Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

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ToastiestZombie

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Gizmo1990 said:
ToastiestZombie said:
Gizmo1990 said:
Damn... you must have a really limited taste in games then. What exactly WOULD you want to play on it then?
I mostly play RPGs, sandbox (Ass Creed, infamous, Batman), RTS, the odd FPS (not many through, not my thing). I tried monster hunter before and it did not do anything for me, I do not enjoy fighting games and I have never liked Zelda. I remember having some fun with smash bros and smash bros melee back in the day but brawl killed it for me.

I will not get one becuase the games do not appeal to me so far. That my change in the future. I am not one of the hater fools who will not buy it just because it is Nintendo.
That's fine, I can see why you wouldn't get one if the type of games don't appeal to you. Just FYI, Assassin's Creed 3 is out launch day on it, and a special edition of Arkham City also. And really, I see a bright future for RTS's on the console due to the touch screen, it just seems better than just using a controller. RPG's aren't really being represented so far (Monster Hunter's an RPG, but you don't like that so yeah). It's fine to not get one just yet because you don't see any games that interest you. But if in the future a load of games DO interest you that are exclusive to the Wii U come out and you still are saying that the library's shit then that's just blind hate. This is just a matter of different tastes, which is fine.

I'm getting one because I'm loving the look of ZombiU, Rayman: Legends and The Wonderful 101. Pikmin 3 is also a must get for me.
 

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You know, it's over-reactions like this that Jim Sterling has talked about on a number of videos, as well as this week. Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not a negative on the gaming industry.

This is a game that at first wasn't going to be released because Sega decided to abandon it due to financial issues. Thanks to Nintendo however, we can now rest assured that Bayonetta 2 will finally be released and we can finally kick and shoot more angels with the many weapons of Bayonetta, as well as be happy about the game (if it is any good, that is).

But of course, this is the internet, which has to overreact to announcements like this and make pathetic statements such as saying they will commit suicide because of the fact that this game is coming to the Wii U.

A sequel that many gamers have wanted is finally announced and the gamers aren't happy about it because it is on a console that they have likely not even played yet. That is simply what the haters are saying, and I have to ask "What the hell do you want, gamers?"

If Mirrors Edge 2 or Beyond Good & Evil 2 (sequels that gamers want to see made) were announced for the Wii U, and the gamers made this kind of over-reaction simply because it's on the Wii U, then I can guarantee you that they would get the backlash of the gaming community for being idiots.
People are complaining that a game that wouldn't be made will be made, only under the conditions that SATAN (Nintendo) will only get the game. If Mirror's Edge 2 was only made for the Wii U just because EA feels like it and not because SATAN was willing to buy exclusivity, the outrage would be a little bit more justified. It's still less stupid when compared to the Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy 13 and Terraria situation.
 

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> Nintendo now has Bayonetta.
> Miyamoto wants to make an FPS.
> Nintendo appears to have an Eternal Darkness sequel in the works.
> There's the possibility that Nintendo might be thinking about buying the Banjo-Kazooie and Conker IPs from Microsoft.

Not all of RareWare, just the aforementioned franchises. Though, I'm not 100% certain if they're actually doing this or not.

Nintendo learned from their first annual loss. They admitted their mistake of being so laser-focused on the "Kiddie" and "Casual" crowd, who never even cared about Nintendo anyway, leaving the rest of us behind. So, they're trying to make it up to us by focusing more on mature titles than they ever have before.
 

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Lugbzurg said:
>Nintendo appears to have an Eternal Darkness sequel in the works.
WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED OF THIS! If this is true all of my goddamn dreams would have come true! Eternal Darkness is to this day one my favourite survival horror games, and a sequel on a next gen console would be f'ing amazing. Just think of the number of ways they can fuck with your head using the gamepad! Like, it automatically switches over to the TV and makes you play on the gamepad if your sanity gets low. Or the gamepad's screen turns into something grotesque or just stops working altogether! The possibilities!
 

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I think the main issue is how little sense it makes compared with the nintendo of today. The nintendo of today has a family friendly, even cutesy image, and it doesn't seem to make sense for such a game, a fairly violent game with an undeniably sexual lead, to become exclusive to the new nintendo console.

