borderdoom. I am not saying it needs an epic soundtrack with retarded overdone explosions and whatnot, but godammit, playing Dragon age 1 to me was like trying to have fun with some partypooper; I wanted to have fun but apparently the game didnt let me have a fucking chance. Its like the game didnt even TRIED. Sort of like, say, Minecraft, except that at least that game has the virtue of begin a free open world sandbox and crap.

Say what you want about stuff like COD, or Skyrim even, but those games, at least TRIED to have some kind of emotion on them, despiste the fact that sometimes it might be over the top, fail completly, or just plain wrong, they freaking TRIED at least!

Maybe Frostbite will be able to fix all, most, or heck even SOME of those issues, I might just give this series a 2nd chance.

 

[SajuukKhar]

The destination is part of the journey. The one that defines what you feel and think when you leave, the part that is the most fresh on your mind, that leaves the mark. The climax of the story. You're trivializing it. If anything, it's fine if the beginning is bad, as long as it gets better, assuming people are still following by then.

The beging is what hooks poeple into it, if the begingin is bad then people usually wont bother staying for the rest.

If the ending is bad people can go "oh well at least the ENTIRE rest of everything that came before it rocked so ehh"

 

[SajuukKhar]

The first Dragon Age was born out of a desire to develop an RPG similar to the Infinity Engine games of old and it succeeded because it was created for the purposes of making a great game, not earning a quick buck. Dragon Age 2, and by extension 3, are games made with the sole purpose of making money.

They weren't created by developers and writers with an actual passion for making videogames who actually had great ideas that they wanted to put into video game format. They're what I call "assembly line games" and frankly, if you buy games made by EA you are literally the fucking devil and the entire reason gaming has gone to shit lately.

I'm sorry but, that's entirely incorrect.

No game has ever been made for any other reason but to make money, dragon Age Origins was made not out of some altruistic desire to return to the days of old, but because EA and Bioware felt like there was a large enough fan desire for a game like it that they could make money.

Reality has proved you wrong. But hey, who cares about facts...

And yet.... I know plenty of people, both on here, and on other furors, that didn't let the ending get to them.

But... who cares about facts?