Funny events in anti-woke world

[XsjadoBlaydette]

I'll only give a partial blame to Peterson on this one. Jubilee obfuscated what this debate was about which made two groups of people talk at cross purposes and this is clearly not Peterson's fault. It was Jubilee's .... AND Peterson did his normal 'everyone is allowed to have ideas as long as they don't disagree with me' schtick he has been doing for a long time

are you aware Peterson called in and made jubilee change the title from. "1 Christian" to "Jordan Peterson" afterwards? this is all part of his continuous deception that am still baffled ppl take at face value

Testy Jordan Peterson exchange during Christianity debate viewed 3.4M times

The Canadian psychologist and author refused to say whether he was a Christian in a debate with 20 atheists.

www.newsweek.com

While the video is now entitled Jordan Peterson vs 20 atheists, it is was originally called 1 Christian vs 20 atheists, according to an archived version of the page on WaybackMachine.

trying to get any solid answers out of him is like getting blood from stone, and that's because he knows he can't argue any of his stances on their merits alone, the entire schtick is to be everything and nothing at the same time so you can attack everyone else but they can't attack you while you're shifting between whatever stance is most useful for weaseling out of awkward questioning. one guy got him to finally admit he believed in the resurrection of jesus but it took way more hassle than a simple question and answer should;

Jordan Peterson is sinking into crisis by denying his faith - Catholic Herald

Jordan Peterson’s recent appearance on Jubilee Media’s 1 Christian vs. 20 Atheists (a title that has since been changed for reasons that will become obvious shortly) was not just another clickbait clash of ideologies. It was an unraveling of sorts, one that must be viewed not in isolation, but...

thecatholicherald.com

Peterson’s refusal to be pinned down on this question isn’t noble agnosticism. It’s self-preservation masquerading as mystery. It’s not doubt, not humility – it’s strategic shapeshifting. A calculated hedging of bets. It’s the anxiety of a man who knows that clarity can cost him audience numbers. That conviction draws lines. That once truth is named out loud, there’s no retreat; that you can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube, and you can’t unring a bell.

This fact is not lost on the good doctor, which is why he circles continuously. He clouds. He talks of metaphysical realms and psychological utility. But when self-preservation begins to dictate public behaviour, it becomes a kind of possession in its own right. And it doesn’t turn men into prophets. It turns them into politicians.

Let me be clear: he doesn’t need to be a Christian to be worthy of respect. But he does need to be honest. Especially now, especially when his entire public persona is scaffolded around the Christian tradition. When he breaks into tears over Christ. When he urges men to live biblically. When his lectures edge closer and closer to sermons.

You cannot traffic in sacred meaning without ever stating your own. You cannot sell Christian archetypes while dodging Christian identity. You cannot turn the Bible into content and then refuse to say whether you believe a word of it. That’s not wisdom. That’s not right. You don’t get to bathe in the sacred for profit and then towel off when questioned. That’s cowardice.

The truth is, Peterson has become a preacher for a disenchanted generation. For better or worse, people believe him and look to him for answers. And when those people – broken, angry, searching – ask if he believes, they deserve more than weird word games.

If he said “Yes, I believe,” I’d respect the clarity. If he said “No, I don’t,” I’d respect the courage. If he said “I don’t know,” I’d respect the humility. But the stern-faced sexagenarian doesn’t say any of those things. What he offers instead is a maze of sophistry. You can’t build a church, fill it with seekers, light the candles, hand out hymnals, and then slink into the confessional and duck for cover when asked if you believe.

That’s not humility. That’s abdication. That’s spiritual cowardice. Jordan Peterson has told millions to shoulder the cross, to walk the narrow path and to act in an honest manner. But honesty requires a spine. And right now, all we’re getting is squirming.

