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Oof, oh poor ole Benny Shapps has been falling off a cliff lately, more than I initially assumed. Thought and prayers
If that guy is your entirely reason for believing something, you probably shouldn't be volunteering your opinion like this.
 

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If that guy is your entirely reason for believing something, you probably shouldn't be volunteering your opinion like this.
If you assume everyone forms their entire belief system from a single person in a video you see them share, you're going to only keep making yourself look silly by continuously self-reporting like this.
 

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If you assume everyone forms their entire belief system from a single person in a video you see them share, you're going to only keep making yourself look silly by continuously self-reporting like this.
You did more than share a video. You also wrote words. The words indicated surprise at how much he was "falling off". One can only presume that the video then linked is what surprised you and convinced you he was "falling off".

For what it's worth, that guy in the video is worthless. Ben Shapiro has been taking and repudiating questions like that for like a decade. Every public figure that takes open audience questions deals with people like that, politicians from basically any nation and any political party that hold unvetted town hall style events get that sort of thing all the time. It's not evidence of any sort of political change or movement or shift in popularity, it is a societal constant.
 

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You can't stop covid transmissions/infections because of the nature of the virus
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You’re not gonna do that with this virus. This virus will continue to circulate and cause mild disease, even if a hundred percent of the world were vaccinated and even if it never mutated coming out of China, it would still circulate and cause mild illness and in some severe illness.
You have either misunderstood what Paul Offit is writing here, or you've not recognised the difference between what he's saying and what you said.

Paul Offit is speaking here on a national level. He is stating that covid cannot be eradicated from the country by vaccination programs, due to its short incubation period and the time-limitations of vaccination. This is categorically not the same as saying the vaccine gives no protection.

If colds transmitted as simply by being next to a sick person in line at the grocery store, you'd get more than 2-4 colds a year. I'm betting you always interact with a sick person in the fall/winter/spring when you buy groceries. Funny how you don't randomly get sick out of the blue and get sick when friends/family/co-workers are sick.
But people do get colds pretty much every winter. The idea that "you'd get more than 2-4 colds a year" is just your pure speculation; it's groundless.

I've always said the covid vaccine protects against severe disease (for a long time for most normal people). It doesn't effect transmission or getting infected. You don't read what people say.
You don't comprehend what people such as Paul Offit are actually saying. It's telling that you've posted several long tracts from him here that don't back up what you're claiming, but you're acting as if they do. This shows how little you comprehend of it all.

Already did years ago. Nobody here was able to find a cost-benefit analysis that said kids needed the vaccine. If you're forcing someone/some group to get some intervention, you have to prove the intervention provides overall benefit and community benefit. That was not done, that is not how you do science. The people claiming things have to prove their claims, not the other way around.
"Kids need the vaccine" is a value judgement, a political question depending on a lot more than the science. After all this time, you still fail to distinguish between policy and science.

You made a claim. You claimed the cost-benefit analysis showed more harm than benefit for these groups. That is an exceptional, positive claim. You need to substantiate it.

The rich countries that could lockdown are the countries that provide aid to poorer countries. The poor countries need rich countries to help with nutrition and immunization programs during normal times like now, let alone during a pandemic. Rich countries shutdown, halted non-essential programs like aid to other countries, and those other countries suffered. It was hilarious even here, just traveling in the US for work, we would get emails saying such and such place (that we were traveling to) was red and try to not travel there. You think we were sending people to foreign countries in the middle of the covid pandemic when we were being told not to even travel in the US?
OK, so you've just shifted the conversation entirely. You're now talking about aid, arguing that one country locking down and reducing aid forced other countries to halt programs. That's not the same claim; the country's own lockdown didn't force any such shutdown in that scenario.

A country locking down does not necessitate its own nutritional and immunisation programs to end. That's not debatable. They simply didn't.

Most kids already had covid before their vaccine was even available, the vaccine then literally provides no benefit.
People get infected-- even severely infected-- more than once. Paul Offit supported getting kids vaccinated in resource-rich countries, but suddenly your deference to authority falls apart.
 

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You made a claim. You claimed the cost-benefit analysis showed more harm than benefit for these groups. That is an exceptional, positive claim. You need to substantiate it.
To me, this is no longer good enough

There are around 340 million people in the US. 27 million in Australia. So Australia is around 8% of the US population.

Around 600,000 to 650,000 people died in America in 2020. 8% of this is around 47,000. So, if Australia treated COVID like the US, you could, as a rough estimate, guess that 47,000 Aussie

Guess how many people died in Australia in 2020? 920. 1/50 of the number of deaths. Having 98% fewer deaths seems like a community benefit. It also reduced deaths to suicide and dementia, schools were open, no masks were needed, and Australia's economy was great. Seems like a benefit to me.... not only that, I was making this info known to him sometime in 2021. This is not news anymore

Phoenix is so wrong that it makes me question what they mean by 'cost-benefit'. Applying only costs to the idea you want to demonise and only benefits to the ideas you want to lionise is not a cost-benefit analysis. If you are going to use a term like cost-benefit analysis, use it like everyone else, not your own made up definition
 

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To me, this is no longer good enough

There are around 340 million people in the US. 27 million in Australia. So Australia is around 8% of the US population.

