If you want to cater to the asian segment you'd probably want something that appeals more to the chinese, koreans, or japanese, Jaghatai is more of a mongolian type of thing.
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The White Scars? They're clearly trying to make up for something.
They've got their token South Asian, but they might need someone a bit more Far Eastern. There's a lot of money over there these days.
So yeah, this one used to come up all the time back when I was into 40k (which must have been back in the early 2000s) and I think I kind of stand by the stance I had then.
My issue with female space marines is that everyone who wants them wants them to be hyper-feminine and pretty, which there's nothing intrinsically wrong with but is, to me, both indicative of a very different genre and also just less interesting. Space marines in the 40k lore are these massive slabs of impossibly 'roided-up meat which barely even qualify as human any more and look like they were drawn by Rob Leifeld during a coke binge. Female space marines, logically, would also be massive slabs of impossibly 'roided-up shaven-headed meat. Heck, do space marines even have working genitals? It's not like they ever go through a normal puberty.
And I think that's cool. I want butch space marines who crush human skulls with a flex of their massive biceps. I think that's fundamentally interesting. What does it mean to technically be female if you're a super soldier who looks like the Hulk and has been stripped of all emotions save hatred and the desire to murder everything? I think that would be really fun. But that doesn't seem to be what anyone else who likes this idea wants..
Or femMarines could be seen as heretical. Outcasts but always trying to help the Imperium. In reality, femMarines are like Samus. You wouldn't have any idea they were female til they took their suit off to reveal the bikini underneath. The genetic enhancements could just make them look male. Or just make them choas only marines. Opportunity abounds
I still find it funny seeing people call for Female Space Marines when the Sisters of Battle are far more badass.
No genetic enhancements. No mods and or super heavy weapons. Just light weapons and blind determination and dedication to cause and a iron will to win. I mean in lore they can almost go toe to toe with Space Marine factions and have done such that they actually held off groups of Space Marines for weeks before without reinforcements.
No genetic enhancements. No mods and or super heavy weapons. Just light weapons and blind determination and dedication to cause and a iron will to win. I mean in lore they can almost go toe to toe with Space Marine factions and have done such that they actually held off groups of Space Marines for weeks before without reinforcements.
Yes, Jordan Peterson says women represent chaos, so that would make sense. And, you know, Slaanesh is into hermaphroditism and all sorts so there's already non-binary in there.
And for every story like that in the lore, there's ones such as a group of SoB being turned into literal armor paint by their protagonist space marine allies. If you can't understand why some people might prefer to be represented in the poster faction of the setting rather than a minor one that alternates between getting treated as almost (but not quite) equal to SM and "haha their blood is fun to play with" redshirts, that's a you problem, not an other people problem.
The Sisters of Battle are a slightly feeble half-way house to introduce teh wimminz into 40K (as a requisite nod to the fact women do actually exist and the ones in the real world may even be interested in wargaming) without GW having to sacrifice the sanctity of their all-male marines. Note the burlesque inspired corset-like armour with tit-plates and thigh-length boots, just in case we had any doubts that someone didn't have a firm eye fixed on them as dominatrix wank fantasy.
"Power armour bikini"?
Yes and it is a great honour to bless the the weapons of the warriors of the emperor with such protections...........
It's 40K
It's literally Grim Dark the dark origin story.
The Sisters of Battle are literally super devout religious fanatics, fanatically loyal the the emperor.
Space Marines get torn apart by alien weapons and become smears in the walls of the Spacehulks that get invaded
Objecting to the Sisters of Battle being killed seems, kinda silly in context of the universe and suggests a big issued with why people don't want female space marines, because they need to be allowed to lose and some of the people who want them (Those not just pushing for them because they have a muscle women fetish) will not accept them being anything but the ultimate unstoppable force in the galaxy and well....... that's not 40K
As for them being represented, well a Sister of battle is one of the playable characters in the upcoming Warhammer Darktide game
The Sisters of Battle have been in Warhammer since 1997 so it's hardly some new thing.
Also are we forgetting Female Eldar Warriors are a thing so there is already a faction with female warriors if people don't want to Play Sisters of Battle.
Oh and while we're here.
1) Heavy Gothic Aesthetic for Warhammer so yeh battle corset things make some sense.
