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All Piers had to do was call Hitler and Stalin losers, which both are. Hitler lost, and Stalin's Modern Russia is a frozen husk. But he had to keep saying you're edgy, and that isn't good. By the way, the personal attacks don't work. He's prepared for them, and his audience consists of many men who are similar.
 

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Boyboy's will be boyboys. (Though glad to hear thrm articulate the power dynamic between the west - America especially but also others like in their case Australia - and their neocolonial outpost in the middle east with a brevity I wish I had).
 

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The UK and US have such a special relationship


“Both parties have failed to hold the public’s trust. People are done with the status quo and ready to break things.”

How very convenient. Please crawl up your own ass and die.
 

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...so you acknowledge they do give protection. Contrary to what you said before.



And yet, people who don't have colleagues, or live alone, or don't spend hours with sick people, get colds all the time too.



It has been demonstrated time and again that there is no point in presenting evidence to you.

You routinely post doggerel with no evidence whatsoever-- "vaccines don't protect anyone", "colds don't transmit through routine contact", "lockdowns killed loads more people", "vaccines are dangerous". Zero basis. And yet here, you demand evidence for anyone who disputes your outlandish statements, even though we both know you'd never accept any given.



Nope. Countless countries locked down without halting immunisation or essential nutritional programs. There's a reason your source deals only with a handful of countries in asia.



No, you didn't merely say that. You've retreated to that now because your original statement was so indefensible.

But anyway, i don't need to argue. We can turn to your favourite figure Paul Offit, can't we, who encouraged kids in wealthy countries to get vaccinated.
It's not due to anything specific the vaccine does. Your circulating antibodies and immune system on higher alert is what yields immunity. The flu vaccine would protect you from covid for the same length of time as the covid vaccine. It was said the covid vaccine STOPS covid, it does not... that was and still is misinformation.

No they don't, my mom is over 70 and hardly gets a cold because she doesn't go out and do anything.

I've said all the time that the covid vaccine protects against severe infection (not normal infection), colds don't normally spread through limited contact with strangers in public places, all cost-benefits analyses on lockdowns say otherwise (you have no evidence yet again), and I never said vaccines are dangerous.

Wealthy nations stopped vaccination aid to other countries...

Never said that.
 

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It's not due to anything specific the vaccine does. Your circulating antibodies and immune system on higher alert is what yields immunity.
This is how vaccines work.

The flu vaccine would protect you from covid for the same length of time as the covid vaccine. It was said the covid vaccine STOPS covid, it does not... that was and still is misinformation.
So you've acknowledged it does convey protection. Contrary to what you said before.

No they don't, my mom is over 70 and hardly gets a cold because she doesn't go out and do anything.
A very nice single anecdote you have there. But people do routinely get colds when they don't work, or live alone.

I've said all the time that the covid vaccine protects against severe infection (not normal infection), colds don't normally spread through limited contact with strangers in public places, all cost-benefits analyses on lockdowns say otherwise (you have no evidence yet again)
All shit you've deployed with zero evidence. Yet when i dispute it, suddenly your evidentiary standard kicks in-- even though you never accept (or even engage with) anything you're given.

and I never said vaccines are dangerous.
You harped on about the negligible incidence of myocarditis for fucking ages.

Wealthy nations stopped vaccination aid to other countries...
Another irrelevance to our discussion. Nobody here supports the halting of immunisation/nutritional programs, and lockdowns demonstrably do not require such programs to shut.

Never said that.
Who never said what? Its so difficult to match your scattershot, disorganised posts to the sections they're responding to.

If you mean Offit didn't say that, you're categorically wrong. He said kids in wealthy countries should get vaccinated. To be honest, the real Paul Offit would be appalled at the kind of anti-medical, anti-vax bullshit you spread around.
 

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While there is always a reason to be annoyed about the US abusing their power to benefit big industry, i also have heard that the USs age verification thing is a huge mess creating immense privacy concern and also pushes AI. But maybe our resident Brits can tell us more about OSA.
 