There's an element of hindsight in that. Jordan Peterson was, back in the day, a respected academic who wrote a reasonable self-help book for men and had some controversial political views: there was no particular reason to metaphorically slap him silly. It was only later he became nothing but a petty little troll. Intolerance should be reserved for the intolerable, otherwise we're the fascists.

hindsight for some maybe, but for others studying far right tactics, beliefs, rhetoric etc it was not only obvious but intensely frustrating trying to warn ppl. back then I knew far far less while learning on the go with help from more experienced researchers, but still enough to recognise his hysterical bullshit for what it was. let's not forget the whole reason he got famous was through melodramatic claims he's going to be sent to prison for misgendering any of his students if the goddamn communists get their way. and if that wasn't enough, anyone in the media who bothered to even mildly look into his personal history would find attempts to become reactionary RW politician (before he got famous for the trans hysteria) in local elections, alongside regular spouting off about the looming communist far left fascist threat about to take away everyone's freedoms as well as corrupting all education already. in the video above there's footage showing his pretty glaring historical revisionism of Hitler and the holocaust, somehow totally ignored and kicked under the rug all these years also.

to be clear, I'm referring to the media class here in regards to frustration, it was implied their jobs were journalism not surface-level reactionary stenographers for bad faith far right shit-stirrers while coincidentally saving those precious investigative resources for dissecting/dissolving progressive (in the economic sense) activists they can't just comfortably ignore anymore - mainstream legacy speaking, hashtag notallmedia and all that jazz of course. but how many financially insecure ppl really get to read the private eye these days?

 

[Hades]

it was not only obvious but intensely frustrating trying to warn ppl

Oh its far more frustrating now. Just look at the US where everyone warned them about Trump being a far right extremist at best and a fascist at worst. The response was that even people outside the deranged cult, the supposedly reasonable center went ''Yeah we know and we know its bad but we just don't WANT to stop him from coming to power''.

But there's also Poland where the voters deliberately voted for a far right criminal president who they knew would deadlock parliament for years. Or Britain where everyone agreed Brexit failed but the voters still think trusting mister Brexit will work out THIS time.

The dangers are far clearer now yet the public is about trice as unwilling to listen to reason. There's always some excuse why voting for, or at least allowing the far right extremist to win is preferable to voters just doing their duty.

 

[BrawlMan]

Trump Deploys National Guard
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[Agema]

Oh its far more frustrating now. Just look at the US where everyone warned them about Trump being a far right extremist at best and a fascist at worst. The response was that even people outside the deranged cult, the supposedly reasonable center went ''Yeah we know and we know its bad but we just don't WANT to stop him from coming to power''.

Stop Trump coming to power how, exactly? He won a democratic vote. Twice, even if the first time by a quirk of the electoral system despite being narrowly behind on the popular vote.

What does anyone think should be done? Media and plenty of the "centre" were not exactly shy about pointing out Trump was a liar, fraudster; that he was temperamentally unsound, authoritarian and corrupt. Not only did this fail to move Trump supporters against Trump, if anything it decreased the credibility of those entities with Trump supporters. (If they even noticed, because plenty were probably not even accessing non-right media to see Trump called that.) The same goes for all those far right guys in Europe. I'm not sure it matters what the left or centre say about those candidates. Their supporters aren't listening or don't care.

There's lots of finger wagging and blame, but the reality is that no-one has an answer. Otherwise someone would have put that answer into effect.

 

[Gordon_4]

I know old article but why are conservatives like this...

Dutton jokes about rising sea levels in Pacific

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton is facing a backlash over a quip about the plight of Pacific Island nations facing rising seas from climate change.

www.abc.net.au

In Peter Dutton's case its because he's a classless ponce with the social graces of a potty.

 

[Hades]

Stop Trump coming to power how, exactly? He won a democratic vote. Twice, even if the first time by a quirk of the electoral system despite being narrowly behind on the popular vote.

For the simplest action: simply vote against him which is a low bar many absolutely failed to clear. Project 25 was public knowledge, as were Trump's crimes, disloyalty and inability to govern. But despite knowing this a lot in the center and even the left prefered sleepwalking into this rather than vote against Trump. Even many who conceded Trump and project 25 were bad didn't seem very motivated to vote against him, and as it turned out many didn't.

