what makes you think that the tablet controller will be pointless? The way I see it, it can be used to make some game experiences quite unique and pull the gamer much more into the game itself, like for example if they decide to make a pokemon snap game for the WiiU it the tablet could actually be used as a camera or if Fatal Frame gets a release, basically same functioning.Treblaine said:Yeah, because I don't like what Nintendo is doing, but I don't wish bankruptcy on them, they have enough good that they just need to stop their bad practices.
Base system only $300? Then they can cut the price even more by ditching the pointless tablet controller. HDD connected to the CPU/RAM via a high speed low latency port, NOT via a USB drive chassis.
Gamecube didn't have a gimmick, it didn't need one to be good.
I've been using SSD on PC, the advances are not worth it for consoles, it's only barely worth it with PC for heavy image and video editing.
Point, I was hoping they didn't but it seems its a good thing as no one else wanted it and nin needs more quirky brands. I am quit tired of the exclusivity game tho but it seems we are good for another 10 years of the console war business model. blahSonic Doctor said:The article says that Nintendo is publishing it. Think. How many current games that come out that are published by Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony, are multi-platform, going on the consoles of rival companies?ZippyDSMlee said:Unless nin bought it out right it should go multi after 6-12 months.
I certainly can't think of any.
Unless within your said six to twelve month span Platinum games is bought out by Microsoft or Sony and they bought the IP from Nintendo(Who will now hold the Bayonetta IP), then I don't expect the game to be multi-platform anytime soon.
That statement is in relation to when Microsoft bought Rare and a vast many of its IPs, considering how the two Banjo-Kazooie games that Nintendo published are now on XBLA with a Microsoft sticker instead of a Nintendo one.
Of course that is an example of an old game going to a new system, but as I said I can't think of any current big name console maker and publisher exclusive game that has been moved to a competitor.
It would suck if WiiU was a next-gen consoleMr.Mattress said:1: Your first complaint, plain and simply, sucks. That's like arguing for any new console to ever be made. If your made that Bayonetta 2 is coming for a Next Gen console, then where you pissed when Halo 3 was gonna be on Xbox 360 and Not Xbox? How about when Metal Gear 3 was gonna be on PS2 and not the first PS? How about when Super Mario 64 was on the Nintendo 64, and not the SNES? That argument, "A Game should be released on Older consoles, not newer ones!" would mean no new console would ever be made, ever.Treblaine said:Why would Bayonetta fans be happy to be forced into getting the WiiU? When the sequel could and should be released on Xbox 360 and/or PS3 that they already own as to be fans they played the prequel on PS3 or 360.
People do NOT have faith in WiiU. It's seen not as next-gen but overpriced and a gimmicky controller they don't want and especially don't want to pay for.
WiiU MIGHT be worth it with the following improvements:
-drop kick the tablet controller into a landfill and forget about it, don't sell it as a peripheral or a bundle
-With price savings from losing the gimmicky controller, cut the price down from $350 to $200 using a proper gamepad
-Forget the 8 to 32GB of flash memory, put a proper HDD in there and allow full game installs
-Render Wii 1 games in backwards-compatibility in higher res and post-processing anti-aliasing, this is not hard to drop in.
-have very robust online multiplayer and and open and fair store for developers.
2: For all intents and purposes, Yes, yes it is. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U#Technical_specifications] It is much more powerful then either the PS3 or XBox 360, it has more space then either of those two specifically for games (1 GB beats 512 MB any day), and it has 1080i HD instead of 720p HD. It is the next generation.
3:
-Oh sure, so every controller can be boring and unoriginal, and so people can complain about how there is no creativity in Controller design!
-I can't argue with that point.
-It's not Flash memory. HDD is flash memory. Nintendo is using SDD, and you can plug in any extra memory thing you want. 8 and 32 GB of SDD instantly can become 1TB of SDD if you simply plug a 1TB SD Card into it.
-Why? Most of the Wii Games suck! THe ones that are good don't need advancing, and why would you wanna improve the sucky ones?
