"Full" Nudity in Movies?

[Viiag]

Uh, I think you kind of missed the point, but then I might have not made it very well. I'm not particularly gung-ho for pointless nudity (see Watchmen for example), I'm gung-ho for a higher caliber of film. What I'm saying is that most movies this year have been so bad that pointless nudity doesn't do anything to make it worse than it already was.

That said, I think full nudity is nothing to shy away from. Western society in general and the United States in particular are far to hung up about the morality of the human body. I don't believe in censorship just because someone's sensibilities might be offended. We're all people and there isn't anything inherently wrong or dirty about a nude human, male or female. I think it should be perfectly acceptable for full nudity in a movie, but unremarkable because it shouldn't be taboo in the first place.

That is where you are wrong. The nudity in Watchmen served a very dedicated point, and one in which I am glad they made. From the comic itself Dr. Manhattan is entirely nude. It's dedicated purpose is to show that Dr. Manhattan does not operate within the realm of social taboos appropriate to his cultural climate. Whether that is simply because he's out of touch with humanity, or whether its because he's seen the light and realized how ridiculous it all is, I'll leave up to individual interpretation. Yet it is not senseless.

What I will agree with is that I'm surprised the film didn't get an NC-17 rating. The violence in my mind fell within the category of "Ultra-violence" coupled with the nudity and the strong subject matter (rape scene in particular); all of that together I thought would've earned it a NC-17 rating.

I'm glad it didn't. The US is far too hung up on "protecting" its people from "moral degradation" and hasn't allowed the majority of its citizenship to really, and freely take the opportunity to do that without being falling in the category of people looking for smut or riding at the extremes. Part of film making is to expose people to things they may never interact with on a daily basis and connect with them on an emotional level to convey the film maker's perspective on the subject, as well as give them an opportunity to evaluate that for themselves.

Just because some puritans and bible-thumpers take offense to what frankly is an omnipresent fact of existence, doesn't mean that we need to "shelter" our kids and adults from it... frankly who didn't play a game of "I'll show you mine, if you show me yours" in grade school.

 

[Aardvark Soup]

If you really want full nudity in a movie, just watch a Dutch film. Unfortunately full nudity is not always limited to the kind of people you'd want to see naked...

 

[Harbinger_]

If sex or nudity is the main selling point for a movie it's not a good movie it's a pornography or a glorified one at that.
If a rating system is to be taken seriously at all than gratuitous nudity should not be a factor on it to raise it's score.
By the way Melancholy_Ocelot, I am a christian and to be honest if a children's movie or a children's TV show had sexual glands being shown on it I would be pretty irate but a movie of a higher maturity level, something children should not be subjected to in the first place I wouldn't be irate.

 

[Harbinger_]

Additional Point: Video Games that advertise nudity or sex as a selling feature such as Mass Effect or Grand Theft Auto as well as Dating Sim games.

 

[ZonerZ]

... but this isnt porn because this is with famous actors and actresses in good movies

Funniest thing I've seen all day.

Not sure if I'm buying the "it's not porn cause their famous" thing.

Well I mean Jenna Haze and the other porn stars are famous but I'm talking about acting talent, not see how many ping pong balls you can shove up your "you know what"

Collector's Ping-Pong Ball Display?

Additional Point: Video Games that advertise nudity or sex as a selling feature such as Mass Effect or Grand Theft Auto as well as Dating Sim games.

I wish Mass Effect was never created for just that reason. It's dumbing down the gamer cultural pool. Imagine a forum filled with ZonerZs...scary.

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

When is America going to accept that sex and nudity are not offensive material?

At least, they shouldn't be compared to 90% of everything else you see in movies that isn't offensive.

 

[lukey94]

Remember that mohamed cartoon? There would be a call to arms across the nation.

Wasn't that South Park :S

I have no problem with Nudity in movies at all

The thing I hate is when it's almost on-screen, but the camera quickly pans away

 

[jthm]

Uh, I think you kind of missed the point, but then I might have not made it very well. I'm not particularly gung-ho for pointless nudity (see Watchmen for example), I'm gung-ho for a higher caliber of film. What I'm saying is that most movies this year have been so bad that pointless nudity doesn't do anything to make it worse than it already was.

That said, I think full nudity is nothing to shy away from. Western society in general and the United States in particular are far to hung up about the morality of the human body. I don't believe in censorship just because someone's sensibilities might be offended. We're all people and there isn't anything inherently wrong or dirty about a nude human, male or female. I think it should be perfectly acceptable for full nudity in a movie, but unremarkable because it shouldn't be taboo in the first place.

That is where you are wrong. The nudity in Watchmen served a very dedicated point, and one in which I am glad they made. From the comic itself Dr. Manhattan is entirely nude. It's dedicated purpose is to show that Dr. Manhattan does not operate within the realm of social taboos appropriate to his cultural climate. Whether that is simply because he's out of touch with humanity, or whether its because he's seen the light and realized how ridiculous it all is, I'll leave up to individual interpretation. Yet it is not senseless.

What I will agree with is that I'm surprised the film didn't get an NC-17 rating. The violence in my mind fell within the category of "Ultra-violence" coupled with the nudity and the strong subject matter (rape scene in particular); all of that together I thought would've earned it a NC-17 rating.

I'm glad it didn't. The US is far too hung up on "protecting" its people from "moral degradation" and hasn't allowed the majority of its citizenship to really, and freely take the opportunity to do that without being falling in the category of people looking for smut or riding at the extremes. Part of film making is to expose people to things they may never interact with on a daily basis and connect with them on an emotional level to convey the film maker's perspective on the subject, as well as give them an opportunity to evaluate that for themselves.