2) Boob armour as has been shown by Shadversity the youtube medieval weapons guy would likely sacrifice little in the way of protection if well made and only can't be a thing if you entirely ignore the actual fashion trend that happened of ornate armour designs including penis armour crotch places
Those are fallen sisters (well the top one is) they fight without the holy armour to prove they are dedicated the the emperor and have his favour or die trying to redeem themselves.And don't forget the very literal BDSM squad...
Again kinda crazy religious fanatics who kinda scare even the Space Marines with how fanatical they are.
As a Republican, I will unhesitantly affirm that California's recall rules are super dumb, and Republicans having any chance at all is a consequence of a criminally stupid election system they've set up. Simple majority recall, with plurality vote on who replaces, among several pages of candidates competing in a general election against their own party, and you can't vote for the likely most popular candidate. An electoral system where the 49% popular candidate can be replaced by someone with 5% of the vote is just ludicrous.
Hell, half the time they don't even have their own codex, being subordinated into generalized "Inquisition" fluff, so the idea that they're a female-only faction is only occasionally true to begin with. Like c'mon, you can't pull an Eldar and throw in a token torso/head combo into the Imperial Guard kits? Get it together GW
Either that or develop the Sisters of Battle into something equal to an Astartes in terms of power and projection.
It didn't help when Matt Voldemort Ward kept writing non stop about all the times they got slaughtered, including by the Astartes themselves.
And yes, the Astartes have their share of jobbing it, but funny you mentioned space hulks when the most famous story involving a space hulk was when the Blood Angels purged The Sin of Damnation THE HARD WAY just because they were so depressed about losing the first fight with it.
*COUGH COUGH* Matt Ward and Ultramarines *COUGH COUGH*
Nope. And any reminders of how much of a part they are of the IG are met with "LALALALALALA can't hear you!"
God, I miss when 40k was Thrash Metal Album Cover Sci-Fi.
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So on the subject of female Space Marines. If GW put out female Space Marines today, I'd probably roll my eyes, but not stir up a fuss. That said, I dislike the idea for the following reasons:
1: From the idea of theme/motif (more the latter), female Space Marines really don't fit. We have the Emperor (male), create the Primarchs (all male), who regard him as their "father," and he their "sons," with Space Marine chapters venerating the Emperor not so much as a god, but as the perfect "man." In case you're missing the theme here, the Space Marines have a very...I'm going to say patriarchal, but I don't mean that in a negative way, I mean simply in the sense that the 'male motif' is clear to see. This arguably has theological parallels if we consider the Emperor akin to a god, and the primarchs as angels (FFS, Sanguinius has angel wings), or the traitor primarchs as fallen angels (you can draw plenty of similarities between Chaos and Hell). Just as the Sisters of Battle are matriarchal (female soldiers, female saints, etc.), the Space Marines are patriarchal.
2: From the worldbuilding standpoint, there's no hard reason why female Space Marines couldn't be created, but in-universe, it would be eyebrow raising as well. You've got over 1000 Space Marine chapters (all male), coming from Space Marine legions (all male), who've fought against traitor Space Marines (all male), and now, we've got Primaris Marines (all male). In-universe, some people (the High Lords of Terra I assume) have made the decision for over ten millennia to have their Space Marines be male. Which arguably makes sense (males tend to make better soldiers for a variety of reasons), but in-universe, having female Space Marines now...okay, why? How? If there was a time to introduce them, it was with Era Indominatus, but that's gone by, so yeah.
3: Finally, there's the question of motivation. If you want female Space Marines, why? From a model standpoint, conversions are a thing, most of your marines are wearing helmets, and if you want some helmetless female marines, stick Sisters of Battle heads on them. But that aside, I don't buy the idea that every organization in every female setting has to be open to both genders. It can be, and I'd roll my eyes at anyone also saying stuff like "but there can't be female knights, female knights didn't exist!", but keeping this in 40K itself, it's arguably telling that there's some people pushing for female Space Marines, but no-one pushing (as far as I can tell) for male Sisters of Battle (Brothers of Battle?). My personal view is that for tradition, both in-universe and out-universe, Space Marines should stay male, Sisters of Battle should stay female, and the rest of the Imperium is up for grabs. For instance, even if there was an Imperial Guard faction that was all-male in-universe, there's so many Guard branches that there's nothing to stop an all-female branch as well, because the Guard can be pretty much whatever you want them to be.