-They will!
What makes be think that?BNguyen said:what makes you think that the tablet controller will be pointless? The way I see it, it can be used to make some game experiences quite unique and pull the gamer much more into the game itself, like for example if they decide to make a pokemon snap game for the WiiU it the tablet could actually be used as a camera or if Fatal Frame gets a release, basically same functioning.Treblaine said:Yeah, because I don't like what Nintendo is doing, but I don't wish bankruptcy on them, they have enough good that they just need to stop their bad practices.
Base system only $300? Then they can cut the price even more by ditching the pointless tablet controller. HDD connected to the CPU/RAM via a high speed low latency port, NOT via a USB drive chassis.
Gamecube didn't have a gimmick, it didn't need one to be good.
I've been using SSD on PC, the advances are not worth it for consoles, it's only barely worth it with PC for heavy image and video editing.
Or, now this is just my own idea, but say the tv screen shows you one point of view of a game and the tablet requires you to look through it to open up new pathways, find hidden items, etc. Of course the tablet couldn't be used the entire game otherwise it'd be too easy, but you get my point. Hand-held controllers like we've had for every console so far have only offered limited gameplay in terms of creativity, something new is what we need to expand gaming in new ways, its like the difference between going out and experiencing something and seeing it happen on a video at home.
Post of the day!Conn1496 said:Alternate title: "Angry nerds wanna see boobs, but don't want WiiU"
RAGEEEEE.
It cannot. It is developed by Nintendo, and Nintendo doesn't develop games for XBOX and PS3. They develop games for their own consoles, no one else.EcoEclipse said:Has anyone thought that maybe it's a timed exclusive?
Like how BioShock was released on PS3 over a year after the initial release.
Maybe, just maybe, Bayonetta 2 is a next-gen game, and would be released on Sony and Microsoft's next-gen consoles.
1: As much as you say it, doesn't mean it's not true. It IS Next Generation, regardless of your opinion.Treblaine said:It would suck if WiiU was a next-gen consoleMr.Mattress said:1: Your first complaint, plain and simply, sucks. That's like arguing for any new console to ever be made. If your made that Bayonetta 2 is coming for a Next Gen console, then where you pissed when Halo 3 was gonna be on Xbox 360 and Not Xbox? How about when Metal Gear 3 was gonna be on PS2 and not the first PS? How about when Super Mario 64 was on the Nintendo 64, and not the SNES? That argument, "A Game should be released on Older consoles, not newer ones!" would mean no new console would ever be made, ever.Treblaine said:Why would Bayonetta fans be happy to be forced into getting the WiiU? When the sequel could and should be released on Xbox 360 and/or PS3 that they already own as to be fans they played the prequel on PS3 or 360.
People do NOT have faith in WiiU. It's seen not as next-gen but overpriced and a gimmicky controller they don't want and especially don't want to pay for.
WiiU MIGHT be worth it with the following improvements:
-drop kick the tablet controller into a landfill and forget about it, don't sell it as a peripheral or a bundle
-With price savings from losing the gimmicky controller, cut the price down from $350 to $200 using a proper gamepad
-Forget the 8 to 32GB of flash memory, put a proper HDD in there and allow full game installs
-Render Wii 1 games in backwards-compatibility in higher res and post-processing anti-aliasing, this is not hard to drop in.
-have very robust online multiplayer and and open and fair store for developers.
2: For all intents and purposes, Yes, yes it is. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U#Technical_specifications] It is much more powerful then either the PS3 or XBox 360, it has more space then either of those two specifically for games (1 GB beats 512 MB any day), and it has 1080i HD instead of 720p HD. It is the next generation.
3:
-Oh sure, so every controller can be boring and unoriginal, and so people can complain about how there is no creativity in Controller design!
-I can't argue with that point.
-It's not Flash memory. HDD is flash memory. Nintendo is using SDD, and you can plug in any extra memory thing you want. 8 and 32 GB of SDD instantly can become 1TB of SDD if you simply plug a 1TB SD Card into it.