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While there is always a reason to be anoywd about the US abusing their power to benefit big industry, i also have heard that the USs age verification thing is a huge mess creating immense privacy concern and also pushes AI. But maybe our rsident Brits can tell us more about OSA.
The age verification thing in the OSA is a shitshow.

Normally, when a lot of people talk about deregulation, it's bad because they usually mean removing regulations that protect us from being screwed over by companies. But it's funny how that deregulatory zeal disappears here, when they've make a regulation that helps companies screw us. The Tories foisted this clusterfuck on us, and Labour have decided to keep it.

1) Firstly, there are already websites closing down over it, because the mere threat of legal action has put them off.
2) Age verification checks which are also secure, reliable, etc. are time-consuming to develop and maintain, so will probably end up outsourced. This industry will inevitably be dominated by large firms - if Google et al. don't make their own, they'll buy out whatever small independents make them. So this is just another way to force everyone to pay Big Tech lots of money.
3) Age verification checks mean personal data. This just means even more piles of your personal data stored on the servers of companies that will exploit it for cash (and no benefit to you) and get hacked by criminals and foreign intelligence agencies. It's a privacy shitshow.
4) Think the OSA is bad? Well, then you support paedophiles. By which I mean it doesn't matter what your view on paedophilia is, if you want to come out and call the OSA a crock of shit for all the ways it is a crock of shit, someone who wants it is going to tell everyone it's because you support paedophiles.
 
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In the ceaselessly entertaining subgenre of bodycam footage 'cops arresting DUi cops' there's been a colourful wrinkle popping up lately, yes you read it right, it's fake cops pulling over real cops then getting arrested by real cops lmao

The narration is intentionally dry, as heads up for ppl wanting I dunno some sort of looney tunes over-sensationalised voice performance, you ain't getting nowt but the most suicidal dopamine-barren shit from me i'm afraid
 

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This is how vaccines work.



So you've acknowledged it does convey protection. Contrary to what you said before.



A very nice single anecdote you have there. But people do routinely get colds when they don't work, or live alone.



All shit you've deployed with zero evidence. Yet when i dispute it, suddenly your evidentiary standard kicks in-- even though you never accept (or even engage with) anything you're given.



You harped on about the negligible incidence of myocarditis for fucking ages.



Another irrelevance to our discussion. Nobody here supports the halting of immunisation/nutritional programs, and lockdowns demonstrably do not require such programs to shut.



Who never said what? Its so difficult to match your scattershot, disorganised posts to the sections they're responding to.

If you mean Offit didn't say that, you're categorically wrong. He said kids in wealthy countries should get vaccinated. To be honest, the real Paul Offit would be appalled at the kind of anti-medical, anti-vax bullshit you spread around.
That is not how vaccines that protect against infections like measles/rubella work.

Contrary to what the experts said, covid vaccine does not protect against infections.

I wouldn't even say a normal person routinely gets colds, 2-4 times a year isn't routine.

Uhh... the world vaccinated against covid and that didn't stop the spread. Literally proves the vaccine doesn't provide protection from infection.

The cost-benefit analysis for certain groups for the covid vaccine did provide more harm than benefit.

But that is literally what happened because of the shutdowns...Idealized versions of what you want to happen rarely do happen. You have to look at what will actually happen vs what you think would be the perfect idealized version of what you think will happen.

"I didn't say vaccination on the whole provides negligible benefits. I said specifically covid vaccination for kids provides negligible benefits."
 

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That is not how vaccines that protect against infections like measles/rubella work.
Yes, it is. They prompt the body's immune system to create antibodies and t-cells. "Your body and immune system on higher alert"-- this is the same principle as the immunity conveyed by prior infection (but much safer), and by the covid vaccine.

Contrary to what the experts said, covid vaccine does not protect against infections.
This is contrary to what you've posted yourself.