There's also another thing. I'd be at least sympathetic to people requesting female Space Marines if the demands came with interesting ideas for it (e.g. how would they relate to their primarch and the Emperor?), but I rarely see those ideas pitched. It's more "I want female Space Marines" with nothing to back that up that demand from a storytelling or worldbuilding standpoint. It's like...I dunno, to pivot to 40K's predecessor franchise Dune, it's like me demanding there be male Bene Jesserit without any actual rationale or ideas for how that works with the setting or with its themes/motifs.
1: From the idea of theme/motif (more the latter), female Space Marines really don't fit. We have the Emperor (male), create the Primarchs (all male), who regard him as their "father," and he their "sons," with Space Marine chapters venerating the Emperor not so much as a god, but as the perfect "man." In case you're missing the theme here, the Space Marines have a very...I'm going to say patriarchal, but I don't mean that in a negative way, I mean simply in the sense that the 'male motif' is clear to see. This arguably has theological parallels if we consider the Emperor akin to a god, and the primarchs as angels (FFS, Sanguinius has angel wings), or the traitor primarchs as fallen angels (you can draw plenty of similarities between Chaos and Hell). Just as the Sisters of Battle are matriarchal (female soldiers, female saints, etc.), the Space Marines are patriarchal.
2: From the worldbuilding standpoint, there's no hard reason why female Space Marines couldn't be created, but in-universe, it would be eyebrow raising as well. You've got over 1000 Space Marine chapters (all male), coming from Space Marine legions (all male), who've fought against traitor Space Marines (all male), and now, we've got Primaris Marines (all male). In-universe, some people (the High Lords of Terra I assume) have made the decision for over ten millennia to have their Space Marines be male. Which arguably makes sense (males tend to make better soldiers for a variety of reasons), but in-universe, having female Space Marines now...okay, why? How? If there was a time to introduce them, it was with Era Indominatus, but that's gone by, so yeah.
3: Finally, there's the question of motivation. If you want female Space Marines, why? From a model standpoint, conversions are a thing, most of your marines are wearing helmets, and if you want some helmetless female marines, stick Sisters of Battle heads on them. But that aside, I don't buy the idea that every organization in every female setting has to be open to both genders. It can be, and I'd roll my eyes at anyone also saying stuff like "but there can't be female knights, female knights didn't exist!", but keeping this in 40K itself, it's arguably telling that there's some people pushing for female Space Marines, but no-one pushing (as far as I can tell) for male Sisters of Battle (Brothers of Battle?). My personal view is that for tradition, both in-universe and out-universe, Space Marines should stay male, Sisters of Battle should stay female, and the rest of the Imperium is up for grabs. For instance, even if there was an Imperial Guard faction that was all-male in-universe, there's so many Guard branches that there's nothing to stop an all-female branch as well, because the Guard can be pretty much whatever you want them to be.
There's also another thing. I'd be at least sympathetic to people requesting female Space Marines if the demands came with interesting ideas for it (e.g. how would they relate to their primarch and the Emperor?), but I rarely see those ideas pitched. It's more "I want female Space Marines" with nothing to back that up that demand from a storytelling or worldbuilding standpoint. It's like...I dunno, to pivot to 40K's predecessor franchise Dune, it's like me demanding there be male Bene Jesserit without any actual rationale or ideas for how that works with the setting or with its themes/motifs.
If you want female space marines, play Chaos. Specifically Slaanesh. The Ruinous Powers move in mysterious ways after all.
Well, that solves the female Astartes problem.
Now explain away the no female IG figures when females are extremely numerous canonically in the IG?
I think it's a fair question. Obviously GW can sell models how they want, but from an in-universe standpoint, there's no reason to not sell female IG.
Like, I figure keep the models the same, and just have extra pairs of heads? Seems reasonable. On the other hand, the prices of even plastic figures are insane, and I could see GW charging extra.
But from a story/worldbuilding standpoint, there's no argument against female IG that I'm aware of, even if they've traditionally been male.
Be careful what you two wish for, you'll get your female IG. In separate boxes with a 10% price hike.
EDIT: And their unique models won't be compatible with bits from other IG kits, so there won't be any IG leaders or special equipment, you'll only have lasgun toting gal grunts and that's it.
EDIT: And their unique models won't be compatible with bits from other IG kits, so there won't be any IG leaders or special equipment, you'll only have lasgun toting gal grunts and that's it.