So everyone who commits a crime gets to be deported, I don't agree. There is this guy who was deported for having health issues because he got shot, and got PTSD. For serving our country. He gave more than he took, and that's such an absurd way of looking at it.
Sae Joon Park's surprise video appearance at last week's Congressional hearing sheds light on how veterans are getting caught in the Trump administration's immigration crackdown web.
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Also, forcing US citizen children to leave with their undocumented parents is not the argument win you think it is. Also there have been US citizens deported we just don't know how many, but it's 0.
People going to hearings to petition a court can be deported. - Which they shouldn't, as they are following the law and rules.
Permanent residents can be deported.
Yes, if they commit a crime, but people have been deported for wrongthink and free speech, despite being constitutionally protected.
knightcolumbia.org
Also, the absurdity of well, they committed a crime, would you deport someone for jaywalking or using weed? That seems weird and absurd. We need nuance.
'If you'd like easier ways of having legal standing in the US, feel free to advocate for that. Advocating that we just sort of ignore the laws is not sensible. '
No, but the laws didn't say we should have quotas, and there's usually some discretion; there's a law in my state that says funding schools using property taxes is unconstitutional from our state supreme court, and state republicans in the legislature are currently ignoring it. I guess they should be jailed, would you agree?
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'You say that in the middle of a scandal where large numbers of people from Somalia created fake social services to accept literal billions in federal funds, some of which went to fund Al-Shabaab. The arguments for immigrants being better only work when immigration laws are enforced and then those who do choose to come are basically left to their own devices. If people are allowed in indiscriminately, there's no reason to expect them to be more economically dynamic than anyone else. If they are coddled by government agencies, there's no necessity driving them to become more productive. Like, there are statistics on the lack of crime committed by immigrants, but that's cause they are avoiding deportation orders. If you stop deporting immigrants when they commit crimes, why would you expect them to continue committing fewer crimes? '
'You are arguing to overturn the status quo of the last century based on the good results of the status quo of the last century. Immigrants to America have been such a boon in part because they are deliberately restricted and can be deported if they act up. We've kept out most of the worst, and gotten rid of them when they sneak in, and that leaves you with an honest, hard-working population. '
The US literally had de facto open borders via ships, and while you could argue many of those people in ships could die, and that was a high barrier to entry, many people right now can't afford a plane ticket, let alone the paperwork needed, let alone plan a trip from South America or Central America to the US. Both are risky, high-barrier activities.
Restricted, yes, but we were more open than almost all of the world. Also, how is hopping a border but committing no other crime but that of acting up?
We've kept out most of the worst. No, we let in people who were suffering from a famine, not exactly something that makes you seemly smart and dynamic, and likely to contribute that much at first glance. I argue that if you don't have most of Maslow's hierarchy of needs fulfilled at the lower level, you aren't going to be even middle of the pack without help. Since calories count fuel the brain, which fuels executive function, which enables you to do your job, and live a productive life.
What we really did was not let people in the global south, aka what was called then the third world or undeveloped world. People from low-GDP-per-capita countries generally, but one of the times we did do that with the Irish, we found great long-term success.
You say that in the middle of a scandal where large numbers of people from Somalia created fake social services to accept literal billions in federal funds, some of which went to fund Al-Shabaab.
My former country, the People's Republic of China, used to be poorer than many landlocked African nations, which were bottom of the pack in HDI and GDP. India was this as well. People change, countries grow stronger, and we need their talent. Also 99% of people from Somalia are not funding Al-Shabaab; some people go/fund/do whatever to help countries of the US, like Russia, and China, both of which are greater threats than Trump's list of bad countries. Better kick out every Russian, Chinese in the tech, medical, and other sectors contributing to the economy. Or make quotas to deport them, that's a great idea.
As for Somalia-Americans being on public assistance in beginning many recent immigrants are on public assistance until they find a good job or their children do. I was one of them, as were many friends and family who later stopped doing it, and their children pursued great degrees and got great jobs, and they contribute more to society than they take in. I make okay money, so I am no longer using Medicaid, unlike when I first came here.
'They aren't fascists, you're all just paranoid. '
In this modern age, most political leaders who are media trained won't straight up say I want a racial ethno state, death camps, concentration camps, and the elimination of every single political freedom. Unless you're Nick Fuentes.
They slice salami like the Soviet Union, and China does. A media company brought by an ally of a single ruler today, a freedom-degraded another day. It gets worse and worse.
When the one-child policy was imposed on my family in China, like many others, and the state family planning organization of the PRC aborted my elder brother and sister and forced my mom's hand, there was no accountability for their actions later on. Later on, the same officials and leaders die, and we still don't have any accountability, but the same dictatorial institutions remain. Once these institutions get entrenched, it's very hard to destroy them, and they happen very slowly, or during a crisis or a combo of both. But they always start with small actions that lead to something worse down the line.
