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Don't forget when they went out and bought nike gear to then burn because nike dared to include a "cancelled" football player in their ads.
Hell, back in my day, morons went out and bought California wine to pour into the street to protest France not wanting to help us invade Iraq. On top of renaming French fries and French bread
 

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No, it's still the same shit, both sides. Remember right wing people, not that long ago, destroyed their Keurigs and Yeti's because Sean Hannity said so? Or tried to buy out stores of Goya beans because God Emperor Trump said something good about them?
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Did they go after people for not doing it?

Did they spent days or weeks attacking people for daring to buy the stuff?

With Goya I'll happily say they mocked a number of idiots who were throwing away perfectly good food just because Trump mentioned said food

Don't forget when they went out and bought nike gear to then burn because nike dared to include a "cancelled" football player in their ads.
As a reminder the main one around that the guy setting fire to his shoes was fake and done by an internet comedian


 

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And?

Did they go after people for not doing it?

Did they spent days or weeks attacking people for daring to buy the stuff?

With Goya I'll happily say they mocked a number of idiots who were throwing away perfectly good food just because Trump mentioned said food
Yes. A conservative Youtuber constantly crank called the Raising Kane franchise's locations harassing them because of the mere suspicion that it's CEO was Muslim., to just use one example. Then there was the multiple screams from conservative Christians about Pokemon in general, and Pokemon Go supposedly being some sort of Transhumanist Plot.


Also, it was conservatives who INSISTED you not let your precious little eyes get harmed by the "explicit sex scenes" of Mass Effect.

 

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Yes. A conservative Youtuber constantly crank called the Raising Kane franchise's locations harassing them because of the mere suspicion that it's CEO was Muslim., to just use one example. Then there was the multiple screams from conservative Christians about Pokemon in general, and Pokemon Go supposedly being some sort of Transhumanist Plot.


Also, it was conservatives who INSISTED you not let your precious little eyes get harmed by the "explicit sex scenes" of Mass Effect.

So just to be clear an extreme idiot youtuber acted like an extreme idiot.

Some other idiots made youtube videos too

Fox New did a dumb news segment.

So can you point to the part where they're replying to people directly telling them they'll burn in hell or the part where they're telling people again and again in comment sections and other places to go kill themselves?

They're idiots preaching from their pulpits they're not actively attacking people or if they are there's plenty of people who could similarly be accused of attacking others if that's the new standard.
 

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So just to be clear an extreme idiot youtuber acted like an extreme idiot.

Some other idiots made youtube videos too

Fox New did a dumb news segment.

So can you point to the part where they're replying to people directly telling them they'll burn in hell or the part where they're telling people again and again in comment sections and other places to go kill themselves?

They're idiots preaching from their pulpits they're not actively attacking people or if they are there's plenty of people who could similarly be accused of attacking others if that's the new standard.
How much more direct do you need than calling up a man's business and harassing his employees or harassing people playing a game?
 
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How much more direct do you need than calling up a man's business and harassing his employees or harassing people playing a game?
Yeh but it's a youtuber known for being this much of an idiot already. For all I know this is his stupid way to produce content and he doesn't have an actual ideology
 

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Yeh but it's a youtuber known for being this much of an idiot already. For all I know this is his stupid way to produce content and he doesn't have an actual ideology
Great double standard you're employing there. Right wing cranks are obviously apolitical, while left wing cranks are true blue believers?
 

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On 1 June 2020, a law enforcement official in the small northern California city of Redding sent screenshots of two social media posts to her staff, asking them to investigate.

One was an Instagram story. “BE AWARE … I have heard, from a reliable source, that ANTIFA buses with close to 200 people (domestic terrorists) are planning to infiltrate Redding and possibly cause distraction and destruction,” it read.

The second, a Facebook post, warned that buses of protesters planning to “riot” had stopped in Klamath Falls in southern Oregon, “but there was no rioting or burning as they decided to move on”. The post included a grainy image of a small van with “Black Lives Matter” written on the back.

Elizabeth Barkley, then chief of the California Highway Patrol (CHP) northern division, which covers rural parts of the state just south of Oregon, asked her colleagues to look into the claims and “notify our allied agencies in town”. Ninety minutes later, another CHP official forwarded the message to officers saying, “The thought is these buses are roaming – looking for events to attend (and possibly cause problems).”


Orange county deputies during a protest in Yorba Linda, California.

