Furry Morality Question

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Vidi Kitty

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Internet Kraken said:
And I'd say if you're changing you're appearance in such a massive way, you have problems. This goes beyond anything that exists currently in our society. You are literally becoming a different species just becuase you want to be "different". There's nothing wrong with trying to be an individual, but genetic modification is the horribly wrong way to go about doing it.
And where is the problem if you are not being forced to do the same or remotely threatened by those who make the change any more than people you walk past on the street now?
 

The_Blue_Rider

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I probably wouldnt, but if such a serum was made id pretend it was some sort of Shonen anime with me trying to best opponents that should be far far more capable than me.

[small]and me dying horribly for overestimating my abilities[/small]
 

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Vidi Kitty said:
Internet Kraken said:
A rational person who sees the obvious dangers that will come from letting people completley altar their genes in such a massive way.
You seem to think that we are talking about people who want to can make themselves into an unstoppable murder machine or completely dominate sport B.

People would still be flesh and blood and... people. No matter what someone will do something wrong with anything that that they can.
Except they wouldn't be? When you take this serum you are no longer a person. You are a hybrid. If it possible to become a hybrid then obviously genetic modifications are so advanced that far more dangerous things can also be done with them. And a society that lets people heavily modify their genes for trivial reasons is one that is setting itself up for disaster. We can't just let people modify themselves in such drastic ways. Far to many potential problems come from it.
artanis_neravar said:
I am a completely rational person and where you see obvious dangers, I see obvious benefits
When you are saying you'd become a hybrid, I question how rational you truly are. In any case the dangers far outweigh the benefits.

Vidi Kitty said:
And where is the problem if you are not being forced to do the same or remotely threatened by those who make the change any more than people you walk past on the street now?
Because I am forced to interact with these people. I find it shocking that furries are surprised when people "discriminate" against them. If you are going to become and and like animal, how could you not expect people to treat you like one?
 

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Internet Kraken said:
Vidi Kitty said:
Internet Kraken said:
A rational person who sees the obvious dangers that will come from letting people completley altar their genes in such a massive way.
You seem to think that we are talking about people who want to can make themselves into an unstoppable murder machine or completely dominate sport B.

People would still be flesh and blood and... people. No matter what someone will do something wrong with anything that that they can.
Except they wouldn't be? When you take this serum you are no longer a person. You are a hybrid. If it possible to become a hybrid then obviously genetic modifications are so advanced that far more dangerous things can also be done with them. And a society that lets people heavily modify their genes for trivial reasons is one that is setting itself up for disaster. We can't just let people modify themselves in such drastic ways. Far to many potential problems come from it.
artanis_neravar said:
Internet Kraken said:
Ryengu said:
A) This is hypothetical, meaning we can toss out what ties to reality we need to in order to have fun with the question B) Furry is not a sexual fetish by nature (even if some people use it for that), it just means someone identifies with an anthro character as a representative self, like a game avatar.
I think if someone is going to change their body permanently so that they appear as a hybrid, it goes beyond merely identifying with them in works of fiction. It'd be like me changing myself to look like a squid just becuase I like them. At that point it becomes mentally troubling.

artanis_neravar said:
I am a completely rational person and where you see obvious dangers, I see obvious benefits
When you are saying you'd become a hybrid, I question how rational you truly are. In any case the dangers far outweigh the benefits.
When you are saying you wouldn't be a hybrid, I question how rational you truly are. I think the benefits crush the dangers
 

KoalaKid

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I'd do it if I got to pick the animal and the abilities.

A question to the people that say they wouldn't because of possible discrimination: should we really be limiting ourselves because it may offend idiots? that's like saying there shouldn't have been a civil rights movement because it made the racists angry and cause social distress.
 

JMeganSnow

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You'd save a bundle on clothes, that's for sure. I'd do it--probably look better covered in hair. It'd be hot in the summer though. Maybe I'd see if they could combine me with a dolphin or otter or something and go swimming a lot.
 

triggrhappy94

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So many possiblities....
Wings?
The ability to jump far?
Being able to climb almost completely smooth surfaces?
Super strength?
The ability to regenerate body parts?
...All of the above
 

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Hmmn... I'ma gonna lable this one as 'proformance enhanceing drugs' and state that this would have to be taken as case by case as apposed to the big YES/NO sticker.

Unfortuantly I'd like to know a hell of alot more before I can make a decistion on if I would use it.
Side-effects (beyond furryfication)
Reactiveness to other drugs (if i can't has my coffee then hell no)
Is it permanent?
Addictiveness?