That said, Wii u's lineup is shaping up to be varied, providing kid/granny friendly entertainment and action titles in equal measure, but to counter that point, we've seen this before. Wii also promised a mix, which nintendo almost purposely failed at.

So, a lot of bitterness, feelings of betrayal and distrust=this reaction.

Of course, however, they're free to do as they please. Any company is. We're equally entitled to feel displeased and express that displeasure, but these threats go a little far, to say the least.
 

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Doclector said:
I think the main issue is how little sense it makes compared with the nintendo of today. The nintendo of today has a family friendly, even cutesy image, and it doesn't seem to make sense for such a game, a fairly violent game with an undeniably sexual lead, to become exclusive to the new nintendo console.

That said, Wii u's lineup is shaping up to be varied, providing kid/granny friendly entertainment and action titles in equal measure, but to counter that point, we've seen this before. Wii also promised a mix, which nintendo almost purposely failed at.

So, a lot of bitterness, feelings of betrayal and distrust=this reaction.

Of course, however, they're free to do as they please. Any company is. We're equally entitled to feel displeased and express that displeasure, but these threats go a little far, to say the least.
Nintendo actually does seem to be trying very hard to get rid of that image, whilst still keeping the more casual gamers who bought the Wii. It is weird seeing stuff like Assassin's Creed 3 and Arkham City on a Nintendo console, but everyone has been asking that Nintendo sheds its kiddy image and they're trying to do exactly that.
 

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Lugbzurg said:
> Nintendo now has Bayonetta.
> Miyamoto wants to make an FPS.
> Nintendo appears to have an Eternal Darkness sequel in the works.
> There's the possibility that Nintendo might be thinking about buying the Banjo-Kazooie and Conker IPs from Microsoft.

Not all of RareWare, just the aforementioned franchises. Though, I'm not 100% certain if they're actually doing this or not.

Nintendo learned from their first annual loss. They admitted their mistake of being so laser-focused on the "Kiddie" and "Casual" crowd, who never even cared about Nintendo anyway, leaving the rest of us behind. So, they're trying to make it up to us by focusing more on mature titles than they ever have before.
No, that would be a terrible lesson to learn. When did they pick us up? As children who played games casually. That's the best demographic to pick up. What they learned is that launching the 3DS was hard and didn't quite go as planned, though it later outsold the DS in it's first year.

But the WiiU does seem to have more "mature" titles, and that does make me happy. Nintendo has had a rocky past with 3rd party developer and I hope this patches things up.
 

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Love the uninformed opinions going around.
Thinking the wii U is only as powerful as the 360 and ps3.
(it's especially more powerful than that mess of a ps3)
ToastiestZombie said:
Treblaine said:
ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.
He's right you know.
 

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Doclector said:
I think the main issue is how little sense it makes compared with the nintendo of today. The nintendo of today has a family friendly, even cutesy image, and it doesn't seem to make sense for such a game, a fairly violent game with an undeniably sexual lead, to become exclusive to the new nintendo console.

That said, Wii u's lineup is shaping up to be varied, providing kid/granny friendly entertainment and action titles in equal measure, but to counter that point, we've seen this before. Wii also promised a mix, which nintendo almost purposely failed at.

So, a lot of bitterness, feelings of betrayal and distrust=this reaction.

Of course, however, they're free to do as they please. Any company is. We're equally entitled to feel displeased and express that displeasure, but these threats go a little far, to say the least.
Cute, Really cutesy.

Madworld is also made by platinum games.
Even the SNES has games that could be considered rated M.
 

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ToastiestZombie said:
No reason? You haven't heard that Sega had dropped the project, and nobody else wanted it because of it's crappy reception the first time so Nintendo picked the dying game up and gave them the funding and publishing to get it going again. So either this or no Bayonetta 2 at all, make your choice. Also, Kotor 1 and 2 were on the PC, and the MMO was an MMO, which have never worked on consoles especially a WoW type MMO like SW: TOR.
To be honest, I didn't know that Bayonetta was canned, but I did say "Just take solace in the knowledge that it's probably going to suck." So that cover's that. And I'm fully aware that the KotORs were available on the PC, I didn't play them on the PC and feel ripped that I can't play the new one. Same with Agarest 2 and Heavy Rain and now Bayonetta 2 I would pay $60 to play any of those games, not $360.