Fifteen minutes after that, a CHP sergeant told a listserv of commanders that “possible ANTIFA buses [are] heading to Redding”, adding that the agency’s tactical alert center had been notified. The official said that CHP aircraft operations were now actively trying to locate a vehicle on the freeway. The sheriff of nearby Humboldt county, William Honsal, shared the information with his entire staff, saying, “BOL [be on the lookout] for ANTIFA buses from Oregon.”

An Instagram story screenshot reads: If you choose to be apart of protests that is your constitutional right. BE AWARE. I have heard, from a reliable source, that ANTIFA buses with close to 200 people (domestic terrorists) are planning to infiltrate Redding and possibly cause distraction and destruction. They were in Klamath Falls, OR yesterday and are touring around. I sincerely hope this isn't true. This is meant to inform and not to spread fear. I believe this is a paid organization designed to create chaos. Do not engage in violence. Do not be apart of the problem by getting caught up in the moment with instigators. !!SHASTA/TEHAMA!!


The actions of officials in Shasta and Humboldt counties last summer were outlined in internal documents obtained through a public records request by Property of the People, a not-for-profit group, and shared with the Guardian.

They show how officers in these rural counties, known for weed farms and hiking and overwhelmingly white, were swiftly duped by unfounded allegations about “Antifa buses” threatening to “infiltrate” the community as the United States wrestled with the death of George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter demonstrations that sprung up in the aftermath.

The records also show how the agencies’ response to those unsubstantiated allegations helped spread misinformation rooted in online conspiracy theories. The files were particularly troubling, experts said, because antifa conspiracy theories have inspired armed rightwing vigilantes to organize in response, sometimes with violent demonstrations.

‘Rightwing posts lead to aircraft surveillance’
Unverified warnings about antifa threats and buses of leftwing activists making their way to various protest sites were all over the internet on 1 June, amplified by rightwing accounts, including Donald Trump Jr’s Instagram account.

Already that day, NBC News reported that at least some of the rumors were started by a white nationalist group, posing on Twitter as “antifa” and threatening to “move into the residential areas” of “white hoods” and “take what’s ours”.

On the morning of 2 June, however, Honsal, the Humboldt county sheriff, emailed staff to say he had “confirmed with CHP that the bus is currently in Redding” and that CHP had a “surveillance team” monitoring. At the same time, journalists, disinformation experts and some law enforcement officials were debunking the antifa bus rumors across the US.

Still, at a press conference on 4 June, Honsal publicly raised concerns about antifa threats, saying his agency had “substantiated law enforcement reports” that “antifa did have people in buses” and suggesting the groups “want to disrupt things and want to cause violence”.

The sheriff, records show, soon received emails from a resident asking why he was continuing to make such claims “without a shred of evidence”, along with questions from a county supervisor about his comments.

Black Lives Matter protestors gather outside the hall of justice in Los Angeles on 24 June 2020.


A week later, however, Honsal released a new statement to local media, once again repeating his warnings. “CHP confirmed the reports of an Antifa bus or buses,” he asserted, adding that he would “continue to share information on radical groups (right or left) that promote violence”.

A spokesperson for Honsal told the Guardian the sheriff had “made those statements based upon information provided to us by the California Highway Patrol”. The sheriff’s office, she said, was not involved in the antifa bus investigations and no bus was located in Humboldt county.

(Continued...)
 
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‘Police lacked basic social media literacy’
A CHP spokeswoman told the Guardian that the agency had received no evidence about possible buses beyond the two screenshots, and said its investigative unit reviewed the social media posts “to evaluate potential public safety issues”. She noted that Oregon police had raised similar concerns.

“A CHP air unit conducted a short search for the buses; however, they were unable to locate them,” the spokeswoman said in an email, adding that no specific individuals were surveilled, contacted or apprehended, and that no threat was identified. The full extent of the operation is unclear, though the spokesperson said the actual aerial search was brief: “The Antifa bus mission was a 12-minute event.”

It’s also unclear why Honsal said there was a “confirmed” bus in Redding. A 2 June report from the CHP northern division on “George Floyd protests” said no arrests were made, and noted that all related protests in the region were “expected to be peaceful”.

What is clear to experts, however, is that the correspondence between the agencies suggest they lacked “basic news and social media information literacy” said Ryan Shapiro, the executive director of Property of the People, who has investigated how police monitor antifascist activists.

CHP had “relied on obviously baseless rightwing social media posts to launch military-style aerial surveillance missions for nonexistent … antifa convoys”, he added.

A man holds a Black Lives Matter sign in front of a line of San Diego police officers on 31 May 2020.