Just because some puritans and bible-thumpers take offense to what frankly is an omnipresent fact of existence, doesn't mean that we need to "shelter" our kids and adults from it... frankly who didn't play a game of "I'll show you mine, if you show me yours" in grade school.

No no! I'm not talking about Dr. Manhattan's cock, I was glad that got left in (I read Watchmen years ago and loved it). I'm talking about the sex scene between Nite Owl and Silk Spectre. That wasn't in the book, it was just implied as they floated in the owlship. I felt it was time that would've been better spent with Hollis Mason's murder the subsequent horrible beating of the Top Knots.

Honestly though I felt that movie was a backhanded slap to audiences. It says "we here in hollywood think so little of you that we aren't going to present the story as she was written, we're going to add extra sex and violence that never happened so as to keep your squirrel attention spans interested while we dumb it down for you." They took it from a story about deeply flawed people who happened to be super heroes and made it another comic book hero movie.

 

[Matronadena]

if it's realistic to life, and the situation that's being represented... and actually fits into the story being told, it's fine..

even a comedy that may have a shot of a random streaker or flasher can be fine granted they don't spend too long on the gag or repeat it to the point it becomes stale.


but the bigger picture of it comes to the matter of personal aesthetics, where does one draw the line between art, and eroticism, and finally over to full on porn. for some people the lines are in very subtle shades of grey, for others just showing good cleavage can be over the top.

 

[Screamarie]

I don't really care if it is in there or not. The context arguement is a good one and I agree. My only problem is the double standard where they will show full frontal of a woman, but the guy you're lucky to see a pec. Now I'm not some perv that HAS to see the guy, but I would like a little equality, either have the balls to show them both or don't show it at all. And guys, just so you know, just like you don't want to see actors in frontal, girls don't necessarily wanna see actresses frontal. We know what it looks like.

 

[NeverAiling]

I disagree with male full-frontal nudity. I don't care what women do, but full-frontal male nudity disrespects, commercializes, and devalues men.

Do I look at porn on teh interwebs? Yes. Sometimes. But I feel bad about it.

There are movies out there that show the whole monty. Have I ever seen one?

No. Because a group of strangers should not be able to sit side by side in a room and watch men strip themselves before the world.

There's something incredibly wrong with the world whenever we do that.

 

[Noone From Nowhere]

I don't have the slightest problem with 'full nudity' in movies. On the contrary, I have a problem with characters wearing clothing when they have no need to do so, such as people living prior to the time when whatever 'prophet' first got his underpants (which he probably just invented and desperately wanted to sell a few copies of)in a twist over people not wearing them and non-human characters. Sure, I'll bite that sapience can evolve again, maybe right here on Earth, but if the non-humans wear clothes without having had a human teach them body-shame then you lost me.

 

[Kryson]

I disagree with male full-frontal nudity. I don't care what women do, but full-frontal male nudity disrespects, commercializes, and devalues men.

Do I look at porn on teh interwebs? Yes. Sometimes. But I feel bad about it.

There are movies out there that show the whole monty. Have I ever seen one?

No. Because a group of strangers should not be able to sit side by side in a room and watch men strip themselves before the world.

There's something incredibly wrong with the world whenever we do that.

Hypocrite much?

 

[Yog Sothoth]

I have heard lots of comments from people I know and I'm passing the question to you guys Should directors show "full" nudity from both actors and actresses.

And would you watch movies with them in it, and also you need to be 18 or older to watch it (thats the catch) but this isnt porn because this is with famous actors and actresses in good movies

Only Motion Pictures as examples. NO TV series like HBO, SHOW TIME, and so on....;...

So, I take it you haven't seen Watchmen yet...?

 

[NeverAiling]

Hey I might be a hypocrite, only 50% so. And at least I'm honest.

I will never watch watchmen. Like I said, no public wangs for me. Blue, glowing wangs or not, not in public. I will admit to being a weak, hypocritical man. But I draw the line at public nudity.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Hey I might be a hypocrite, only 50% so. And at least I'm honest.

I will never watch watchmen. Like I said, no public wangs for me. Blue, glowing wangs or not, not in public. I will admit to being a weak, hypocritical man. But I draw the line at public nudity.

Your loss... probably has to be one of the most tasteful examples of full frontal male nudity I've seen in a mainstream film....

EDIT: To be clear, I was in fact posing that question to the OP.....

 

[NeverAiling]

I realized that before I posted, but the response stands. I'm sorry I'm hyper-posting here, I'll give it a breather after that.

I just wanted to say: Yes. It is my loss. I, a man, am devalued, when manhood, the only manhood, the manhood we all share, is devalued.

There's no 2 kinds of naked men. When one of us bares it all, we all become a little more naked. You can enjoy that. But I don't. And I will always resent other people's power to know me despite any dignity on my part.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

I realized that before I posted, but the response stands. I'm sorry I'm hyper-posting here, I'll give it a breather after that.

I just wanted to say: Yes. It is my loss. I, a man, am devalued, when manhood, the only manhood, the manhood we all share, is devalued.

There's no 2 kinds of naked men. When one of us bares it all, we all become a little more naked. You can enjoy that. But I don't. And I will always resent other people's power to know me despite any dignity on my part.

So how do you feel about female nudity in films then? Is that ok? It's just that your statements sound a little one sided, and I want to give you a chance to clarify yourself before you get lynched flamed....

 

[Darkeagle6]

I'm amazed at how almost every poster immediately associated full nudity with sexuality.

As has been said earlier in this topic, you see full nudity from time to time in European films. It's not always sexual; they simply don't seem to have the same attitude towards nudity. If you ask me, their perspective seems far less negative.

Also, people need to grow up and see what an actual nude human body looks like. Step out of your fantasy world, where the only people allowed to be naked are of the opposite sex and have "perfect bodies".