Its not just about Trump's supporters but the wider electorate beyond them. Because its not like America was united against Trump and his supporters. People not in the cult begrudgingly voted for Trump through gritted teeth(for some reason), people on the left sat things out and undecideds also came out for Trump.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

OK. So to be clear, you believe the cast of any adaptation of The Little Mermaid should exclusively feature people likely to be in 1800s Netherlands? So no American accents, for instance, and no Jamaican singing crab.



Let's see an example of a federal agency under any other administration publishing AI slop.



Lol sure.

Hate to tell you this, but r/mildlyinfuriating is a karma farm. Almost everything on there is bunk, fake stories to whip up engagement and get reddit awards.

And that Alpha News article is just horseshit. The department "seems to recommend"... no, no it doesn't.

I was talking about Snow White.

CDC sometimes uses GenAI (generative artificial intelligence) to help create content for the public.

CDC.gov & Generative Artificial Intelligence | Other | CDC

Diseases and Conditions information from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.cdc.gov

So you think kids went out of their way to pose for those pictures? Or are they all photoshopped too? This is all fake?

Band students adapting to wearing masks while playing

With the return to school during an ongoing pandemic, music classes have been faced with difficult decisions for young scholars and their instructors. Could students make music together while remaining socially separate? Or would teachers have to come up with new ways to help their students...

phspawprint.org

 

[Agema]

For the simplest action: simply vote against him which is a low bar many absolutely failed to clear. Project 25 was public knowledge, as were Trump's crimes, disloyalty and inability to govern. But despite knowing this a lot in the center and even the left prefered sleepwalking into this rather than vote against Trump. Even many who conceded Trump and project 25 were bad didn't seem very motivated to vote against him, and as it turned out many didn't.

Its not just about Trump's supporters but the wider electorate beyond them. Because its not like America was united against Trump and his supporters. People not in the cult begrudgingly voted for Trump through gritted teeth(for some reason), people on the left sat things out and undecideds also came out for Trump.

If the Democrats have crossed a line with a voter, that voter will punish them - vote Republican, vote other, not vote. It's actually a big ask to expect that voter to swallow their bitterness and back a party that has seriously angered them.

I think you possibly underestimate how little huge numbers of voters know about politics. They're voting on vibes, and generalisations, and vague, woolly concepts. Project 2025 means nothing to them. They don't hold that level of detail, and they'll switch off if you try to tell them. This represents a vast quantity of voters all all types: Some of them are deeply committed political fanatics, because their fanaticism obviates their need to know stuff.

There's also a huge cynicism about politics. They're all liars. They don't carry out their manifestos, etc. So when you try to hang a politician on something like Project 2025, what do they care? Trump's just a blowhard, the manifesto is the same load of empty promises, nothing is really going to change, etc., because that's what happens every time. You can say about Trump 1 that despite the mountain of Covid dead (which he might not be blamed for despite contributing to), shitty policy and bullshit, the USA came out the far end basically okay. As Republicans pump, when Trump was in charge first time round the economy grew (covid excepted) and nobody started a major war. Sure, that's coincidence rather than competence, but to millions out there, it holds weight that Trump's not going to fuck up the stuff that really matters.

 

[Eacaraxe]

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I just gotta throw this out here.

Watts and Rodney King this is not. Even if -- even if -- the footage being shown all over right-wing media was of 2025, and they weren't lying their asses off showing footage from 2020...so fucking what. It's a couple burnt cars and thrown rocks, that's like a slow Tuesday afternoon by LA standards from what I understand. I've seen wilder shit on the news from when the Lakers win the championship.

So really, the real question here is...how big of a chickenhawk pussy do you have to be to seriously think the Guard, let alone the Marines, are remotely appropriate for the situation? Yes I'm entirely aware this isn't about necessity at all but rather testing waters for a declaration of martial law (with a dash of "distract from the Epstein allegations" on the side), but the question stands: taking the situation on its face, exactly what level of heretofore unimagined level of micro-dick energy does it take to get us to this point?

