So what your saying is, I get to become a genius werewolf with super powers ... dude is that even a moral question?
Furry Morality Question
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Is the moral question, "is it alright to make people into furries for the betterment of mankind ?" then no it's not okay.
Turning people into human animal hybrids kind of removes them from the human species wouldn't it ?
We might as well create autonomous robots and let them inhabit our planet in our stead.
And what of the conflict it would cause, wars fought over ever scarcer resources with plain none furry humans as the losers.
I can see people being forced to take the serum because it would make them better and forcing them to pay for the serum through slave labour.
But worse of all would be the people who start harrassing you because they're human furry lovers, touching your tail, petting your fur, groping your ears and not being able to rip them apart with your claws.
I'm just saying, being a furry might make you a magnet for fat nerdy zoophiles who will follow you home.
Is the moral question, "is it alright to make people into furries for the betterment of mankind ?" then no it's not okay.
Turning people into human animal hybrids kind of removes them from the human species wouldn't it ?
We might as well create autonomous robots and let them inhabit our planet in our stead.
And what of the conflict it would cause, wars fought over ever scarcer resources with plain none furry humans as the losers.
I can see people being forced to take the serum because it would make them better and forcing them to pay for the serum through slave labour.
But worse of all would be the people who start harrassing you because they're human furry lovers, touching your tail, petting your fur, groping your ears and not being able to rip them apart with your claws.
I'm just saying, being a furry might make you a magnet for fat nerdy zoophiles who will follow you home.
Well thats assuming that humans don't have any of this already I have you forgotten that we are animals already, just another group of mammals. We have alpha males, our presidents, kings, queens, prime ministers.AdamRBi said:
Also not all animasl follow the same social patterns. Meerkats have a rather socialist group structure. Wolves tend to live alone and sometimes group in packs for a time. Most human behaviour is due to society and upbrining. Humans have the potential for language, doesn't mean we will learn it though.
The idea of human-animal hybrids has been floating around for a while now (Focus did a article on this about a year ago at least) and there are some cases of people acting on these theories (key gorrila penis replacements for men)
Bottom line: Who wouldn't want to be Hank Mccoy (a.k.a Beast) the blue furred genius (we also happens to be preety popular with the ladies post furrifaction).
Why do you think the moral issue is with the furry bit?
This just takes class issues and makes them worse by literally making those with more money more powerful. It's basically transhumanism without giving a shit about furthering mankind as one group. I'd take the serum - if it was given to people freely, or at a cost that is affordable by all.
This just takes class issues and makes them worse by literally making those with more money more powerful. It's basically transhumanism without giving a shit about furthering mankind as one group. I'd take the serum - if it was given to people freely, or at a cost that is affordable by all.
First of all, let me answer this simple question with a simple answer: Yes. I would take that serum. EVERY. DAMN. TIME. The ability to gain more knowledge and strength than damn near everyone is a skill that when given to most anyone, they would take it. Having more knowledge and strength than everyone means you are unstoppable, and unbeatable. No matter what side effect, you would simply be able to find a reversal to the effect using your now vast limits of knowledge. No matter what, more knowledge is better than less knowledge. There would be some inconveniences at first, such as the no appose-able thumbs part, but soon enough, a device would be made either by you or someone else to fix this problem.
Moving on to the second problem I see, is the choice of animal. Some people have been saying if they could become this animal or that animal then yes, they would take the serum. But they haven't really asked "Why CAN'T they make the serum turn me into that type of animal?". If this serum were to exist at all, then they would be able to add the DNA of the animal you would be a hybrid of (I'm going to use a pangolin in the further examples I use, simply because that is the animal I would chose to turn into, due to physical factors about it that would increase chances of survival.). But this leads to the third problem...
That which being how many traits do I get from my animal of choice, and how fast do the changes take to appear? This is the main problem of the serum, that which being the inherited traits. Assuming that the DNA for this serum would be taken from different animals, it would be hard if not near impossible to control the dominant and recessive sex genes.
