And, of course, Andrew Wakefield with the MMR vaccine in particular, who invented the vaccines cause autism thing in order to rake in several million a year.
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See I'm not inclined to believe that happened without the German public all dog piling on him like the kid in your friend group that always farted got at sleepovers.
It was actually a float of him, not the actual Musk. Sorry, I should have made that clear. I thought the full thing would show when I posted it.
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Wait, you think measles is harmless?
Well, that explains a lot
I did criticise the old order. The difference is NO ONE IS PUSHING BACK AT ME CLAIMING IT WAS GOOD. They took some advice and changed their messaging. And RFK messaging is getting people killed. No one else in that role intentional has done that. RFK does
You get that this is why Elon has been obsessed with X all along
I seem to remember Phoenixmgs initial definition of harmless being what percentage the disease kills you. (Which is an utter fail on the term harmless)
For example, Covid was harmless because it kills only 1% of the infected. It didn't matter that a stretched hospital sympton quintupled the rate. It didn't matter that the rate of infections meant that more people would be infected than the yearly fly. It didn't matter that Covid killed 600K in 2020, then again in 21, and flu kills about 60 K per year. It didn't matter that the number of Covid deaths was close to the average flu deaths across the world per year. Because it was only 1%, it made Covid as harmless as yearly flu. Millions of people dead is a harmless disease
Wakefield's argument was actually that the MMR shot should be replaced by three individual shots (one of his conflicts of interest revolved around a patent for a single vaccine shot). Thus he was not anti-vax in the strictest sense, as he was still supporting a vaccination program.
Part of me would like to read up more on Wakefield to find out more where he was coming from. As far as I am aware, he has no particular background with the typical anti-vax (e.g. alternative medicine) route. He seems to have come from a conventional route, except he went astray for some reason. But I don't know whether his core motivation was scientific / medical (overfixating on his hypothesis) or economic (exploiting for money). He seems to have been very arrogant, which is often a problem, and obviously he had substantial ethical shortcomings.
That's just the rationalisation.
Ultimately, he thinks it's harmless because it didn't kill him and his: if it's killing other people he doesn't really know, that's their problem.
That's because he's an idiot who believes that if you don't die from a disease, you just return to full health and there can't possibly be any other effects.
True, I'd oversimplified, though I think he doubled down and ended up as an anti-vaxxer due to it all later on.
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Yes, they did AND THEN WE GOT VACCINES WHICH ARE SAFER.
Hardly harmless: The dangerous tradition of ‘pox parties’
Varicella, more commonly known as chickenpox, was previously thought of as a harmless rite of passage for all children. Before the development of an effective vaccine, some parents were known to throw “chickenpox parties.” By exposing their child to the disease at a young age, parents thought...
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Not only is the chickenpox vaccine safer, it also doesn't leave a core of the virus near your spine, ready to spring out and spontaneously cause shingles later in life. But why bother to prevent that, it's only days of intense pain and possible nerve damage. Much better than some *vaccine*
Pox parties were not necessarily a bad idea in their day, in the sense that people would reasonably assume everyone would catch some of these illnesses eventually, so they may as well get it over with. But that logic doesn't hold any more when a vaccine exists: then it becomes needless suffering and risk.Yes, they did AND THEN WE GOT VACCINES WHICH ARE SAFER.
Hardly harmless: The dangerous tradition of ‘pox parties’
Varicella, more commonly known as chickenpox, was previously thought of as a harmless rite of passage for all children. Before the development of an effective vaccine, some parents were known to throw “chickenpox parties.” By exposing their child to the disease at a young age, parents thought...
Although as noted, there are people who think suffering and risk of harm is sort of, I dunno, character building.
They're more like "that's what you deserve for not being a good person like me, because if you were, this wouldn't have happened to you".
What disease isn't fatal with your definition? The flu kills people, is not getting your kid a flu shot child endangerment?
Yeah, they are also known for removing opposing parties from ballots like the democrats did
You're really jumping to conclusions on that. If the government recommends something as important and crucial as a vaccine, you know have to look it up because they fucked up big time last time. It requires no conspiracy theory to double-check their work. If your a parent, you have to check to see of the covid vaccine got slipped into your child's necessary vaccines, you shouldn't have to do that.
The new age, all natural lefties.
My fault on the measles, I thought the fatality rate was lower it was. I wasn't talking about small pox, but chicken pox.
Good intentions doesn't make something right. And people pushing against the covid "narrative" also had good intentions.
RFK Jr has had the job for like a month...
Rachel Maddow said covid was just like the flu and even said that it has a 2% death rate and that's not a big deal (@ 3:02 mark). Does she not understand how many people would die if covid had a 2% death rate? Btw, measles has about a 0.1% death rate in comparison. Funny how the less and less dangerous covid got, the more and more restrictions kept being forced on people. I didn't say we shouldn't do anything, the reason covid kill so many initially is because it was able to spread with people living normally (before anything was done). If you protected the vulnerable and made common sense restrictions like not going to theaters and large gatherings, that would've done the same thing as all the bullshit restrictions put into place. And shutting down society for as long as it took to get a vaccine out there (which was super fast in comparison to previous vaccines) would've killed more people in the end.
I was just pointing how that wasn't considered child endangerment, not that it was the safest option.Yes, they did AND THEN WE GOT VACCINES WHICH ARE SAFER.
Hardly harmless: The dangerous tradition of ‘pox parties’
Varicella, more commonly known as chickenpox, was previously thought of as a harmless rite of passage for all children. Before the development of an effective vaccine, some parents were known to throw “chickenpox parties.” By exposing their child to the disease at a young age, parents thought...
Hey, to be fair, I've had shingles and I got the rashes and everything, but no nerve pain. Which obviously means that the millions of people who get shingles and describe the excruciating pain must be exaggerating and need to get over it, because my personal experience trumps all data. Am I doing this right?