Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

[ToastiestZombie]

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SAYING random words in CAPITALS doesn't improve YOUR point.

Ok, let me see: The Last Story, Monster Hunter Tri, Xenophage Chronicles, No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Little King's Story, Sonic Colours, Madworld, Super Mario Galaxy. All of those games are Wii exclusive, awesome games. Hell, even Madworld had an original colour and plenty of cool game features.

Red Steel 2? Nope. Madworld HELL TO THE NOPE!

Murumasa is a nice budget title, shame it is sold for $50 on an SD console.

Little King's Story??!?? Seriously?

Now you're just sounding like an Xbox 360, PS3 or PC fanboy. Have you even played any of those games? I think you haven't since well, you're just calling games shit with no explanation.

 

[Kurenaino]

...um...

*slow clap*

Go Nintendo, my heroes. People are mad why? If it was exclusive for anything else, it would be no big deal. I respect them as a company much more than, say, friggin' Microsoft. Good companies should have rights to good games, end of story.

 

[Treblaine]

"Since the WiiU comes after the Wii, it is next gen."

This makes UTTER NONSENSE of the idea of console generations.

The term "generation" refers to the time period during which it was born, not the status it was born into. We don't refer to tribal cultures in South America or island nations as part of the "Stone Age generation" because they work with stone-age implements, rather we use another categorization entirely to refer to the developed status of a culture ("third world" and the like). We also don't try to claim that someone is part of a previous generation for having Old World thinking or choosing a lifestyle that avoids the comforts of the modern age.

Similarly, a video game "generation" has always referred to the time period during which the game (or console) is released. The quality of the console is irrelevant in terms of its age. There are many consoles released during their generation which utilized graphics of an inferior nature to their counterparts within the same time period, but they still belong to that generation. If it is ever released, by this logic the Ouya would technically be an eighth generation console as well, despite that its quality is likely to be below the specs of future Microsoft and Sony consoles.

This is how the term has always been used in the past, and it is the definition commonly accepted by every major media outlet that reports on games. It's fine if you don't agree, but let's not pretend that the word means something different because you (and only you) disagree with its meaning. I would agree with you if you were stating that the console's hardware is seventh generation (which it is, since the hardware is really only on par with a PS3 or 360....which is to say, not all that great), but the console itself is a generation eight console by virtue of its release date.

It's perhaps a new generation for Nintendo, but it's not a new generation for CONSOLES IN GENERAL.

Generation is NOT by time. If a car company releases a Ford Model T in 2012 that does NOT mean it's of the same generation as the Ford Focus.

Tribes are irrelevant to generations in the technology sense as humans are not designed and manufactured en mass to a fixed format.

It's WORTHLESS and MEANINGLESS if being "next-generation" has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with being significantly more technologically advanced.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

...um...

*slow clap*

Go Nintendo, my heroes. People are mad why? If it was exclusive for anything else, it would be no big deal. I respect them as a company much more than, say, friggin' Microsoft. Good companies should have rights to good games, end of story.

But not if they're a game I personally want! How dare they! /sarcasm.

I bet that if Valve announced "Half Life 3 is PC exclusive" the entire gaming community would be celebrating. But because it's Nintendo and a relatively un-appreciated game it's a terrible business practise.

 

[Treblaine]

Now you're just sounding like an Xbox 360, PS3 or PC fanboy. Have you even played any of those games? I think you haven't since well, you're just calling games shit with no explanation.

No, I'm like the majority who know that Wii was a casual sell-out. Red Steel 2 is a classic example of a game that seems like it could be good till you ACTUALLY play it. It is BECAUSE I played it that I dismiss it.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

 

[Kurenaino]

Between this and Rayman Legends being WiiU exclusive, Jim Sterling should make an episode about how much Nintendo is being a douchebag and/or how Nintendo made such an ingenious plan to make singleplayer gamers as well as families buy the WiiU.

That's not really being a douchebag. That's really, REALLY good business. Honestly, Microsoft and Sony haven't really been great about treating their single player gamers well, what with all the online passes and hashed in multiplayer and all the statements about single player experiences being a dying breed. Nintendo's always been great with that, though, and strictly from a business standpoint, this is a great move. If they can buy exclusive rights to a lot of the single player franchises out there, they're going to see a lot of business growth from people who are tired of the developer rape. I love my PS3, but I'll go WiiU if they start taking the games I like. I trust Nintendo not to dick us around like Microsoft does.

But then, that's my opinion. But from a business sense, it's a great move, and it looks like it'll benefit the consumer in the long-run.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Now you're just sounding like an Xbox 360, PS3 or PC fanboy. Have you even played any of those games? I think you haven't since well, you're just calling games shit with no explanation.

No, I'm like the majority who know that Wii was a casual sell-out. Red Steel 2 is a classic example of a game that seems like it could be good till you ACTUALLY play it. It is BECAUSE I played it that I dismiss it.