The photo of a specific van with the “be on the lookout” warning could have “resulted in serious harm to people who are driving that kind of bus when there was no evidence that anybody has done anything wrong”, said Michael German, fellow with the Brennan Center and former FBI agent. “Based on the vagueness of the rumor, it’s hard to imagine why they would have deployed those tactical resources,” he added.

The documents also appeared to fit a pattern of police aggressively responding to “mild progressive dissent”, said Shapiro.

Other records in the data set point in a similar direction. On 1 September last year, the Humboldt undersheriff, Justin Braud, sent an email to staff, saying, “We are in trying times for sure, and we must prepare accordingly.” He encouraged officers to read an attached document, which he said contained “good material on preparedness for the unknown, mentally and physically”.

The document was a police newsletter called “Nor Cal Sheepdog” about “off-duty safety” in the “era of Anonymous, Antifa, and BLM”. Written by law enforcement consultants, the authors said these groups should not be “underestimated” and that their “tactics include attacks on officers”. The letter advised officers to “maintain vigilant watch for threats while off duty”, always be “armed and ready”, “train with your off-duty weapon”, “prepare for the possibility of being a victim” and be “paranoid”.

It warned officers that they could face attacks anywhere, including in their homes, adding, “Indecision is fatal. You must switch to the on-duty mindset.”

Vida B Johnson, Georgetown University law professor and policing expert, said the messages reflected “a pretty paranoid, self-centered worldview”, and that police seemed more concerned with their own safety, than broader public safety.

A participant raises a fist against police officers during a Black Lives Matter march in Los Angeles on 14 June 2020.


Asked about Braud’s email, the sheriff spokeswoman said, “During the time this particular email was sent, there was a lot of fear in law enforcement of officers and their families being targeted or attacked due to the current climate.”

But to German, they provide a window into pervasive ideologies in US police departments. Departments have repeatedly shared baseless claims about BLM endangering them, he said, but have downplayed or ignored real threats to their safety whether from Covid or far-right extremists.

“Something that really does kill police officers is treated as not a problem while imaginary threats are treated as real,” German said.

The consequences of antifa hoaxes
The rumors about antifa threats last year were not without consequences. They prompted some rightwing militias and conservatives to patrol their neighborhoods while heavily armed. In Washington state, armed residents harassed a multiracial family that was passing through on a camping trip, falsely accusing them of being “antifa protesters”. Repeated false claims about “antifa arsonists” starting wildfires led armed civilians in Oregon to set up roadblocks, .

In some cases, police have expressed tacit support for such responses.

In one of the CHP emails from June, a captain spoke positively about the militias that responded to “antifa bus” threats in Oregon, saying that locals “armed with long rifles, shotguns and pistols, wearing blue arm bands (to be recognized by police as friendly)” showed up “to deter violence in their city”.

People hold signs reading “Black Lives Matter” and “End police terror” during a protest in Oakland, California, on 3 June 2020.


Shane Burley, a researcher and expert on the far right, noted that when police describe antifa as a major domestic terror threat, “it legitimizes vigilante violence”. He cited the rise in car attacks against BLM protesters, and armed rightwing men threatening demonstrators.

At least one official in Humboldt county has expressed frustration that law enforcement seemed more concerned with BLM than with legitimate violent threats from the far right.

Two days after the 6 January insurrection, one county government leader emailed the sheriff and others expressing her dismay that officials had not condemned the “attempted coup” in DC. She noted that a local group had also protested at the Humboldt courthouse that day, but law enforcement did not communicate with government employees about it, even though “police escorts had previously been offered when there were rumors of a BLM protest”.

The sheriff responded that he had received no intelligence reports suggesting that there would be a violent local protest and said the demonstrators “were exercising their constitutional rights”. And while he called the violence at the US Capitol “horrifying and deplorable”, he also corrected her language.

According to the FBI, he said, the attack was “not considered a coup d’état”.
If these police did some actual honest-to-god fucking police work, they'd realise how stupid and baseless the fearmongering of "antifa" is. For crying out loud.
 
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The L.A.P.D. are a constant cavalcade of fuck ups. This is does not surprised me in the slightest. They should honestly fire those that went on the wild goose chase, and replace then with people that actually care about investigative work. Because they obviously weren't hired for their intelligence, if all they have is looks and specific body type going for them.
 
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In the same message, we're told that protests are a Constitutional right and that Antifa are domestic terrorists.

Hey, are these the same buses that allegedly drove illegal immigrants around so they could vote for Biden across the country?
 

