Funny events in anti-woke world

[Schadrach]

Florida Sen. Blaise Ingoglia wants to 'cancel the Democratic Party' for previously supporting slavery

A Florida lawmaker has filed a bill that would call on the state to cancel the filings of any political party that "has previously advocated for, or been in support of, slavery."

www.wptv.com

Now unironically trying to ban political parties. With no hyperbole.

Political theater, throwing red meat to the base. It's like when Dems propose things like mandatory vasectomies in response to abortion laws. Except everyone understands what it is when one party does it, and pretends it's a serious concern when the other party does. Which party is which depends on who's talking.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Political theater, throwing red meat to the base. It's like when Dems propose things like mandatory vasectomies in response to abortion laws. Except everyone understands what it is when one party does it, and pretends it's a serious concern when the other party does. Which party is which depends on who's talking.

I mean, California still bans members of the Communist Party from holding office. What is this bill on protest of?

 

[Trunkage]

I mean, California still bans members of the Communist Party from holding office. What is this bill on protest of?

Anarchists are still regarded as treasonous under federal laws

 

[Trunkage]

Questions - Okay To Be White - February 13-15, 2023 - Rasmussen Reports®

www.rasmussenreports.com

1* Do you agree or disagree with this statement: “It’s OK to be white.”

Obviously, as per the above, as this is a politically-loaded term, answers to it necessarily involve an element of that political loading rather than just the face value meaning.

I really dislike how racist took terms like All Lives Matter and made it about them

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Huh. Well that explains a lot

So, a Top Guardian Editor Was Married to the Founder of Mumsnet

“Objectivity,” trans coverage, and one bit of media gossip I have been unable to get into any other piece.

judedoyle.medium.com

 

[Hades]

I guess DeSantis destroying Disney's corporate fiefdom in Florida is a funny event in anti woke world. Both because Desantis did it solely because he was feeling petty towards Disney, and because its a setback for a giant corporation.

 

[tstorm823]

CRT isn't even in schools.

It most certainly is, just not in the form you're imagining when you say that.

Do we teach astrophysics or calculus to 10-year-olds? No, of course not. Do we teach simplified concepts of space and stars and planets that people have derived from high level math and science? Absolutely. Are people teaching CRT to children in public schools? Of course not. Are people teaching simplified concepts derived from CRT? Yes. Are they putting the 1619 Project, whose central thesis is that the United States of America were formed specifically to preserve the institution of slavery, an idea straight from the perspective of CRT, into public school curricula? Absolutely, they are.

Like, imagine a situation where people are putting the idea that the earth is 5000 years old into science classes. Imagine yourself opposing that, and telling those people to get their religion out of the school. Now imagine the audacity if those people looked back at you and said "my religion isn't in the school, they're not teaching about God, that's only in churches." Don't do that.

 

[Kwak]

Are people teaching simplified concepts derived from CRT? Yes. Are they putting the 1619 Project, whose central thesis is that the United States of America were formed specifically to preserve the institution of slavery, an idea straight from the perspective of CRT, into public school curricula? Absolutely, they are.

Examples then.

 

[Ag3ma]

Are people teaching simplified concepts derived from CRT? Yes. Are they putting the 1619 Project, whose central thesis is that the United States of America were formed specifically to preserve the institution of slavery, an idea straight from the perspective of CRT, into public school curricula? Absolutely, they are.

The 1619 Project is not equivalent to creationism. Creationism is manifestly unscientific and completely unsuitable for a science class in any form. The 1619 Project however is a perspective on history. It may have flaws, but then so does pretty much any other.

It would be inappropriate to teach the 1619 Project as a monolithic explanation of US history. However, it is no particular problem to present the 1619 Project (or other ideas that may be derived from CRT) in schools as part of a balanced curriculum to be compared and contrasted against alternative views.

 

[tstorm823]

The 1619 Project is not equivalent to creationism.

It is exactly the same as creationism. They are both completely ahistorical ideas cobbled together for the sole purpose of spite. The 1619 project includes the suggestion that spreadsheets and data management are a product of American slavery, as though accounting wasn't started thousands of years prior. The concepts are literally in Jesus' parables, but there's an entire essay about accounting practices descending from slavery.

You find me the difference between acting like the earth is 5000 years old and acting like history only began with American slavery. That's not a flawed perspective, it's just untruth.

 

[Ag3ma]

You find me the difference between acting like the earth is 5000 years old and acting like history only began with American slavery.

You are just being deliberately obstructive.

The 1619 Project doesn't think history started with American slavery. It's a perspective of US history from the frame of slavery which chose as its start point 1619. You may as well argue a history of the 20th century USA thinks that history only began in 1900 and then ended in 1999, and you'd be equally ridiculous.

The 1619 Project is not a declaration of absolute truth, but a way at at looking at things. Most of history is not about absolute truth (too much is unknown, for a start): this is a concept that you should understand from the saying "History is written by the winners". Many alternative and revisionist histories exist precisely because the perspectives and voices of so many - the poor, marginalised, defeated and weak - were excluded from the traditional narrative of history.