Go on then. Call me why all those games you've called shit are shit. Instead of just saying "IT's bad if you ACTUALLY play it!". I have played Red Steel 2, to me it had the most fluid and natural sword fighting controls due to the motion plus controller. The western mixed with samurai art style was awesome, and some of the set pieces were actually quite well done. It also actually had deep, challenging combat for a hack and slash. You couldn't simply hack at an enemy and dodge every so often, you had to swing your sword in the right direction at the right time to hit them. It was a big break from the boring, grey art styles of many other games today and was actually different instead of trying to be "hardcore gaem!" like so many other games. And it all ran at 60fps, a very smooth and comfortable frame rate for a game of its type.

... now can you tell me why you hate the games you said are shit? You haven't said that yet.

 

[lord.jeff]

Good move for Nintendo, looks like they're putting their money where their mouth is when they said they wanted to expand their audience and get more of the hardcore crowd back. I'm starting to think a WiiU may be worth it now.

 

[Kurenaino]

Why can they not release it on multiple consoles? Why are people ok with exclusives? How is it somehow fine for a game to be actively denied to people for no other reason than to force them to buy another console? This is just another casuality to a seriously anti consumer practice.

Oh and to those who think they are somehow mighty for belittling people who cant play the sequel to a game they liked: You arent being clever, you're being dickheads. Why on earth should people be forced to buy a console for games which clearly are not specific to the console in question?

Because the people who make the console are paying the bill to get the game made? Why should they use their money to make a sequel to a game everyone else gave up on, then make it for competitors consoles so other companies can have it, so you can avoid giving them your money for a console they've made and a game they have paid to publish? Not to mention it's WiiU so likely it WILL be exclusive to the console, and you expect Nintendo to foot the bill so it can ported to the X-Box 720 and the PS4? That sounds reasonable to you?

Seriously, it's pretty much entirely how the big three compete by who has the best exclusives, no-one would be saying shit if it was an X-box exclusive. Hell, there are people on this forum who still don't think Bethesda's handling of Dawnguard was f*cking shoddy by releasing it for X-box 2 months ahead of PS3 and PC, and that's a legitimate issue as it isn't hard to port DLC.

More OT: We don't ***** about Halo being only on X-Box or God of War only being on Playstation, it just so happens Bayonetta is now only going to be on WiiU. And? If you want to play the game I guess you're going to have to give WiiU a try, if you don't then give Platinum Games the money it needs out of your own pocket to buy back full publishing rights and make a game for the X-box or whatever. It'll only cost you something like 15 million dollars (conservative f*cking estimate there).

It's like Nintendo want us to buy their products or something crazy like that!

Get off your high horse, you arent as smart as you think you are. Nintendo is publishing the game, great! That doesnt mean its good for gaming to have that game be denied to other gamers purely to sell a console. I dont agree with exclusives, I think anyone who supports exclusives that are exclusive because one company wants to get an edge by denying the game to other consoles is retarded.

I can see why keeping the game exclusive to the Wii U is smart for Nintendo, I cant see how thats good for us. I dont want to buy a Wii U, not out of malice but because I cant afford to buy a Wii U and and Xbox 720 (if indeed I get another generation of console, depends on my circumstances. The 360 seems to be the strongest of the 3 consoles, going with that im gonna go to the next iteration of it. Plus I like the exclusives and all my freinds are getting it, though it having exclusives is no more ok than the Wii U or PS3 having exclusives purely for competition). Im not "avoiding giving them money for a console they've made", which somehow insinuates Im at fault for not buying it at all because they spent money making it, I just cant buy it in my circumstances because they are denying it on platforms I play on.

I dont know the full situation with Dawngaurd, if Microsoft paid for some sort of exclusivity then non-xbox gamers should not be denied the DLC. It isnt fair on gamers, even if the devs are better off. Halo should be on PS3 and God of War should be on xbox. Gamers are not benefiting from this competition, theres no good reason for us to support it.

I would love nothing more than for Bayonetta 2 to be available to everyone, unfortunately Platinum games decided they couldnt self publish (though they could publish the abysmal 'Vanquish') it and Nintendo is now publishing. That isnt my fault. Why is it somehow fine for Nintendo to act against our interests but not Activision or EA? They both go against our interests and are hated for it, why is it ok here?

Woah bro! Calm down!

I suppose this is my question to you: why have different consoles if you can get all the same games on just one? Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo would all go out of business if their consoles didn't have a strong selling point, and those points have to be the software. I do get your point, it can really suck if a game's coming out that you want on a system you don't own. But the bigger picture here is that exclusives help the industry and these companies survive. Consumer loyalty is a huge part of the industry, and it's very difficult to create that without a very clear, very defined reasons that separate the companies. We remove that, and it's very possible we could see a lot of collapse.

 

[Cybylt]

As someone who loved the original title and finds Platinum to be the only people to make worthwhile over the top action games, I think this is great news.