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Great double standard you're employing there. Right wing cranks are obviously apolitical, while left wing cranks are true blue believers?
Well it's more of a double standard to try and equate 1 asshole youtuber to a mass of people who can will and do jump on people again and again on social media and other places for perceived slights against their ideology or not towing the line enough.

I mean ResetEra is infamous for this happening connected to threads there
 

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If these police did some actual honest-to-god fucking police work, they'd realise how stupid and baseless the fearmongering of "antifa" is. For crying out loud.
Ah yes totally baseless fearmongering






(The guy resisted arrest and fire on police as they came to arrest him for already fatally shooting another person)
 

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How much more direct do you need than calling up a man's business and harassing his employees or harassing people playing a game?
Maybe a number of people doing it more than 1 tool who has a youtube channel?

There's literally tons of youtubers (unfortunately) whose whole bit is trolling others or going after people just because they can so 1 guy doing it when it could just be a way to make content, not as convincing proof wise as masses of people doing it not to make content but because they feel they're saving the world or something on social media. See for example to backlash to The Last Night and that games developer or Scott Cawthon. Or Jonathan Blow at one point too.
 

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Maybe a number of people doing it more than 1 tool who has a youtube channel?
You think it was just one? Oh that's adorable.

There's literally tons of youtubers (unfortunately) whose whole bit is trolling others or going after people
And this is a one way street? You want me to bring up how many right wing talking heads are going after people on the very same platform? I've been to the dark side, youngling, been to the belly of the right wing beast and it's not pretty.

just because they can so 1 guy doing it when it could just be a way to make content, not as convincing proof wise as masses of people doing it not to make content but because they feel they're saving the world or something on social media. See for example to backlash to The Last Night and that games developer or Scott Cawthon. Or Jonathan Blow at one point too.
You wanna rumble? I'll see your Scott Cawthorn and raise you a Dixie Chicks. I'll also see your Jonathan Blow and raise you Micheal Schiavo.
 

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You wanna rumble? I'll see your Scott Cawthorn and raise you a Dixie Chicks. I'll also see your Jonathan Blow and raise you Micheal Schiavo.
Man, just raise The Event That Shall Not Be Named. One side made up news articles about a certain woman and this drove people to send bomb and death threats. Then it spread to people like Sarkesian who weren't even involved... obviously with the same bomb threats

Lives ruined over made up articles
 
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You think it was just one? Oh that's adorable.
Well it was your examples and that's the one you provided and are contesting now. Sorry but I'm really not familiar with every super obscure Qanon nut or whatever who happens to be on youtube. If it was more people you're gonna need to present something more than 1 idiot


And this is a one way street? You want me to bring up how many right wing talking heads are going after people on the very same platform? I've been to the dark side, youngling, been to the belly of the right wing beast and it's not pretty.
It's funny you know, I didn't mention sides. Because at the end of the day in those dark corners of youtube plenty don't have sides other than annoying people. They're the kind of asshole who as a kid would have run along kicking down other kid sandcastles or spray paint over some street artists intricate design with "Jazza was ere". Left right for many it don't matter it's a means to an end of creating content.

As for the dark side well if you're going to play at bringing up dark sides I guess I'm going to have to deploy the Stark quote


You wanna rumble? I'll see your Scott Cawthorn and raise you a Dixie Chicks. I'll also see your Jonathan Blow and raise you Micheal Schiavo.
Your raise of the Dixie Chicks fails because
1) They were publicly vocal Scott wasn't before people literally dug through campaign finance stuff
2) The had private companies (radio stations) refusing to play their stuff while Scott had people threatening his life and the lives of his family and the companies who chose to work with him

The other case, I fail to see quite where the cancellation comes in. It's not a pretty case but even wikipedia suggests groups on both sides got involved.

Man, just raise The Event That Shall Not Be Named. One side made up news articles about a certain woman and this drove people to send bomb and death threats. Then it spread to people like Sarkesian who weren't even involved... obviously with the same bomb threats

Lives ruined over made up articles
I mean we really shouldn't bring it up especially if you're going to talk bullshit about stuff when the mains lives ruined by it would be Chloe Segal and (though this happened after said event so it can be discussed I think) Alec Holowka.
 

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The other case, I fail to see quite where the cancellation comes in. It's not a pretty case but even wikipedia suggests groups on both sides got involved.
So having CONGRESSMEN ON THE FLOOR OF GOVERNMENT hurling accusations and their idealogical talking heads calling you a wife beater who needs to be arrested immediately doesn't count as "cancelled".

I'll add Gary Condit to the pot too.