I say it's near impossible because of the fact that we require a high-powered microscope to see chromosomes, and edit them to change their genes they pass on is explicably difficult. While I am absolutely certain it is possible it would cost a lot of money. Over time it would become cheaper, so that problem is eliminated. The problem I see with the genes is that it determines everything, and that means body build, how your limbs form, whether or not you get to keep those nifty thumbs.
In conclusion, yes, I would take the serum, there are some problems that would need to be fixed, but if you took the serum, you would probably be able to have the intelligence to fix them.
Moving on to the second problem I see, is the choice of animal. Some people have been saying if they could become this animal or that animal then yes, they would take the serum. But they haven't really asked "Why CAN'T they make the serum turn me into that type of animal?". If this serum were to exist at all, then they would be able to add the DNA of the animal you would be a hybrid of (I'm going to use a pangolin in the further examples I use, simply because that is the animal I would chose to turn into, due to physical factors about it that would increase chances of survival.). But this leads to the third problem...
That which being how many traits do I get from my animal of choice, and how fast do the changes take to appear? This is the main problem of the serum, that which being the inherited traits. Assuming that the DNA for this serum would be taken from different animals, it would be hard if not near impossible to control the dominant and recessive sex genes.
In every animal, human, fish, what have you there are specific hereditary genes, Dominant and Recessive. For simplicity and correctness in the lesson I will be teaching, I shall use B for Dominant Genes and b for Recessive Genes.
In the semen/sperm of a human there are 13 chromosomes. For a fertile sperm egg to be made, these need to match up in specific ways. When paired, the semen/sperm combo will have 26 chromosomes, enough for the fertile egg to be made and offspring to conceived. Inside of each of these separate pairs of 13 chromosomes, there are genes. These determine everything about you, from height to weight to metabolism to hair and eye color. I'll use eye color in my example, seeing as how it's fairly simple.
In the chromosomes, the Brown eye color is the B and the Blue eye color is b. When two different sets of chromosomes come from two people (Person A's parents traits for eye color were BB and Bb) they make Person A, whose eye color trait is BB, meaning that there are two dominant traits for Brown eye color. Person B (Parents had bb and Bb traits(Person B's eye color traits are Bb) comes and mates with Person A. the chromosome pairings come, and the trait pairing for Child A is and always will be BB. This is due to the fact that both parents passed on one Dominant Trait. If, however, the pairings had been bb and Bb for Child A, the trait will be Bb, where depending on which trait powers out, Child A either has Brown or Blu eyes.
Now I realize I didn't explain this lesson to well, for the sole reason that this is by far one of the most complicated things in science. Essentially, the dominant-recessive trait aspect I talked about above applies to everything, race, gender, your appearance, body shape, all of it. I chose eye color simply because it is the easiest and there are far less possibilities and pairings and combinations to talk about. If I'd chosen any other trait that is chosen by these genes, I'd have had to have written a 10 page article about it. This was simply the easiest way to teach this.
In the semen/sperm of a human there are 13 chromosomes. For a fertile sperm egg to be made, these need to match up in specific ways. When paired, the semen/sperm combo will have 26 chromosomes, enough for the fertile egg to be made and offspring to conceived. Inside of each of these separate pairs of 13 chromosomes, there are genes. These determine everything about you, from height to weight to metabolism to hair and eye color. I'll use eye color in my example, seeing as how it's fairly simple.
In the chromosomes, the Brown eye color is the B and the Blue eye color is b. When two different sets of chromosomes come from two people (Person A's parents traits for eye color were BB and Bb) they make Person A, whose eye color trait is BB, meaning that there are two dominant traits for Brown eye color. Person B (Parents had bb and Bb traits(Person B's eye color traits are Bb) comes and mates with Person A. the chromosome pairings come, and the trait pairing for Child A is and always will be BB. This is due to the fact that both parents passed on one Dominant Trait. If, however, the pairings had been bb and Bb for Child A, the trait will be Bb, where depending on which trait powers out, Child A either has Brown or Blu eyes.