I wouldn't even say a normal person routinely gets colds, 2-4 times a year isn't routine.
Ok, i don't much care what language you'd choose to use. Its more frequent than any comparable disease, by far. Its far, far too common to be transmitted solely by extended, intimate contact. There is zero scientific debate about this; you're just ignorant of the very basics.

Uhh... the world vaccinated against covid and that didn't stop the spread. Literally proves the vaccine doesn't provide protection from infection.
"A measure didn't completely arrest the spread of the virus, therefore it has no effect".

Oh! So we can conclude that any medicine that hasn't eradicated a disease from the face of the planet doesn't work, then?

Grow up.

The cost-benefit analysis for certain groups for the covid vaccine did provide more harm than benefit.
Show them, then. Let's see them.

But that is literally what happened because of the shutdowns...Idealized versions of what you want to happen rarely do happen.
its literally what happened... in a handful of east Asian countries. Elsewhere, in the majority of countries, lockdowns happened without having to halt essential nutritional and immunisation programmes.

"I didn't say vaccination on the whole provides negligible benefits. I said specifically covid vaccination for kids provides negligible benefits."
Yep, in direct contradiction of Paul Offit.
 

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Good gods. Its years after covid and we're still dealing with people that stress that not letting covid run rampant was the REAL problem. If there's a zombie apocalypse we're all doomed.
 

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Yes, it is. They prompt the body's immune system to create antibodies and t-cells. "Your body and immune system on higher alert"-- this is the same principle as the immunity conveyed by prior infection (but much safer), and by the covid vaccine.



This is contrary to what you've posted yourself.



Ok, i don't much care what language you'd choose to use. Its more frequent than any comparable disease, by far. Its far, far too common to be transmitted solely by extended, intimate contact. There is zero scientific debate about this; you're just ignorant of the very basics.



"A measure didn't completely arrest the spread of the virus, therefore it has no effect".

Oh! So we can conclude that any medicine that hasn't eradicated a disease from the face of the planet doesn't work, then?

Grow up.



Show them, then. Let's see them.



its literally what happened... in a handful of east Asian countries. Elsewhere, in the majority of countries, lockdowns happened without having to halt essential nutritional and immunisation programmes.



Yep, in direct contradiction of Paul Offit.
You can't stop covid transmissions/infections because of the nature of the virus
Paul Offit: Chickenpox has a relative long incubation period disease, as is measles, as is mumps, as is rubella, so German measles. So when you get infected with those viruses, you generally have memory B and T-cells that are lifelong and that’s enough for you to be protected even against mild disease because there’s plenty of time for activation and differentiation of those memory B-cells or memory T-cells even to protect you against mild disease. That’s why you can eliminate long incubation period diseases from the face of the earth. I mean, smallpox has a long incubation period disease. Rinderpest, which is a sorta like cow measles has been eliminated from the face of the earth because it’s a long incubation period disease. And we eliminated measles from this country by 2000, it came back because a critical percentage of parents chose not to vaccinate their children. We eliminated rubella from this country in 2005, it hasn’t come back. So you can do that. You’re not gonna do that with this virus. This virus will continue to circulate and cause mild disease, even if a hundred percent of the world were vaccinated and even if it never mutated coming out of China, it would still circulate and cause mild illness and in some severe illness.

No, it's not. Also, literally what Paul Offit said.

If colds transmitted as simply by being next to a sick person in line at the grocery store, you'd get more than 2-4 colds a year. I'm betting you always interact with a sick person in the fall/winter/spring when you buy groceries. Funny how you don't randomly get sick out of the blue and get sick when friends/family/co-workers are sick.