I am not sure why you find the idea of bringing in additional voices so repellent. Except possibly that the winners (and their descendants) tend to be unusually touchy about people coming along later and pointing out that the winners' traditional narrative serves the interests of the winners more than everyone else.

 

[tstorm823]

I am not sure why you find the idea of bringing in additional voices so repellent. Except possibly that the winners (and their descendants) tend to be unusually touchy about people coming along later and pointing out that the winners' traditional narrative serves the interests of the winners more than everyone else.

This is beneath you.

 

[Buyetyen]

They are both completely ahistorical ideas cobbled together for the sole purpose of spite.

So if the US never tried to protect the institution of slavery, why did we fight a civil war over it? You need to grow up and accept the fact that the white people of yesteryear totally fucked up.

This is beneath you.

No dude, he's got you figured out.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

This is beneath you.

"I can't refute your point so I'll just pretend you deliberately insulted me."

 

[Ag3ma]

This is beneath you.

I think it's got more bite than you give it credit for.

You want to call the 1619 Project "spite", but then you also need to take a long, hard look at what long formed the traditional narrative of history, because that can also be described with a wide range of pejoratives.

For instance, what words do you think we could use to describe traditional histories valorising white pioneers and little addressing the slaughter and dispossession of native Americans to make way for them?

 

[Chimpzy]

Utah senator Mike Lee threatening Japan with, well, I don't know, but something



Then this


And then this

 

[Terminal Blue]

Yes. Are they putting the 1619 Project, whose central thesis is that the United States of America were formed specifically to preserve the institution of slavery, an idea straight from the perspective of CRT, into public school curricula? Absolutely, they are.

So, the reason you're pointing that out is because Leslie Harris, one of the academics consulted for the 1619 project, claimed that the New York Times had published this claim despite her objections. The reason she objected to this point was specifically because she felt it was an overstated point that would be used by critics to discredit the report as a whole. You know, that thing you're literally doing. Harris, by the way, is a very outspoken critic of the attempts to remove "critical race theory" (i.e. basic history that isn't deemed sufficiently patriotic) from the school curriculum.

And the worst part is, it's not even like the point is completely wrong. It's just overstated. There was a huge and growing cultural difference between attitudes to slavery in Britain and in the American colonies which were extremely relevant to the wider context of the revolutionary war. Harris' point is that slavery wasn't a "critical factor" in causing the war.

Like, imagine a situation where people are putting the idea that the earth is 5000 years old into science classes.

I know right.

Imagine if people were putting the idea into history classes that the first English settlers to travel to North America were pilgrims fleeing religious persecution..

 

[Baffle]

Utah senator Mike Lee threatening Japan with, well, I don't know, but something

Threatening someone with an uncomfortable settee is it?

(I have no idea what's going on here.)

 

[Hades]

It is exactly the same as creationism. They are both completely ahistorical ideas cobbled together for the sole purpose of spite.

Is spite the sole purpose though? Its a known fact that the American revolution wasn't just prompted by lofty ideals about ''mu freedom!'' but also by great irritation among the American upper class that Britain wasn't as exited about slavery or butchering Natives as they were. The American states were well aware than independence would remove an obstacle towards seizing native lands. Its also a well known fact that most founding father were all too willing to completely abandon most of their ideals just for that sweet slavery money.

Maybe the 1619 project isn't ''spite'' but a much needed straightening of the record after Americans far too long painted their founders as a collection of perfect, benevolent marble men who totally wouldn't betray their ideals for some cash.

this is a concept that you should understand from the saying "History is written by the winners". Many alternative and revisionist histories exist precisely because the perspectives and voices of so many - the poor, marginalised, defeated and weak - were excluded from the traditional narrative of history.

Normally this is true but America in particular decided to switch this around and let the losers write the history books for some bizarre reason. The South was allowed to craft the national narrative about the civil war, deny their own immorality and ruthlessly slander those who defeated them. Also America was all too willing to write themselves as the winner of the war of 1812 even after they lost it and had their capitol sacked.

Though in the particular case of the civil war the south was probably allowed to write the history books as a direct favor to white supremacy.

 

[Chimpzy]

Threatening someone with an uncomfortable settee is it?

(I have no idea what's going on here.)

That Alkonis dude Lee is talking about is a US marine stationed in Japan that hit and killed two people with his car and was convicted by the Japanese court to 3 years for manslaughter. Also, a mormon, like Lee.

So I suppose he's trying to strongarm the PM of Japan into letting return to the US to serve his sentence in a US prison. Considering the US prison system, might be better off in a Japanese prison tho. Or maybe just let the dude off once here.

But then Lee's private account got suspended because they thought it was an impostor account. So Lee used his a senator account to complain to Musk, who I guess promptly got the private account reinstated because Musk will give you the most succulent blowjobs if you're a rightwing cook.