Around 600,000 to 650,000 people died in America in 2020. 8% of this is around 47,000. So, if Australia treated COVID like the US, you could, as a rough estimate, guess that 47,000 Aussie

Guess how many people died in Australia in 2020? 920. 1/50 of the number of deaths. Having 98% fewer deaths seems like a community benefit. It also reduced deaths to suicide and dementia, schools were open, no masks were needed, and Australia's economy was great. Seems like a benefit to me.... not only that, I was making this info known to him sometime in 2021. This is not news anymore

Phoenix is so wrong that it makes me question what they mean by 'cost-benefit'. Applying only costs to the idea you want to demonise and only benefits to the ideas you want to lionise is not a cost-benefit analysis. If you are going to use a term like cost-benefit analysis, use it like everyone else, not your own made up definition
But how much MONEY was lost in Australia? How many millions of dollars were not spent because of lockdown? That's the only thing that matters. What's a few deaths for the sake of being able to buy the latest Playstation 5 game?

Or there is the education matter, which is admittedly more of an issue, but education can be caught up on. Long COVID symptoms, not so much.
 

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Good gods. Its years after covid and we're still dealing with people that stress that not letting covid run rampant was the REAL problem. If there's a zombie apocalypse we're all doomed.
Nope it depends on what what type of zombies, and whether it can suppressed quickly enough to not reach critical mass. USSOCOM units could quicky deal with most zombie outbreaks unless they are Halo's flood tier zombies. Even a type 3 civilization that is a dictatorship would find it hard-pressed to deal with them.

"Everyone else should be willing and eager to die for my freedoms" is unfortunately a widespread mentality.
Like Democracy experts who flee to other counties because of Trump. You all should protest, but if Trump comes after me I am should be able to leave.
 

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Guess how many people died in Australia in 2020? 920. 1/50 of the number of deaths.
And then in 2022, you had like 20,000 extra deaths but only reported like 1/3rd of that as covid related.

Covid is endemic, essentially the entire globe has had it and will continue to have it cyclically for the foreseeable future. You can be pleased about how your country handled it if you like, but if you think you magically avoided 98% of the death toll, you're delusional.
 

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Covid is endemic, essentially the entire globe has had it and will continue to have it cyclically for the foreseeable future. You can be pleased about how your country handled it if you like, but if you think you magically avoided 98% of the death toll, you're delusional.
Sure: on that logic, may as well stop bothering with healthcare. After all, they'll all be dead in the end either way.
 
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Sure: on that logic, may as well stop bothering with healthcare. After all, they'll all be dead in the end either way.
That's not remotely my logic. I'm saying what we knew from the very beginning: slow the spread, flatten the curve. Eradicate the virus so that nobody ever gets it isn't feasible and never was, so we do what we can to manage coexistence.

If you did all healthcare with the idea that people would live forever if you did it right, you're going to waste a ton of time and effort on mistakes and reach a worse outcome.
 

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You know it's bad when conservatives on NextDoor, the housing owning less nutty version of Facebook, and X/Twitter are ratioing this post.

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That said, I understand the logic of Columbus City Leadership: if you speak out against ICE/Steven Miller, you get put in the spotlight and get reduced federal funding, so you silently say CPD won't help, ICE is on their own, etc. But you don't push back. However, this logic, when taken to extremes, will end up costing Columbus, Ohio, AKA

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Also fun fact is that many people in a Soviet City called Leningrad/modern-day Saint Petersburg were selling out their neighbors so don't do that either.
 

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So, of course, as a human being, I feel bad about them, but then I see stuff like this.


Latinos and or Hispanics vote for Trump in 2024 more than they did for George W Bush, both of whom historians have ranked as some of the worst presidents in American history.



George W Bush, the better of both of these guys, wouldn't even defend Liz Cheney, his own VP's daughter, over him being butthurt by democrats in 2008, the better man who was leagues more morally sound than him and should have been president over him. John McCain was against Trump. When Jimmy Carter, Clinton, Obama, and many people on his own staff were likely begging him to endorse Kamala Harris against Trump, he wouldn't do it... in 2024.

Donald Trump helped embolden CECOT, stupid tariffs, slowed down aid to Ukraine, undermined Fauci, undermined Jerome Powell, undermined his first SecDef Mattis, and the list goes on and on. He called Mexicans and implied de facto Hispanics, not Muslims, not Chinese-Americans(My people), not indians, not Australians, not African Americans were murderers, and rapist.