Now I realize I didn't explain this lesson to well, for the sole reason that this is by far one of the most complicated things in science. Essentially, the dominant-recessive trait aspect I talked about above applies to everything, race, gender, your appearance, body shape, all of it. I chose eye color simply because it is the easiest and there are far less possibilities and pairings and combinations to talk about. If I'd chosen any other trait that is chosen by these genes, I'd have had to have written a 10 page article about it. This was simply the easiest way to teach this.
In conclusion, yes, I would take the serum, there are some problems that would need to be fixed, but if you took the serum, you would probably be able to have the intelligence to fix them.
They do it on that basis without the serum too, so heck -Harkwell said:
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OT: Well it depends what the exact side effects are and how useful the serum is overall. I'd just have to judge on full facts ;P
OP is describing a fairly common furry story arc.
Honestly, I'm weird enough as it is and actually they way that OP describes it as being more a sports suplament/enhancer I could see a lot of jocks I know actually taking that.
Meaning being a 'real' furry may actually become mainstream.
Heh, imagaine what the Olympics would look like.
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Honestly, I'm weird enough as it is and actually they way that OP describes it as being more a sports suplament/enhancer I could see a lot of jocks I know actually taking that.
Meaning being a 'real' furry may actually become mainstream.
Heh, imagaine what the Olympics would look like.
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)it would likely become a banned substance for the olympics, they dont even let you have a booster of red blood cells, this would be like hacksChrono212 said:OP is describing a fairly common furry story arc.
Honestly, I'm weird enough as it is and actually they way that OP describes it as being more a sports suplament/enhancer I could see a lot of jocks I know actually taking that.
Meaning being a 'real' furry may actually become mainstream.
Heh, imagaine what the Olympics would look like.
I have not forgotten, dear poster. But really in what ways would Meerkat genetics introduced into our system be beneficial?alrekr said:
Actually that's a good question, what animal parts would we grow? And why would I want a gorilla penis?
Well that's beside the point, what's important is that we human animals appear to be more in control of our animal urges and in some ways are, but not entirely. Introduction of a syrum that can potentially offset ingenuity for intelligence would weaken our control over those urges and it'd bee soon that we'd be unable to be civil about matters.
Presidential debates would be more interesting though.
Awww...but think about all the shark people!Mr Smiles said:it would likely become a banned substance for the olympics, they dont even let you have a booster of red blood cells, this would be like hacksChrono212 said:OP is describing a fairly common furry story arc.
Honestly, I'm weird enough as it is and actually they way that OP describes it as being more a sports suplament/enhancer I could see a lot of jocks I know actually taking that.
Meaning being a 'real' furry may actually become mainstream.
Heh, imagaine what the Olympics would look like.
Always having to move and unable to breath above water! X3
It does seem that way though, although technology (like those swimsuits) seems to be okish.
That depends. If it's only stuff like cat ears or a tail, then yes, I'm pretty sure I would do that.
Anything more than that (which "furry" does kind of imply) and I would most likely decline and wait for transhumanism to come up with something different.
Also, would that change other things, like color/night vision or reproductive behavior? Because being color blind or going in heat and such don't sound like much fun to me.
Anything more than that (which "furry" does kind of imply) and I would most likely decline and wait for transhumanism to come up with something different.
Also, would that change other things, like color/night vision or reproductive behavior? Because being color blind or going in heat and such don't sound like much fun to me.
I'm with Internet Kraken,Internet Kraken said:
We need to make this real immediately and get everyone on board!
Walrus tusks for all!
I wouldn't be so fast to assume this. What you described was universally useful - any resentment would more likely be driven by jealousy than by some hatred for these "furries". I'm sure religious groups would be up in arms about some essentialist "humanity" nonsense, but that's true of pretty much anything.Harkwell said:
Assuming it was known to be safe, of course I'd agree to it.