Gabe Newell Wants the PS3 to Be Like a Mac
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Developing games for Apple's s***ty junk piles is a monumental waste of time and money. This is the biggest mistake Valve have ever make and I hope they don't waste too much money on it.
This has got to be the most asinine conversation I have read in quite some time. All the way up to the original article's author, you are all blabbing about the nuances of development on hardware/software platforms about which you know *nothing* first-hand.
A Mac is a computer. You can buy it from Best Buy, develop your own software for it in any language you want (for FREE), distribute that software to any other Mac user you want, and run any x86-compatible operating system on it, including Linux, BSD, Windows, and Mac OS X. Mac hardware and OS X itself are based upon (and implement) many open standards, including UNIX, OpenGL and DisplayPort.
A PS3 is a game console. You can buy it from Best Buy, and cannot change the operating system, cannot compile or run any software that Sony has not approved, and approved PS3 developers (who have paid a lot of money to Sony) have strict guidelines about what they can and cannot do on software destined for PS3 consumers. The Gamecube was no different from the PS3 in that developers paid big bucks for approved development kits, and consumers had ZERO freedom to run any software besides Nintendo-approved games.
The iPhone has far more in common with the PS3 as a closed, managed platform than the Mac. My mind is utterly blown that you all have shown such utter disregard for reality, choosing instead to spout nonsense you "heard someone say," and the author should be ashamed for having zero journalistic scruples in that last, beyond-stupid question.
A Mac is a computer. You can buy it from Best Buy, develop your own software for it in any language you want (for FREE), distribute that software to any other Mac user you want, and run any x86-compatible operating system on it, including Linux, BSD, Windows, and Mac OS X. Mac hardware and OS X itself are based upon (and implement) many open standards, including UNIX, OpenGL and DisplayPort.
A PS3 is a game console. You can buy it from Best Buy, and cannot change the operating system, cannot compile or run any software that Sony has not approved, and approved PS3 developers (who have paid a lot of money to Sony) have strict guidelines about what they can and cannot do on software destined for PS3 consumers. The Gamecube was no different from the PS3 in that developers paid big bucks for approved development kits, and consumers had ZERO freedom to run any software besides Nintendo-approved games.
The iPhone has far more in common with the PS3 as a closed, managed platform than the Mac. My mind is utterly blown that you all have shown such utter disregard for reality, choosing instead to spout nonsense you "heard someone say," and the author should be ashamed for having zero journalistic scruples in that last, beyond-stupid question.
I bet mr. newell was rebuffed quite strongly during negotiations with sony, at some point...and simply never let it go.
You see, sony will lease their development systems to anyone for something like 10k $ per unit, for a fixed length of time. These kits are supposed to be extremely easy to use. So, if mr. newell is alleging that the ps3 is difficult to develop for, he's got something else in mind.
You see, sony will lease their development systems to anyone for something like 10k $ per unit, for a fixed length of time. These kits are supposed to be extremely easy to use. So, if mr. newell is alleging that the ps3 is difficult to develop for, he's got something else in mind.
No, it all happened(and still happens) under the motto of stopping pirates so everybody actually supports it. I got yelled at here on the escapist for stating my disagreement with them taking steps to monopolize the SD card market for their handhelds by strong arming the rest into bankruptcy with bogus lawsuits that they won because the opposition could no longer pay the court fees.Deofuta said:
It's because Macs are now Intel. When you are doing most of your dollar-earning work in the form of optimizing x86-compatible ASM code or ATI/nVidia specific register shifts, if the metal is teh same you really don't care that much about the library on top of it.
So, basically Newell seems to be saying, "I wish all hardware was x86 compatible, because I just can't get my thick head around anything else."
So, basically Newell seems to be saying, "I wish all hardware was x86 compatible, because I just can't get my thick head around anything else."
Honestly, I don't think I'd be quite as annoyed by the whole thing if Gabe would just shut the hell up about it. As a PS3 owner, I'm already pretty annoyed by the fact that if I want to play more Valve games, I'll have to spend extra money to upgrade my pc, and juvenile PS3 bashing statements like this aren't exactly making it better.
A mac is an EXPENSIVE COMPUTER and the gamecube is an OLD JAPANESE GAME PLATFORM.
Apple is always into closed systems, but of COURSE it's more open than the gamecube, that's like saying "Hmm, if only my skateboard was more like a car"
I get that he wants PS3's to be more open, but that was a really shitty analogy.
Apple is always into closed systems, but of COURSE it's more open than the gamecube, that's like saying "Hmm, if only my skateboard was more like a car"
I get that he wants PS3's to be more open, but that was a really shitty analogy.
Give us L4D and you might get little big planet. Or possibly trade Halo for GoW.Demon ID said:Yes Gabe and all your fans want half life episode 3, but we don't all get what we ask for
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist having a small dig on behalf of PC gamers.
I know how you feel, i'm an xbox gamer but even I just get annoyed when he bitches about the PS3. While yes i'm sure it's hard, but every other company has got over it and made games so maybe it's his turn. On a related note, I think you should give us xbox gamers little big planet.Frank_Sinatra_ said:
OT: Gabe, grow a pair and make games for the PS3. Wasn't there a news story about you hiring naughty dog (or some other company that makes PS3 games) employees? Maybe you could ask them for advice? Or, you could maybe ask Sony for a little help here or there if you get stuck in a game's dev cycle. Oh, sorry, your ego might not take the hit.
This. It frequently impresses me how ignorant people are about this sort of thing. Macs are not iPhones. They're x86 PCs running a limited subset of hardware with a different OS. It's a computer, which is as open as platforms get, since software installations are not restricted in any way.Khakionion said:
And since that seems to be all people can think of, only a few years ago very few people could write software for phones with the permission of the carriers, and people erroneously expect free reign to develop software for phones and equate them with computers since the development of a few highly popular platforms.
I don't expect any software platform to be more open than that of a personal computer, and anybody who does is being foolish.
And Newell has been grinding this axe for a while, but it's probably worth pointing out he's a business/management wonk, not a lead programmer. I think we can all agree that while it might be tough to programming for, it's clearly not the herculean task he makes it out to be, seeing the software that's come out. Though the better examples might have had a higher budget...
It could be that their programmers actually feel differently. I did read a while back that they were hiring people to develop for the PS3.