But from what I know atm, no, I dont think I would
Let's see... The intent of the question wasn't to focus on the serum ITSELF rather the morality that comes with the change, but what the hell, I'll humor you.

1) None, exactly whats on the label. Furryification for enhanced physical and mental abilities.
2)None, again the serum doesn't matter. It could be made out of shit and pickles and still work.
3) Yup, your stuck with your choice.
4) Umm... I'm not sure how to answer that in regards to this...
 

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Internet Kraken said:
I think if someone is going to change their body permanently so that they appear as a hybrid, it goes beyond merely identifying with them in works of fiction. It'd be like me changing myself to look like a squid just because I like them. At that point it becomes mentally troubling.
As opposed to people who jam needles through their flesh so they can stick bits of metal in. And that's just a cosmetic alteration, this one, as proposed, would offer more than just aesthetic changes, though those would be a consideration as well. History and mythology is full of animal symbolism, and many cultures had rituals meant to take in aspects of animals. It's something heavily ingrained into human culture, so it's by no means unprecedented. And how many trekkies do you think would gladly turn into vulcans if they could?

Captcha: oppose itionts. Hmmmmm.....
 

KingGolem

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I wouldn't do it right away. I've brains enough to get me through college, I'm sure, and I don't take kindly to the idea of being discriminated against. I'd wait a few years and see how the whole discrimination thing plays out, and after everyone but the fundamentalists are done grossing out over it, I'd totally do it.

EDIT: Oh by the way, kudos to you for this thread. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one like it. It's great to have a fresh one after all the MLP and "Am I the only one...?" threads.
 

masher

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Worth it on so many levels.
All those Pros and a single Con? Social issues? Yeah, worth it on so many levels.
 

Vidi Kitty

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Internet Kraken said:
Except they wouldn't be? When you take this serum you are no longer a person. You are a hybrid. If it possible to become a hybrid then obviously genetic modifications are so advanced that far more dangerous things can also be done with them. And a society that lets people heavily modify their genes for trivial reasons is one that is setting itself up for disaster. We can't just let people modify themselves in such drastic ways. Far to many potential problems come from it.
Wait wait wait. No matter how you might change your physical apearance or your species or whatever, you will still be a person.

You sir, are a racist for thinking that becoming something other than human suddenly makes you less of a person.

Internet Kraken said:
Because I am forced to interact with these people. I find it shocking that furries are surprised when people "discriminate" against them. If you are going to become and and like animal, how could you not expect people to treat you like one?
You are never forced to interact with anyone. You weigh the pros and cons of doing so such as "that person needs to bathe... but if I avoid helping my manager might fire me"

And you can not look me in the eyes and tell me that many humans are less of an animal than some wolf guy working at the store down the street.
 

Falconsgyre

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My question to the OP is why on earth bringing furries into it was even necessary. As people pointed out, X-men has already done this idea to death.
 

jack583

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i probably wouldn't do it, but i'd support it.
if a serum can be invented to permanently increase strength and intelligence, then further research could leave to other benefits such as restoring a persons mobility.
what mean is that it could lead to something that can cure the crippled and the mentally disabled. and the current serum could prevent these things.

so what if it turns you into a furry?
a person could walk for the first time in 20+ years.
 

CptJackRabbit

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CM156 said:
Ryengu said:
Furry is not a sexual fetish by nature.
You're joking, right?
Right?


Warning: This may offend you
"Another often-used tactic is to deflect the blame of all of the terrible and awful things about the Furry community onto a small, anonymous group referred to as 'Furverts' (Basically, Furries into all of that nasty stuff). While it's true that not ALL Furries take delight in reading stories about gay threesomes featuring Disney characters, the majority do. The most popular and biggest Furry websites, the most popular Furry IRC channels, the most popular Furry newsgroups ALL cater to this fetish, the adult items sections on Furbid always have the most items for sale, it's quite clear that all of this can't be the result of one or two 'Furverts' spoiling things for the poor oppressed Furries (Persecution complex again). Is it really unreasonable when presented with all of this evidence to come to the conclusion that the vast majority of Furries are into some incomprehensibly f****** weird stuff? No, no it's not."

http://www.godhatesfurries.com/index.php?p=dealing



OT: No.

The reasoning?
I am in no way shape or form a furry. So I wouldn?t do it. I don?t want to be lumped in with them at all!

That, and I enjoy being a human. And I don?t trust science with something to alter my genetic code.
your resource is a website with "godhatesfurries" as an address... sounds real unbias. And with the number of furs I know, myself included, not a single one of them engage in the fetish that is most often thought of.. I'll even tell you, that per se one of us did want to dress as a fox and climb under the sheets, it isnt likely to happen. Those suits are incredibly hot like you wouldnt believe, and stupidly expensive.

