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Fundamentally, people see a very rich and massively tooled-up nation smashing the shit out of poverty-stricken people it dominates in contravention of international law. Act like a tyrant, look like a tyrant. How do the pro-Israel lobby think this is ever going to end? Propaganda only goes so far, because people can very clearly see who has the real power here. There is perhaps an irony in terms of the ADL, because that nice, fluffy, tolerance and respect, anti-imperialist ethos that we've spent decades inculcating in the West (and which the ADL would think to be a part of) is fundamentally opposed to how Israel behaves. Really, if they want to lobby for Israel whilst it wields the whip, they need to get us back into a imperialist mindset of hatred, intolerance and dominance but ensure that Western populations view Israel as one of them not one of the other.

I have a great deal of sympathy for Jews, irrespective of their political orientation, facing antisemitism. Although this is intensely depressing, inevitably the actions of an entity have repercussions for the reputations of those closely associated with it: just consider the outpouring of Islamophobia after Al-Qaida committed 9/11. If they want less antisemitism then the answer is to rein in Israel, because it's the behaviour of Israel that is hammering the global repuation of Jews.
 

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I have a great deal of sympathy for Jews, irrespective of their political orientation, facing antisemitism. Although this is intensely depressing, inevitably the actions of an entity have repercussions for the reputations of those closely associated with it: just consider the outpouring of Islamophobia after Al-Qaida committed 9/11. If they want less antisemitism then the answer is to rein in Israel, because it's the behaviour of Israel that is hammering the global repuation of Jews.
They could also emphasize that the Jewish religion and the state of Israel are very distinct things.

But that is not something the ADL or many other Jewish organisation want to do. Just the opposite. We had them years upon years conflating the two for no other reason than to use all the sympathy the jews got from their history of being suppressed to trump up support for Israel.
 
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They could also emphasize that the Jewish religion and the state of Israel are very distinct things.

But that is not something the ADL or many other Jewish organisation want to do. Just the opposite. We had them years opun years conflating the two for no other reason than to use all the sympathy the jews got from their history of being suppressed to trump up support for Israel.
Which has the knock off effect of promoting anti-semitism as a valid response to grievances of the Israeli government.

Having said that, off course, there's various Jewish groups trying to distance themselves from the Israeli government, and that's a good reason for doing so.
 

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They could also emphasize that the Jewish religion and the state of Israel are very distinct things.

But that is not something the ADL or many other Jewish organisation want to do. Just the opposite. We had them years upon years conflating the two for no other reason than to use all the sympathy the jews got from their history of being suppressed to trump up support for Israel.
There is also another line we need to hammer home

It does not matter if you're a Jew, Congolese, South African, Armenian, Peruvian, Korean, Romani or any other culture

Don't do war crimes
Don't do concentration camps
Don't do genocides
Don't bomb civilians, even with drones.
Also,
Don't ban economic normal liberties
Don't ban migration
Don't ban religions or atheism
Don't ban Freedom of Speech unless it's hate speech

It does not, and never has, mattered which cultures are doing these things. It doesn't matter if you think China, America, UK, Russia or the Eurozone is the best country/region. Don't do it

We aren't disagreeing with Israel because they are Jews. We are disagreeing with them because they've done war crimes and concentration camps
 

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How the fuck do you unpack this?
I don' know, but I do like the idea that white surpremacists seem to have that black DNA is more powerful than white, so if you are one-zillionth part black it's more important that the one 1 - onezillionth part.
 

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I didn't know Liquid Snake is now running a dating site
Oh please, that's an insult to Liquid Snake himself. Give the man some credit, he has more brains than these dumbasses. Even Senator Armstrong or Monsoon (while going on about hatred being a meme) would tell these guys to fuck off.
 

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huh, those are not the rookie numbers I'd initially assumed or hoped for
You know how I keep saying Mike Pence is the one out of the entire Trump administration to keep away from the Oval Office and nuclear football by any means necessary?

This is part of why. This is a fundamental chunk of the terrifying eschatological bullshit Pence believes. That church in Carmel he used to go to, from which he distanced himself before running for President in 2016, is a legitimate Christofascist death cult. That's why it purged its online presence when he announced, it makes the Branch Davidians look like Hare Krishnas.
 
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You know how I keep saying Mike Pence is the one out of the entire Trump administration to keep away from the Oval Office and nuclear football by any means necessary?

This is part of why. This is a fundamental chunk of the terrifying eschatological bullshit Pence believes. That church in Carmel he used to go to, from which he distanced himself before running for President in 2016, is a legitimate Christofascist death cult. That's why it purged its online presence when he announced, it makes the Branch Davidians look like Hare Krishnas.
I'm actually with you on this one. He's described himself as "born-again evangelical Catholic", which is quite certainly not actually Catholic (since those terms are theologically contradictory), and maintaining the "Catholic" part heavily implies the "born-again" part is from the sort of sect that will just lie about their beliefs to try to suck people in.
 

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My church growing up was an evangelical catholic church. Protestants don't have sole access to the word "evangelical"
 
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