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As for Covid. When examining mistakes in regards of handling covid its important to ask why. Why did they get it wrong? Did they get it wrong because its a new virus and they are trying to find their footing? Or because they're dangerously irresponsible.

Take Trump's famous ''Its a flue that's going to go away in the spring!''. Why did he say this? Not because there was anything that pointed to this, but because Trump just didn't want to do anything about it. Even the extremely unlikely scenario of Trump ''just wanting to avoid a panic'' hinges on Trump not wanting to take his responsibility as a leader and try to take the nation by the hand.

But there's something more malicious at hand too. Trump is a demagogue and the key trick of the demagogue is that they trick their base into thinking that they alone have any legitimacy. To the Demagogue they themselves are the sole political entity with legitimacy. That's why fellow politicians, journalists and the courts all need to be broken down, because they are a risk to the demagogue's ''unique'' place in the nation as the only legitimate actor. And this partially explains Trump's opposition and hatred of Fauci. Because if experts have the answers and we need to follow their advice then suddenly the demagogue is NOT the only actor with legitimacy anymore.
 
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You already know the answer to that. You're a smart guy, so you can figure it out. Sucks to be you, if you can't. You might want to go back a few threads. That's all you get.
LMAO, you goal post and I point out your goal post, then you edit it out of when you quote me. Fucking hypocrite.

Yeah but only one side has reason to fear. If Trump keeps mirroring himself after autocrats who dismantle democracy and beat down on democracy then there are good reasons to be afraid what his government will look like. If all politicians of his breed are dangerous then why would Trump alone be any different? Not to mention Trump's well documented history of incompetence and corruption.

And in both cases Trump went above and beyond to show that everyone's fear were justified.

But what's the danger if the Democrats win? That some people who'll need help....get help? And in a milktoast way to boot?

We can say the woman's reaction was over the top but there were valid reasons for her despair. And the Trump presidency would go on to vindicate her. But those people who went to polling polls to fall to their knees and pray when it became clear Trump would lose, or worse the freaks who went to do a coup. What cause did they have for such extreme behavior? That their corrupt disaster president cause any more damage?
Trump was already president and America is still a democracy... What did Trump do during his presidency that was so horrible that one would cry about it?

If democrats win, that means more bad democratic policy. It was the democrats that kept kids out of school for 18 months, not the republicans.

Whoever wins the election isn't that big of a deal either way. It is basically Aliens Vs Predator, "Whoever wins, we lose."


As for Covid. When examining mistakes in regards of handling covid its important to ask why. Why did they get it wrong? Did they get it wrong because its a new virus and they are trying to find their footing? Or because they're dangerously irresponsible.

Take Trump's famous ''Its a flue that's going to go away in the spring!''. Why did he say this? Not because there was anything that pointed to this, but because Trump just didn't want to do anything about it. Even the extremely unlikely scenario of Trump ''just wanting to avoid a panic'' hinges on Trump not wanting to take his responsibility as a leader and try to take the nation by the hand.

But there's something more malicious at hand too. Trump is a demagogue and the key trick of the demagogue is that they trick their base into thinking that they alone have any legitimacy. To the Demagogue they themselves are the sole political entity with legitimacy. That's why fellow politicians, journalists and the courts all need to be broken down, because they are a risk to the demagogue's ''unique'' place in the nation as the only legitimate actor. And this partially explains Trump's opposition and hatred of Fauci. Because if experts have the answers and we need to follow their advice then suddenly the demagogue is NOT the only actor with legitimacy anymore.
The left was saying covid was the flu too... Rachel Maddow on March 2, 2020; "do all the things that protect yourself from getting a cold or from getting the flu" and "[masks] are probably not that smart". Also, why don't you go back and watch Peter Hotez's interview on the Daily Show in March 2020? Very different from his stance that EVERYTHING must be done to limit covid that he STILL has, he literally got mad that people were seeing Barbie and Oppenheimer last summer.



Just because you don't like Trump doesn't mean he wasn't right about things. He ended up being right about masks and schools.
 

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LMAO, you goal post and I point out your goal post, then you edit it out of when you quote me. Fucking hypocrite.


Trump was already president and America is still a democracy... What did Trump do during his presidency that was so horrible that one would cry about it?

If democrats win, that means more bad democratic policy. It was the democrats that kept kids out of school for 18 months, not the republicans.