[In case I'm not clear, forget the fascism allegations however true. That shit doesn't work against fascists. Hit them on the level they understand, to which they will overreact and bare their whole ass: insulting their masculinity. If you don't think it works, look no further than the whole TACO thing.]

 

[Silvanus]

I was talking about Snow White.

K. So adaptations of Snow White should exclusively feature people common in 1810s Germany, presumably? No American accents etc.

CDC sometimes uses GenAI (generative artificial intelligence) to help create content for the public.

CDC.gov & Generative Artificial Intelligence | Other | CDC

Diseases and Conditions information from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.cdc.gov

Yes, generative AI is often used for content, and this isn't hugely controversial. "AI slop" refers to when AI is allowed to wholly fabricate false information, which is then published without any correction or check.

Has the CDC's use of AI resulted in fabricated sources, for example?

So you think kids went out of their way to pose for those pictures? Or are they all photoshopped too? This is all fake?

Band students adapting to wearing masks while playing

With the return to school during an ongoing pandemic, music classes have been faced with difficult decisions for young scholars and their instructors. Could students make music together while remaining socially separate? Or would teachers have to come up with new ways to help their students...

phspawprint.org

The picture you originally posted was a photoshop. The photo you posted afterwards was just a hole cut in a mask, from a karma-farm subreddit, and had noone in it.

That article shows specially adapted masks that create a seal around the instrument, apparently, which isn't the same thing.

 

[BrawlMan]

Watts and Rodney King this is not. Even if -- even if -- the footage being shown all over right-wing media was of 2025, and they weren't lying their asses off showing footage from 2020...so fucking what. It's a couple burnt cars and thrown rocks, that's like a slow Tuesday afternoon by LA standards from what I understand. I've seen wilder shit on the news from when the Lakers win the championship.

It doesn't matter, if it is or isn't to these Republicans (though will try always go for it is when involving brown people), they'll use pathetic manipulation tactics to paint immigrants or those different from them
to be villains, or bad people. They want to intentionally start shit to paint their false narrative. The fact some people (especially those in a position of power) are buying this or want to believe that shows how much of a problem it is. Even though LA has seen or suffered worse. It's still bullshit and it needs to be called out for what it is.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

K. So adaptations of Snow White should exclusively feature people common in 1810s Germany, presumably? No American accents etc.



Yes, generative AI is often used for content, and this isn't hugely controversial. "AI slop" refers to when AI is allowed to wholly fabricate false information, which is then published without any correction or check.

Has the CDC's use of AI resulted in fabricated sources, for example?



The picture you originally posted was a photoshop. The photo you posted afterwards was just a hole cut in a mask, from a karma-farm subreddit, and had noone in it.

That article shows specially adapted masks that create a seal around the instrument, apparently, which isn't the same thing.

Snow White definitely shouldn't be a latina and you shouldn't have black, asian, latino, and white guards in the kingdom (or any kingdom before modern times).

So the CDC director themselves wholly fabricating false information is OK because the CDC director is on Team Blue?

I posted another news site as well besides just the reddit site. So you think wearing masks while playing instruments is following the science? It's literally covid bullshit.

 

[Silvanus]

So the CDC director themselves wholly fabricating false information is OK because the CDC director is on Team Blue?

I've just asked you for what information was wholly fabricated by the CDC's use of AI, and am waiting for the example. Of course its not fine if it happened. But you haven't shown that-- you're still just deflecting from RFK Jr signing off on AI slop.

I posted another news site as well besides just the reddit site. So you think wearing masks while playing instruments is following the science? It's literally covid bullshit.

You posted another article which showed specially adapted masks that feature a seal, not just holes cut into masks. You still haven't provided a single actual example of the thing you were originally complaining about, which you still insist was real.