I apologize OP, the site used as a reference annoyed me. Not to get back on topic:

I would, yes. I would take it and hope it works. I dont think there is going to be much discrimination though, as depending on the4 success rate, it might actually be a norm. Yes it would probably be the norm, but aside from stat boosting (which wouldnt make any superior, just on the level of everyone else spliced. ie, clark kent isnt superman on krypton) I could also assume that we would be less susceptible to disease and such. Invariably, when people were done protesting and complaining, and it was being more accepted into society, and producing offspring was possible, then eventually, it would be a more hybrid society. That might not be in the creators lifetime, but what change is over night?
 

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Well, in terms of genetics, infusing animal DNA with human DNA won't necessarily make you a furry. If one would want to have, say, more efficient musculature, but wouldn't want one's scrotum to be on the front side of your dick, then one would isolate the gene code of the former from the latter.

But, presupposing that the combining of DNA would be crude and experimental, then I would say no, I would not want to be a superhuman furry because of societal reasons.
 

Internet Kraken

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Vidi Kitty said:
Wait wait wait. No matter how you might change your physical apearance or your species or whatever, you will still be a person.

You sir, are a racist for thinking that becoming something other than human suddenly makes you less of a person.
Except in this case it does. You're taking in animal characteristics for no reason other than "I wanna be different". It's completley unnecessary and highly disturbing that people would so freely altar their bodies in drastic ways over such trivial issues. And no, pointing this out doesn't make me a racist.

How can you intentionally acquire the characteristics of wild animals and then be outraged when people treat you more like one? You'd be doing this to yourself. It's not something you're born with. It's you're own creepy decision.

Internet Kraken said:
You are never forced to interact with anyone. You weigh the pros and cons of doing so such as "that person needs to bathe... but if I avoid helping my manager might fire me"

And you can not look me in the eyes and tell me that many humans are less of an animal than some wolf guy working at the store down the street.
Yes I can. He chose to become part animal.
 

Therumancer

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On my way home today I had thought pop into my head. It has to do with furries but its not nessesarily restricted to them. Here goes.

Alright so a research company comes up with a serum and releases it this year. The company itself is not important, the serum itself is not important. If you have to ask, the company made the serum for the betterment of humanity.

What the serum does is improve your mental and physical prowess above that of a normal human. However, we're being realistic here. Your not Captian America, but the average serum user is equal in brains to a smart human. A genius user will always be smarter than a genius non-user. If you have never been able to lift a car, well now you can alibet only a foot or two. You can work longer, harder, faster, better, and stronger.

However, the serum does this by combining animal traits with human traits producing animal-human hybrids, the aforemention furry part. Using the serum turns you into a furry (assuming there are multiple types of serums for people who want a specific hybrid, one for a fox-human, wolf-human, etc...)

Obviously the person who uses it is going to face a lot of social problems, discrimination prominently. Honestly, I'd do it. Discrimination be damned I'd probably be smarter than all my co-workers, score one promotion for me.

Honestly? I'd ban it entirely.

It has nothing to do with furries, but the bottom line is that if your seeing this product released on the market it pretty much guarantees those who can afford it are going to have a substantial advantage over those who don't. In reality this would wind up being something The Rich would keep for themselves.

See, I'm a capitalist, but not someone that supports a race of ubermensh ruling over everyone else

I think you kind of misunderstand how that would turn out.

Simply put it's something that would either have to be used on everyone, probably en-masse to prevent any thought or give any kind of goverment or interest group from getting control of it, destroyed, or locked away until enough time had passed to find some way of dealing with it fairly.

To me the appearance is more or less irrelevent, and the end result is actually going to be those who use it will wind up ruling over those that don't. Discrimination isn't going to be a factor in exactly the way you think.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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CptJackRabbit said:
your resource is a website with "godhatesfurries" as an address... sounds real unbias. And with the number of furs I know, myself included, not a single one of them engage in the fetish that is most often thought of.. I'll even tell you, that per se one of us did want to dress as a fox and climb under the sheets, it isnt likely to happen. Those suits are incredibly hot like you wouldnt believe, and stupidly expensive.
No offense, but your avatar is of a naked bunny-woman. I don't think you can claim to be non biased either.

OT: If people want to eff themselves up, I have no problem.
Hell, I doubt it would have to bost stats. There are enough people out there with more money then sense that would buy something to become an animal-person.

As a capitalist, I aprove of that.

As an adendum, saying anything against furries is not "Racist"