And if every game was released for every system then what incentive would one have to buy another console?
That is the stupidest thing anyone's ever said.
If every game was compatible on every system then no one would need more than one console. that's the point. If I could buy a game I wanted to play and play it that is the better alternative to there being a game that I wanted to play but can't because it only works on proprietary hardware.
It's inefficient and developers lose a lot of business because the hardware manufacturer wants to make a quick buck at the content provider's expense.
 

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DTH1337 said:
You know, it's over-reactions like this that Jim Sterling has talked about on a number of videos, as well as this week. Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not a negative on the gaming industry.

This is a game that at first wasn't going to be released because Sega decided to abandon it due to financial issues. Thanks to Nintendo however, we can now rest assured that Bayonetta 2 will finally be released and we can finally kick and shoot more angels with the many weapons of Bayonetta, as well as be happy about the game (if it is any good, that is).

But of course, this is the internet, which has to overreact to announcements like this and make pathetic statements such as saying they will commit suicide because of the fact that this game is coming to the Wii U.

A sequel that many gamers have wanted is finally announced and the gamers aren't happy about it because it is on a console that they have likely not even played yet. That is simply what the haters are saying, and I have to ask "What the hell do you want, gamers?"

If Mirrors Edge 2 or Beyond Good & Evil 2 (sequels that gamers want to see made) were announced for the Wii U, and the gamers made this kind of over-reaction simply because it's on the Wii U, then I can guarantee you that they would get the backlash of the gaming community for being idiots.
People are complaining that a game that wouldn't be made will be made, only under the conditions that SATAN (Nintendo) will only get the game. If Mirror's Edge 2 was only made for the Wii U just because EA feels like it and not because SATAN was willing to buy exclusivity, the outrage would be a little bit more justified. It's still less stupid when compared to the Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy 13 and Terraria situation.
And yet I still don't see the harm or the negative side of releasing Bayonetta 2 on a console that likely no-one on this forum has even tried out.

Also, when the hell did Nintendo suddenly become satan just because of this one announcement?! Sure, they've released one too many samey Mario games, but at least they've decided to make an effort to make amends by releasing Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U, unlike Square Enix who decided to slap gamers in the face and give people an inferior version of TWEWY for the iOS platform rather than make a sequel for the 3DS.

If there are any companies that can be classed as satan, it would be companies like Activision, EA, Capcom, Square Enix, Sony, and Microsoft (the last 2 are to a lesser extent, but slowly reaching it).
 

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WouldYouKindly said:
Kmadden2004 said:
WouldYouKindly said:
Motion controls don't really translate well to a fighting game like Bayonetta.
Which is why it'll be using the gamepad controller.
The giant touchscreen one? Still makes for a little difficult transition.

If you're talking about the classic controller, fine, but I still say that is the least comfortable controller to use in this generation.
actually the controller isn't as big as you think it is. it's about the size of one screen of an XL. and anyways there's going to be more than just that tablet as a controller.
 

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DTH1337 said:
ex275w said:
DTH1337 said:
You know, it's over-reactions like this that Jim Sterling has talked about on a number of videos, as well as this week. Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not a negative on the gaming industry.

This is a game that at first wasn't going to be released because Sega decided to abandon it due to financial issues. Thanks to Nintendo however, we can now rest assured that Bayonetta 2 will finally be released and we can finally kick and shoot more angels with the many weapons of Bayonetta, as well as be happy about the game (if it is any good, that is).

But of course, this is the internet, which has to overreact to announcements like this and make pathetic statements such as saying they will commit suicide because of the fact that this game is coming to the Wii U.

A sequel that many gamers have wanted is finally announced and the gamers aren't happy about it because it is on a console that they have likely not even played yet. That is simply what the haters are saying, and I have to ask "What the hell do you want, gamers?"

If Mirrors Edge 2 or Beyond Good & Evil 2 (sequels that gamers want to see made) were announced for the Wii U, and the gamers made this kind of over-reaction simply because it's on the Wii U, then I can guarantee you that they would get the backlash of the gaming community for being idiots.
People are complaining that a game that wouldn't be made will be made, only under the conditions that SATAN (Nintendo) will only get the game. If Mirror's Edge 2 was only made for the Wii U just because EA feels like it and not because SATAN was willing to buy exclusivity, the outrage would be a little bit more justified. It's still less stupid when compared to the Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy 13 and Terraria situation.
And yet I still don't see the harm or the negative side of releasing Bayonetta 2 on a console that likely no-one on this forum has even tried out.