I've always said the covid vaccine protects against severe disease (for a long time for most normal people). It doesn't effect transmission or getting infected. You don't read what people say. Telling people to start masking again or getting covid boosters was idiotic. The vaccine is great but just doesn't/can't do what the measles vaccine does and that should be fine. You act like anything that is said against the vaccine or any vaccine is anti-vax.
Again, Paul Offit: I think what happened was six months later when say there was an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts, thousands of men get together, celebrate the July 4th holiday, there’s about 79% or 80% were vaccinated. But nonetheless, there’s an outbreak. And of the 346 men who got sick, four were hospitalized, a hospitalization of one point rate of 1.2%, that’s a win. That’s great. But the other 342 men had mild or asymptomatic infection, which the CDC unfortunately labeled as breakthrough illnesses and that was a mistake. Breakthrough implies failure, that wasn’t a failure. That was a moment actually to celebrate the vaccine, to celebrate how amazing it was working here with this outbreak in this basically close space or close together community in Provincetown, and we didn’t do that, we did the opposite of that, the opposite. And so the term breakthrough was born, and I remember just a few days after that was reported, Brett Kavanaugh, Supreme Court Justice gets an asymptomatic infection. If you watch the way that was carried on national television, you would’ve thought he was in the intensive care unit. So we didn’t communicate that well.

Already did years ago. Nobody here was able to find a cost-benefit analysis that said kids needed the vaccine. If you're forcing someone/some group to get some intervention, you have to prove the intervention provides overall benefit and community benefit. That was not done, that is not how you do science. The people claiming things have to prove their claims, not the other way around.

The rich countries that could lockdown are the countries that provide aid to poorer countries. The poor countries need rich countries to help with nutrition and immunization programs during normal times like now, let alone during a pandemic. Rich countries shutdown, halted non-essential programs like aid to other countries, and those other countries suffered. It was hilarious even here, just traveling in the US for work, we would get emails saying such and such place (that we were traveling to) was red and try to not travel there. You think we were sending people to foreign countries in the middle of the covid pandemic when we were being told not to even travel in the US?

Most kids already had covid before their vaccine was even available, the vaccine then literally provides no benefit.


Good gods. Its years after covid and we're still dealing with people that stress that not letting covid run rampant was the REAL problem. If there's a zombie apocalypse we're all doomed.
Nope, all you guys hear in your ends is extremes. Nobody legitimate was advocating to not do anything and to let covid run rampant.
 

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Good gods. Its years after covid and we're still dealing with people that stress that not letting covid run rampant was the REAL problem. If there's a zombie apocalypse we're all doomed.
Well, yes.

There are all sorts of interesting lessons to learn from Covid. I have hopes that experts will be able to process a lot of the data and come up with good analyses to guide future practice.

But we have to understand that the chumps spouting at the moment (including the fuckwads currently running the US healthcare and health research systems) have pretty much fuck all useful to say because they're still fighting a five-year old political argument on behalf of their stupid orange emperor.
 

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There are all sorts of interesting lessons to learn from Covid. I have hopes that experts will be able to process a lot of the data and come up with good analyses to guide future practice.
Funny that if we literally just did that for covid and utilized lessons from past pandemics, the response would've been far better than the joke of a response that was the US and most Western countries.
 

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Oof, oh poor ole Benny Shapps has been falling off a cliff lately, more than I initially assumed. Thought and prayers


Candace soon too, she burned bright but she burned fast


Well, yes.

There are all sorts of interesting lessons to learn from Covid. I have hopes that experts will be able to process a lot of the data and come up with good analyses to guide future practice.

But we have to understand that the chumps spouting at the moment (including the fuckwads currently running the US healthcare and health research systems) have pretty much fuck all useful to say because they're still fighting a five-year old political argument on behalf of their stupid orange emperor.
Am less concerned about the uselessness than I am about the spiraling extremities of influence. The monopolisation of news and information brokers is now being done so brazenly in front of the public's than ever before, along with the growing financial incentives for budding conmen (they've lost their claim to the "artist" half of that long ago IMO) proudly advertised by Musk n co. It's way past the stealthy tactics of Alfred Hugenberg now, or the incessant Murdoch empire making sure the only affordable news in working class areas is that which divides them. Being as accurately informed as possible is all well and good but if it doesn't affect change in politics, media and the mainstream public understanding then a lot more has to be done to try circumventing these highly funded data blockades by any means. We are barrelling towards that dreaded free marketplace of realities with seemingly no brakes and no escape.
 
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