 

[Kwak]

ICE agents are stuck with deportees in a military base in Djibouti in what are being described as "inhumane conditions".

ICE agents stranded in Africa: What to know

Agents and detainees are now confined in a makeshift detention center in a shipping container facing risks from disease, and warnings of potential attacks.

www.newsweek.com

See, this would be okay if it was happening to brown people, but now it's happening to God's beloved, white Americans! This must be stopped!

May they shit themselves to death.

 

[Trunkage]

Pretty much no-one here thinks Peterson is anything less than a c**t, and there's was plenty of that showing in ~2015, too. But acting like he should never have got the time of day back then is not consistent with believing in a free and fair society where people get to speak up and where we engage differences of opinion with reasoned discussion. It is part of the complexity of life that as well as being a c**t, as a psychologist he knew his stuff and wrote a reasonable book that got him a lot of attention.

What specifically do you think people did to Peterson?
How was that different from how Peterson treated them?

 

[Trunkage]

Snow White definitely shouldn't be a latina and you shouldn't have black, asian, latino, and white guards in the kingdom (or any kingdom before modern times).

Latinos are white, based on a definition YOU provided from the CDC. Disney is just following that definition

 

[Trunkage]

If the Democrats have crossed a line with a voter, that voter will punish them - vote Republican, vote other, not vote. It's actually a big ask to expect that voter to swallow their bitterness and back a party that has seriously angered them.

I think you possibly underestimate how little huge numbers of voters know about politics. They're voting on vibes, and generalisations, and vague, woolly concepts. Project 2025 means nothing to them. They don't hold that level of detail, and they'll switch off if you try to tell them. This represents a vast quantity of voters all all types: Some of them are deeply committed political fanatics, because their fanaticism obviates their need to know stuff.

There's also a huge cynicism about politics. They're all liars. They don't carry out their manifestos, etc. So when you try to hang a politician on something like Project 2025, what do they care? Trump's just a blowhard, the manifesto is the same load of empty promises, nothing is really going to change, etc., because that's what happens every time. You can say about Trump 1 that despite the mountain of Covid dead (which he might not be blamed for despite contributing to), shitty policy and bullshit, the USA came out the far end basically okay. As Republicans pump, when Trump was in charge first time round the economy grew (covid excepted) and nobody started a major war. Sure, that's coincidence rather than competence, but to millions out there, it holds weight that Trump's not going to fuck up the stuff that really matters.

Just a quibble. Trump 1 took a while to get started. The position of the economy in Jan 2020 as we are now; teetering on recession. Covid saved Trump's political career and, in a weird way, benefitted the economy

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I've just asked you for what information was wholly fabricated by the CDC's use of AI, and am waiting for the example. Of course its not fine if it happened. But you haven't shown that-- you're still just deflecting from RFK Jr signing off on AI slop.



You posted another article which showed specially adapted masks that feature a seal, not just holes cut into masks. You still haven't provided a single actual example of the thing you were originally complaining about, which you still insist was real.

So you gave up defending Snow White bullshit?

One of the things, she was actually right about. Also, she said masks were better than vaccines and lied about myocarditis.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check

This is fake too?

Latinos are white, based on a definition YOU provided from the CDC. Disney is just following that definition

You said they ain't.

 

[Silvanus]

So you gave up defending Snow White bullshit?

I gave up arguing with you about it, since you weren't directly answering my question.

One of the things, she was actually right about. Also, she said masks were better than vaccines and lied about myocarditis.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check

What's the lie, then? This is more inaccurate and deceitful than completely making up 7 studies?

This is fake too?

This Canadian band, who aren't following any official guidance in what they're doing? No, it doesn't look fake. It also doesn't look particularly significant-- just an early and somewhat useless effort.

 

[thebobmaster]

RFK Jr. cuts 17 CDC vaccine advisers in complete overhaul

The dismissals mark Rober F. Kennedy Jr.'s latest controversial move since assuming leadership at HHS.

www.newsweek.com

Don't worry, we're in good hands.