And yes, I know people have short memories. However, surprisingly, many people crossed the southern border, including Chinese nationals, Colombians, Russians, and others. And he singles out Venezuelans, but he has singled out people in Haiti, Yemen, Iran, and etc.

Also, Steven Miller, who despises every country with Spanish as a national language, minus maybe Spain. He's described as basically untouchable in Trump's white house. This happened once already.

If he were to start deporting people who aren't my people, I would not do anything. Why go to those anti-ICE rallies again, when 46% of the people that Trump wants to harm, kick out, possibly in the future, harm every single people like me, and likely most other Americans, and make suffer to decrease their taxes, because they couldn't be bothered to be informed, or are too lazy. There were people calling ICE on undocumented workers who backed, or had family who voted for DJT. I mean, I haven't done that, but it's kind of crappy to backstab people who are fighting for your rights.

And the weird part is a lot of those 46% of people are racists, or apathetic to the suffering of African Americans who pushed LBJ to sign the Civil Rights Act, which is the reason most immigrants are in the US today, and they got backstabbed by many of those same immigrants so it's not surprising to me that the African American community mostly sticks to themselves.
 

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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
First, they came for the 1.5 million people with active deportation orders signed by judges after going through the entire legal process required to do so, and I did not speak out, because I had not been ordered deported through complete due process.

Then, that was it, because it takes more than 4 years to get through that list.

The end.
 

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That's not remotely my logic. I'm saying what we knew from the very beginning: slow the spread, flatten the curve.
If you delay people catching a lethal virus until there's a vaccine, then a lot of people who might have died of the virus won't because they got vaccinated.

Sure, it won't have been 98%, but nevertheless for countries that effectively restricted spread such as Australia it would have been a very substantial number.
 

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First, they came for the 1.5 million people with active deportation orders signed by judges after going through the entire legal process required to do so, and I did not speak out, because I had not been ordered deported through complete due process.

Then, that was it, because it takes more than 4 years to get through that list.

The end.
They have deported the following people...

US citizens
Former US military/Veterans
Permanent residents
People are going to hearings to petition to get Permanent residency to check in with USCIS.

But fine, let's assume everything you say is true, and every one of them was none of the above.

You do realize that, eventually, even if some of the people are those lists are not assimilated today, their children could and will eventually make the US have a better economy in the future or even a generation from now. They aren't La Reconquista types who want Mexico to conquer the American Southwest. Their children could be the reason to turn the tide in a future war, or even just give us the edge in a new Cold War, which Trump started against the whole fucking world with his insane planetary-wide tariffs.

Even as we speak, many of them are literally making America great again in their jobs and community, since America was great due to dynamic immigrants. We would not be as great if we rejected Einstein, and we would have been greater had we accepted M.S. St. Louis during the 20th century. And it's just so immoral and stupid to rip a family apart, root and set,m, based on someone(Stephen Miller) who supposedly got bullied in high school, a Hispanic American literally told me I was the shame of the school for getting suspended once in like middle school,l oh no, I guess I better run on being racist. We are going to reject you when you have gone through hell, or possibly have a job where you are going through hell to get to America, and by de facto help America.

America isn't an ethno state, it's unironically dynamicism in a country-sized bottle, and almost all of them who are being deported are dynamic, hard-working in their jobs and community. If they weren't economically aggressive, they wouldn't come here;/many immigrants would be paid 2 cents to troll the US on Reddit, X, and TikTok, for example. That's not to say people in the EU, Russia, India, and especially China who stay aren't dynamic.

Do I think we need to have open borders at this time? No, it hasn't come to that. But deporting people at this scale is insane.

Also, the fascists eventually come for everyone, it actually eventually doesn't matter, even if you are white you could be deported, exiled, or worse for having wrongthink.
 

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If he were to start deporting people who aren't my people, I would not do anything. Why go to those anti-ICE rallies again, when 46% of the people that Trump wants to harm, kick out, possibly in the future, harm every single people like me, and likely most other Americans, and make suffer to decrease their taxes, because they couldn't be bothered to be informed, or are too lazy. There were people calling ICE on undocumented workers who backed, or had family who voted for DJT. I mean, I haven't done that, but it's kind of crappy to backstab people who are fighting for your rights.

And the weird part is a lot of those 46% of people are racists, or apathetic to the suffering of African Americans who pushed LBJ to sign the Civil Rights Act, which is the reason most immigrants are in the US today, and they got backstabbed by many of those same immigrants so it's not surprising to me that the African American community mostly sticks to themselves.
Even if one agreed with that argument, that's 46%. I mean, if someone was to toss a coin, heads you personally get deported, tails it's a Trump supporter, is that ok? 50-50 you get someone who supported Trump, and the other person doesn't matter?