SEGA's(who published every Platinum game up until Metal Gear Rising and Wonderful 101) practically a sinking ship right now and putting all their money into PSO2, they won't even put down the cash to port already made games let alone back development.

Loving the general support for the hardcore market Nintendo's showing lately as well.

 

[Treblaine]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

 

[Sean951]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

This [http://www.cityzen.tv/content/pix3/gun4.jpg] is from Gun, a launch game for the 360. This [http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/assassins-creed-3-2.jpg] is from ACIII, an upcoming game. Notice the extreme graphical difference? Now notice that the WiiU has graphics that visually are on par with the 360 and PS3 from the get go, and we can see that yes, it is a significant graphical upgrade.

Are you still going on about the hard drive? They are a gaming company, they don't expect you to be putting music and videos on their consoles. And if you buy a lot of digital games, then you can just go get a external drive and transfer data as needed. I really don't see the problem here.

If we are arguing technical abilities, then the PS2 wasn't 6th Gen. It was inferior to the GameCube and was significantly inferior to the X-Box. So what do you say, was the PS2 really 5th gen?

 

[Adon Cabre]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

This [http://www.cityzen.tv/content/pix3/gun4.jpg] is from Gun, a launch game for the 360. This [http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/assassins-creed-3-2.jpg] is from ACIII, an upcoming game. Notice the extreme graphical difference? Now notice that the WiiU has graphics that visually are on par with the 360 and PS3 from the get go, and we can see that yes, it is a significant graphical upgrade.

Are you still going on about the hard drive? They are a gaming company, they don't expect you to be putting music and videos on their consoles. And if you buy a lot of digital games, then you can just go get a external drive and transfer data as needed. I really don't see the problem here.

If we are arguing technical abilities, then the PS2 wasn't 6th Gen. It was inferior to the GameCube and was significantly inferior to the X-Box. So what do you say, was the PS2 really 5th gen?

It's not really on-par with these generation of hard core consoles. There are some graphical inferiority in lighting that I saw in their Arkham City promo vid, but it's nothing terribly eye catching.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo is just barely catching up; in that now they're seeing the industry for what it's becoming.

 

[Adon Cabre]

You know, I can say I am grateful to Nintendo for saving the Bayonetta series .. however I can't really blame gamers for their behaviors. Okay I can say they're getting out of hand and taking this to personally- but I still can't look down on these gamers. Nintendo made it a Wii U exclusive only.. I mean, a lot of gamers don't have that so it does rub me off the wrong way.

If this was EA reviving something but making it so only one console (or like say PC) had it and no one else, I can see that would rage people more or actually get everyone's jimmies rustled (lol). Not sure exactly, but I would of dearly been hurting myself if say
Dead Space 2 when it came out was for Wii U only. The first game was for all platforms, so weird and sort of disappointing that the next game is for one console when it can be on other consoles but hey if Nintendo saved the series least I can't really complain.

But I feel like I can voice my opinion, that Nintendo could of not made it a Wii U exclusive.

Just goes to show you that the first Bayonetta didn't do enough for Sony or Microsoft to fight it.

 

[Sean951]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

This [http://www.cityzen.tv/content/pix3/gun4.jpg] is from Gun, a launch game for the 360. This [http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/assassins-creed-3-2.jpg] is from ACIII, an upcoming game. Notice the extreme graphical difference? Now notice that the WiiU has graphics that visually are on par with the 360 and PS3 from the get go, and we can see that yes, it is a significant graphical upgrade.

Are you still going on about the hard drive? They are a gaming company, they don't expect you to be putting music and videos on their consoles. And if you buy a lot of digital games, then you can just go get a external drive and transfer data as needed. I really don't see the problem here.

If we are arguing technical abilities, then the PS2 wasn't 6th Gen. It was inferior to the GameCube and was significantly inferior to the X-Box. So what do you say, was the PS2 really 5th gen?

It's not really on-par with these generation of hard core consoles. There are some graphical inferiority in lighting that I saw in their Arkham City promo vid, but it's nothing terribly eye catching.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo is just barely catching up; in that now they're seeing the industry for what it's becoming.

OK, slight differences at launch. You know, when people are still learning how to make the most efficient use of the console. Like I said, look at Gun compared to ACIII. It's a pretty big change.

 

[ElPatron]

And why is that a problem? Really?

Get the new DMC when it comes out, and while playing it, look up some porn on the internet.

Problem solved.

That's like saying everyone should have stopped buying Call of Duty in it's WWII setting and just look for modern gun pics online.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

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I actually find Arkham City to look better on the Wii U from what I've seen. More stuff's about, and there's much more lighting. And anyway, the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions are way behind the PC version, that doesn't make then last-gen consoles at all.

 

[Laurie Barnes]

I personally find it disappointing that a game I might have bought is going to be exlusive to Nintendo's latest gimmick machine.

 

[yuval152]

I never played the original so I'm fine with it.