Frostbite 2 engine and Dragon Age 3

[Lazy]

All I can really say is that it'll probably look very pretty and, with any luck, maybe the new engine will allow them to make something a bit more organic than Bioware's previous games.

 

[jehk]

Meh. Probably means no modding support again. That was a big reason why DA:O was such a hit with me.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Actually, he's pretty bang on.

Dragon Age Origins took the best part of six years to develop. It was the game that Bioware wanted to spend the most time on, and put the most care into. Compared to Mass Effect, Origins was an absolute monster in terms of time and money resources. Very few other games have had six year development cycles. But, for all the game's flaws, that development time did show in the ridiculously large amount of choice you were able to have.

Dragon Age 2 was made in about a year and a half. And it shows. Going from a six year development cycle to a quarter of that for the sequel is never a good sign. All that talk about Bioware wanting to force players to play as a human, and to play in a smaller area, is a smokescreen to cover the fact that DAII had nowhere near the dev time that Origins did, and was severely limited in comparison.

It also made a lot less money than Origins. The first game's sales were in the region of 5-6 million. DAII only barely cleared 2 million. If EA and Bioware wanted to make more money, they went the wrong way about it.

And they only spent that time on it because they thought they would make the money back.

Again, making games comes down to what it always has, money.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You're arguing objectivity on a matter almost entirely subjective...GG humanity.

In all seriousness, i'd prefer a bad beginning to a bad ending, You can say "It's the journey not the destination" all you like, but you forget one tiny but important detail in that train of thought: Without the destination, there is no journey to begin with. I'm sorry, the beginning may pull people in, but a good beginning can't carry a story the same way a good ending can, it just can't.

I could argue the reverse with equal strength.

Without a good beginning the entire following journey has no real clear or meaningful reason for existing.

 

[GiantRaven]

No game has ever been made for any other reason but to make money

What about games that are released for free?

 

[SajuukKhar]

What about games that are released for free?

Games that are rleased for free either
1. Have some cash shop, so they make money via that
2. Are designed to get a person noticed by a big company so they an get hired there, and make money.

the ultimate goal of getting money is achieved through free games also.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Most, not all. Your generalization is invalid.

Can you provide an example of a game that was released for free were the creator didn't have one of those two things in mind originally?

Just because neither one of those things happened later, does not mean the original intent wasn't there.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Almost everything on Newgrounds.

You really cant know if those were made original to get the eye of some company, they failed, and thus they released it on newground because why let effort go to waste.

Your "Guilty until proven otherwise" attitude does you no credit, by the way.

If people are innocent they should be able to prove they are.

 

[mad825]

Just great.

Last time they modified the engine in any way they fucked-up the gameplay and didn't really focus on the story/plot.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Hey, can't be any worse than their choice of engine for ToR...

Hero engine blows.

I'm so glad ESO was only using it for very early testing and ditched it afterwards.

 

[Zeraki]

if you buy games made by EA you are literally the fucking devil and the entire reason gaming has gone to shit lately.

Oh for the love of all that is good a decent! Just a tad bit over dramatic there aren't we?


OT

Is this a moddable engine? I know Dragon Age 2 was kind of light on the mods which was kind of a bummer.

 

[redisforever]

Frostbite 2 isn't an FPS engine. It was made for Battlefield 3, yeah, but what Bioware will be using from it has nothing to do with gameplay.

Indeed. It's even being used for that new C&C game I'll never consider buying.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Indeed. It's even being used for that new C&C game I'll never consider buying.

When did they start making C&C games again?

I could of sworn they stopped making them after C&C Red Alert 2 Yuri's revenge.

 

[redisforever]

Indeed. It's even being used for that new C&C game I'll never consider buying.

When did they start making C&C games again?

I could of sworn they stopped making them after C&C Red Alert 2 Yuri's revenge.

Hey, Renegade was fucking awesome.

Speaking of, looks like it's time to reinstall RA2 again.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Boy you have no idea.

My mate who is doing support for SWTOR is saying that 90% of the actual technical issues they have with that game is because of the Hero engine.

At one point during development they had the original creators of the engine in as consultation, but at that point they had to modify it so much that they couldn't recognize.

As my friend said "If they paid anything for licencing that, then they got ripped off".

Well at least I know that If ESO sucks, which it probably will, it wont be because of the hero engine.

Hey, Renegade was fucking awesome.

Speaking of, looks like it's time to reinstall RA2 again.

Renegade was after Yuri's Revenge?

Could have sworn it was before... oh well... ok then when did they start making C&C games after Renegade?

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well it may get prettier, but that was never a problem with DA(except on consoles).
Also a new engine means your team needs to redo the mechanics/assets and they might not come out the same, plus the time they spend on migration is time away from production... the benefits are purely cosmetic, downsides however go across the board.

But hey I don't expect them to get anywhere near Baldur's Gate or even Origins for that matter, the main guy on DA left saying the company is FUBAR after all.

 

[TheRookie8]

RPGs should be more about the journey, not the destination.

Seriously, just give us both! Make it a fun journey and end it tastefully! Is that so hard?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Is that so hard?

No, it isn't.

 

[spartandude]

doesnt make a difference imo what engine they use

Unreal 3 engine had good games and bad games, it had well polished games and buggy games. the engine doesnt determine its quality at all

really what theyve done with this is going "hey look at this engine that we made a pretty game with, now its in this game" hoping people will assume that because the engine had a good game this one will be good aswell

 

[Templarixx]

I am extremely excited about DA 3 because it is supposed to have co-op, but this just helps to add excitement.