Whoever wins the election isn't that big of a deal either way. It is basically Aliens Vs Predator, "Whoever wins, we lose."



The left was saying covid was the flu too... Rachel Maddow on March 2, 2020; "do all the things that protect yourself from getting a cold or from getting the flu" and "[masks] are probably not that smart". Also, why don't you go back and watch Peter Hotez's interview on the Daily Show in March 2020? Very different from his stance that EVERYTHING must be done to limit covid that he STILL has, he literally got mad that people were seeing Barbie and Oppenheimer last summer.



Just because you don't like Trump doesn't mean he wasn't right about things. He ended up being right about masks and schools.
Once again you're wrong I'm just about everything. Trump wasn't right about either what you discussed nor that other fool. Heck he actively downplayed mask or said they don't do much of anything. The "if you choose to do so" speech fed to his ponds when they boot him when he even suggested wearing masks.

Once again, you, the ultimate goal poster, downplayer, and dick sucker of your wannabe king, gets it wrong.
 

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Sure, but if you consider Napoleon's saying "An army marches on it's stomach" or Bradley's "Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics", that means JR Majewsky was more important to the war effort than the guys doing the actual fighting.
Qanon already one step ahead of you there: bout midway through trump's presidency and a year of the conspiracy's growth they embraced the label "digital soldiers" - followed by Micheal Flynn embracing it in public communication not long after. Even those awful white maga rappers, they love putting the phrase in their lyrics!
 
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Here's a piece of knowledge that might blow someone's mind.

The CDC recommendations for the Flu is to
A) get vaccinated
B) Quarantine (i.e. take a sick day)
C) wear a mask so you don't spread it

It's been the same recommendation for decades. (((They))) didn't pull random authoritarian ideas together. The recommendations for Covid was just the same as the one for the Flu. Bringing up Maddow's comment just highlights how wrong she was about masks as those two lines someome quoted was contradictory
 

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He was right about neither. Maddow was wrong too
I think literally every other country in the world kept schools open. Cochrane's review demonstrated there's no evidence of masks working.

Once again you're wrong I'm just about everything. Trump wasn't right about either what you discussed nor that other fool. Heck he actively downplayed mask or said they don't do much of anything. The "if you choose to do so" speech fed to his ponds when they boot him when he even suggested wearing masks.

Once again, you, the ultimate goal poster, downplayer, and dick sucker of your wannabe king, gets it wrong.
Again you goal post, you replied to me saying the democrats run on a fear campaign as well. Then, you start talking about covid, which wasn't even a thing in 2016.


Here's a piece of knowledge that might blow someone's mind.

The CDC recommendations for the Flu is to
A) get vaccinated
B) Quarantine (i.e. take a sick day)
C) wear a mask so you don't spread it

It's been the same recommendation for decades. (((They))) didn't pull random authoritarian ideas together. The recommendations for Covid was just the same as the one for the Flu. Bringing up Maddow's comment just highlights how wrong she was about masks as those two lines someome quoted was contradictory
A) When did Trump say not to get vaccinated
B) Take a sick day was not the CDC guideline
“For most persons with COVID-19 illness, isolation and precautions can generally be discontinued 10 days after symptom onset and resolution of fever for at least 24 hours, without the use of fever-reducing medications, and with improvement of other symptoms,” the CDC says.
C) Wear a mask WHEN sick. Where was there ever guidance, let alone MANDATE for healthy people to wear a mask?

Rachel Maddow also said covid has a 2% fatality rate and downplayed that. Do you know how many people would die if that was the case? If 2% of people were dying, you DO NOT just do what you do for the flu.
 

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I think literally every other country in the world kept schools open. Cochrane's review demonstrated there's no evidence of masks working.


Again you goal post, you replied to me saying the democrats run on a fear campaign as well. Then, you start talking about covid, which wasn't even a thing in 2016.



A) When did Trump say not to get vaccinated
B) Take a sick day was not the CDC guideline
“For most persons with COVID-19 illness, isolation and precautions can generally be discontinued 10 days after symptom onset and resolution of fever for at least 24 hours, without the use of fever-reducing medications, and with improvement of other symptoms,” the CDC says.
C) Wear a mask WHEN sick. Where was there ever guidance, let alone MANDATE for healthy people to wear a mask?