Also, when the hell did Nintendo suddenly become satan just because of this one announcement?! Sure, they've released one too many samey Mario games, but at least they've decided to make an effort to make amends by releasing Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U, unlike Square Enix who decided to slap gamers in the face and give people an inferior version of TWEWY for the iOS platform rather than make a sequel for the 3DS.

If there are any companies that can be classed as satan, it would be companies like Activision, EA, Capcom, Square Enix, Sony, and Microsoft (the last 2 are to a lesser extent, but slowly reaching it).
Oh I was making fun of people hating Nintendo obsessively with the SATAN thingy. Also, there is no downside to saving a game and producing it. Buying IPs and assuring exclusives is an important part of the console business, if not, there would be no competition and thus, no innovation.
The only problem is when a game is exclusive for no reason, like Mass Effect 1 (unless Microsoft had paid to keep it exclusive) or a franchise changing consoles suddenly, like Kingodm Hearts which is in every portable console for no reason. Still, if the console producers pay for the game to be exclusive or pay for it for it not to be exclusive, gamers should put up with it. That's how business works, gaining advantages over competitors.

Also doesn't the IOS TWEWY tease a new game?
 

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Sarah LeBoeuf said:
It's never pleasant when a game you want comes out for a console you don't own, but the degree of this backlash is kind of surprising. If it was a choice between a Wii U exclusive Bayonetta 2 and no Bayonetta 2 at all, wouldn't the console exclusive be the better option?
No. Nothing more angering than knowing a game you want exists, but you have to pay £200+ for a new console, for which is likely to play differently to how you'd prefer it to.

That being said, the comments are made to the wrong company. Platinum ultimately made the decision to make exclusive.

I'm not surprised at the kinds of tweets posted either. People write that stuff all the time. It's just people being typically human and over-exaggerating their feelings.
 

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To all those people who say "Well,if it wasn't for Nintendo, Bayonetta 2 wouldn't have been made!": First of all, fuck you. Second of all, if they game didn't exist, then they couldn't get mad about not being able to play it.

It's a case of "What's better: Nobody getting to play it, or only a few people?"
 

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Few people ***** about Terraria going to consoles.
Escapist: "OMG PCGAMERS ARE WHINY DICKS!"
Few people ***** about Bayonetta going to WiiU.
Escapist: " Oh, how terribly ignorant of those people."

And I just generalized the same way because Im also part of Escapist and so balance of the universe has been kept.
I noticed my reactions were the opposite.
"Terraria going to consoles? Who cares."
"Bayonetta going to WiiU? Nintendo consoles that aren't handhelds are going to be stupid for the forseeable future."

I guess I don't really belong here...
 

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GrimHeaper said:
Doclector said:
I think the main issue is how little sense it makes compared with the nintendo of today. The nintendo of today has a family friendly, even cutesy image, and it doesn't seem to make sense for such a game, a fairly violent game with an undeniably sexual lead, to become exclusive to the new nintendo console.

That said, Wii u's lineup is shaping up to be varied, providing kid/granny friendly entertainment and action titles in equal measure, but to counter that point, we've seen this before. Wii also promised a mix, which nintendo almost purposely failed at.

So, a lot of bitterness, feelings of betrayal and distrust=this reaction.

Of course, however, they're free to do as they please. Any company is. We're equally entitled to feel displeased and express that displeasure, but these threats go a little far, to say the least.
Cute, Really cutesy.

Madworld is also made by platinum games.
Even the SNES has games that could be considered rated M.
Yes, but that's one of a handful of mature games on the wii. It's simply not what nintendo is now known for. In the past, sure, nintendo consoles were known for having variety alongside their own, largely kid friendly, classics, but after the wii, that changed a lot.

Of course, they can change. I hope they do. But this sort of lineup has happened before, and it'll take more convincing to make me believe they won't just switch out that variety for more family games like before.