Rachel Maddow also said covid has a 2% fatality rate and downplayed that. Do you know how many people would die if that was the case? If 2% of people were dying, you DO NOT just do what you do for the flu.
Nope. That's all been you goal posting again and flipping the script with @Trunkage 100% correct response. You've been doing this crap for a long time.
 

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Yeah but only one side has reason to fear. If Trump keeps mirroring himself after autocrats who dismantle democracy and beat down on democracy then there are good reasons to be afraid what his government will look like. If all politicians of his breed are dangerous then why would Trump alone be any different? Not to mention Trump's well documented history of incompetence and corruption.

And in both cases Trump went above and beyond to show that everyone's fear were justified.

But what's the danger if the Democrats win? That some people who'll need help....get help? And in a milktoast way to boot?

We can say the woman's reaction was over the top but there were valid reasons for her despair. And the Trump presidency would go on to vindicate her. But those people who went to polling polls to fall to their knees and pray when it became clear Trump would lose, or worse the freaks who went to do a coup. What cause did they have for such extreme behavior? That their corrupt disaster president cause any more damage?
A quibble, but there is a lot to fear from the Democrats winning. It's just that the only other option is the GOP winning, in which case those fears are more numerous and magnified.
 

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Nope. That's all been you goal posting again and flipping the script with @Trunkage 100% correct response. You've been doing this crap for a long time.
I posted the facts, they just don't agree with you.

Funny that you don't admit to your own goal posting that you still don't comment on. I don't think you know what goal posting is.
 

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I posted the facts, they just don't agree with you.

Funny that you don't admit to your own goal posting that you still don't comment on. I don't think you know what goal posting is.
Once again, all you. You didn't post a damn thing that's worth actual facts. You either have partial correct, wrong information, or crap that had nothing to do with anything or give credit to somebody who didn't do anything and made things worse. It's only facts for you because you like sucking up to the armchair experts and corrupt people in power. So long as it doesn't effect your sorry butt.
 

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Once again, all you. You didn't post a damn thing that's worth actual facts. You either have partial correct, wrong information, or crap that had nothing to do with anything or give credit to somebody who didn't do anything and made things worse. It's only facts for you because you like sucking up to the armchair experts and corrupt people in power. So long as it doesn't effect your sorry butt.
I literally copy/pasted from the CDC.
 

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Trump was already president and America is still a democracy... What did Trump do during his presidency that was so horrible that one would cry about it?

If democrats win, that means more bad democratic policy. It was the democrats that kept kids out of school for 18 months, not the republicans.
That's not a good argument. The US is still a democracy because Trump failed, not because of lack of trying. You can't claim someone's intend to overthrow democracy was valid just because it didn't work. Other demagogues like Orban or Erdogan didn't topple democracy in their first terms either. These things take time. And when Trump discovered wouldn't be granted this time through a second term he tried to do a coup.

''Bad policy'' is an annoyance but its hardly an existential threat. If its just that it doesn't take away your right and it doesn't dismantle democracy either. Bad politicians and dangerous politicians have overlap but do not have to be the same. If we take Biden at his worst he'd be bad but also harmless in the grand scheme of things. Also practically everything that's bad about Democratic policies is present in far more extreme forms within the Republican party anyway.
 
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That's not a good argument. The US is still a democracy because Trump failed, not because of lack of trying. You can't claim someone's intend to overthrow democracy was valid just because it didn't work. Other demagogues like Orban or Erdogan didn't topple democracy in their first terms either. These things take time. And when Trump discovered wouldn't be granted this time through a second term he tried to do a coup.

''Bad policy'' is an annoyance but its hardly an existential threat. If its just that it doesn't take away your right and it doesn't dismantle democracy either. Bad politicians and dangerous politicians have overlap but do not have to be the same. If we take Biden at his worst he'd be bad but also harmless in the grand scheme of things. Also practically everything that's bad about Democratic policies is present in far more extreme forms within the Republican party anyway.
And how would Trump continue to be president if he were elected again, you can only be president for 2 terms. Also, Trump went through the legal means to contest the voting results; yes, in the most sleazy Trumpian way but still legal means (and he got laughed out of court). The democrats going after Trump for the Russian collusion that was a lie and getting him impeached was not trying to overthrow a democratically elected leader? And if Trump indeed did try a coup, he will not be able to run for president in this election.

OMG, this is the exaggeration and hyperbole that I hate, Trump is not an existential threat. Republicans are the opposite of most bad democratic policy as they usually are basically like "let's not do that".