ToastiestZombie said:
Doclector said:
Nintendo actually does seem to be trying very hard to get rid of that image, whilst still keeping the more casual gamers who bought the Wii. It is weird seeing stuff like Assassin's Creed 3 and Arkham City on a Nintendo console, but everyone has been asking that Nintendo sheds its kiddy image and they're trying to do exactly that.
More or less the same response as the one in the second part of the post above. They seem to be trying, but personally, I'm waiting a while to see if they don't pull the ol' bait and switch. Should be said though, whether they will or not is of little importance to this discussion. They point is, they kind of did with the wii (intentionally or otherwise), and thus this could in part explain the reaction.
 

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Treblaine said:
Better 2x AA than none at all. Wii has a SERIOUS lack of it for games that really really need it.
Eh, debatable. To my eyes there is little difference between the Wii and the Xbox's AA. One doesn't have it, the other's doesn't work. Of course if one is used to only low levels of AA they can probably spot the differences better.

That's a very convenient opinion for you to hold that AA isn't important... but PC gamers who have the choice to turn it on or off it's considered a WORTHLESS BENCHMARK to bbenchmark (test a game's performance) without AA set reasonably high as so many CHOOSE to have it on.
Of course you're going to benchmark with it on - it does have a minimal effect on FPS [Like a 1-2 FPS variance at worst most of the time], which is important to hardcore benchmarkers - and if you can handle it of course you're going to put it up to max - it does make it look that tiny bit better.
However, it is by far the least important aspect of graphics that you'll come across. Texture resolution, lighting, model detail, Depth of Field and such provide a much better variance in look, and is something your argument would be better focused on. AA is the fly of the graphics world. If it gets all up in your face it can be, at worst, annoying. Otherwise its pretty much unnoticeable.

Anti-aliasing is a HUGE problem with the low-resolution (480p) resolution of Wii games when upscaled the Anti-aliasing jagges get doubly deep. Wii games with a generally brighter and broader colour pallet the aliasing is more visible on "grimdark" games.
I'm going to take it that last sentence was meant to have an additional "Than" in it, as in "...broader colour pallet the aliasing is more visible than on "grimdark" games", otherwise you're saying its less noticeable on the Wii.
I'm going to be honest here, thanks to the art style most Wii games follow, I barely notice the aliasing in them. They don't try to be realistic, or even good. They go for extremely cartoony most of the time, and sometimes only mostly cartoony. When that's the case, aliasing really doesn't bother me. For the art style, its not important. When there's really bad aliasing in something like Halo, I'll notice, as it tries to look good, and somewhat realistic, and in contrast to the rest of what the game is showing such things can stand out. However, that usually takes me to be standing infront of a diagonal line, with it taking up half my screen for me to notice. Otherwise I'm too focused on the other things the game has to show me instead of the small line off to the side.

"If the WiiU has the graphics power to display 1080p with 30 or higher FPS with as many if not more objects on screen than a PS3 or X360, then it is superior."

Big "if".
Really, I don't think so. Sure, its an important if, but thanks to how crap the Xbox and PS3's graphics capabilities are you'd almost pay more to get the sort of card that goes into them as its 'Vintage' or something than you would to get something like a 9800GTX only smaller, which would handle such things easily.

And behold:

-snip-

1080x1920 NATIVE resolution and 60-frames per second.

Framerate and native-res alone is not enough as PS3 could do this back in 2008.

WiiU has had it's chance to prove it's next-gen it hasn't. It's a dumb bet to bet on WiiU being a generational leap over Xbox 360.
I don't think that quite proves a point, considering that video is in 720p. Acknowledged it does run at 1080p and 60FPS, however the rest of its graphics capabilities suffer for it. From what I see it does not look as detailed as other games, has fewer models on screen, occasionally has some pretty bland textures and other such things. I never said it was impossible for a game to run 1080p native on a current gen console at 60FPS, only that most don't because it means sacrificing other more important graphical aspects to do so.
 

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ToastiestZombie said:
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While I think it is a good thing that Nintendo are getting games like Ass Creed 3 and Batman, as anyone who only had a Wii and wil get the WiiU can play them, I am not sure how it is ment to tempt people like me. Batman is a year old now and I already have it. Mass Effect 3 is 7 months old now and I already have it. Getting Ass Creed 3 for £35 for my PS3 or 360 is much better than paying for a new console and the game.

Of couse part of me want to buy one, find one of the retard haters, who hate it because it's Nintendo, and beat them over the head with it. What happened to people hating something for a good reason?