-Why? Most of the Wii Games suck! THe ones that are good don't need advancing, and why would you wanna improve the sucky ones?
-They will!
[HEADING=1]WiiU is NOT a next-gen console[/HEADING]
It is not progressive, it can't even install games to integrated Hard Drive. Integrated being the key word there.
Your cited specs do NOT put it significantly ahead of the current gen, especially considering how with new tech developers will be held back by unfamiliarity (compare Quake 4 to RAGE what difference familiarity can make on the same hardware) and how much the technically superior PS3 was haled back from its performance by not having as many programmer experience with coding for that.
" it has 1080i HD instead of 720p HD"
PS3 and 360 have been able to do 1080i since their launch.
Boring and unoriginal beat gimmick every day. Look at 360 controller vs Dual Shock 3.
"HDD is flash memory"
Wii has 2-3 decent Wii exclusives.
I'll believe their good online when I see it. Biggest problem is their conflict of focus and their bad reputation means they will be so unlikely to get the install base they need.
In my view it's like playing baldur's gate and having your inventory/skills screen up on a second monitor, that doesn't sound that bad to me. It actually sounds kind of convenient.Treblaine said:snip
Published by Nintendo, but Platinum is still the developer. So, the possibility is still there. Unless, as others have mentioned, Nintendo bought the franchise rights.Mr.Mattress said:It cannot. It is developed by Nintendo, and Nintendo doesn't develop games for XBOX and PS3. They develop games for their own consoles, no one else.EcoEclipse said:Has anyone thought that maybe it's a timed exclusive?
Like how BioShock was released on PS3 over a year after the initial release.
Maybe, just maybe, Bayonetta 2 is a next-gen game, and would be released on Sony and Microsoft's next-gen consoles.
yeah, just add more buttons until the controller is nothing but buttonsTreblaine said:What makes be think that?BNguyen said:what makes you think that the tablet controller will be pointless? The way I see it, it can be used to make some game experiences quite unique and pull the gamer much more into the game itself, like for example if they decide to make a pokemon snap game for the WiiU it the tablet could actually be used as a camera or if Fatal Frame gets a release, basically same functioning.Treblaine said:Yeah, because I don't like what Nintendo is doing, but I don't wish bankruptcy on them, they have enough good that they just need to stop their bad practices.
Base system only $300? Then they can cut the price even more by ditching the pointless tablet controller. HDD connected to the CPU/RAM via a high speed low latency port, NOT via a USB drive chassis.
Gamecube didn't have a gimmick, it didn't need one to be good.
I've been using SSD on PC, the advances are not worth it for consoles, it's only barely worth it with PC for heavy image and video editing.
Or, now this is just my own idea, but say the tv screen shows you one point of view of a game and the tablet requires you to look through it to open up new pathways, find hidden items, etc. Of course the tablet couldn't be used the entire game otherwise it'd be too easy, but you get my point. Hand-held controllers like we've had for every console so far have only offered limited gameplay in terms of creativity, something new is what we need to expand gaming in new ways, its like the difference between going out and experiencing something and seeing it happen on a video at home.
Because when you play a console game your focus is on the BIG SCREEN! Looking down is completely redundant, we have solved this already by pressing buttons to change what is ON the big screen not needing a whole different screen.
All this raving about the potential of WiiU's Tablet controller, it's like it's 2006 all over again with how revolutionary Six-axis controller will supposedly be.
Turns out it's just a shallow gimmick.
"Or, now this is just my own idea, but say the tv screen shows you one point of view of a game and the tablet requires you to look through it to open up new pathways, find hidden items"
or press a button to switch perspectives on the big screen. There, a practical solution. Tablet is a gimmicky overpriced solution. This WiiU tablet controller is a TERRIBLE solution in search of a trivial non-problem.
ALL of these cases of "show something different" is it far easier jsut to push a button to change the output to the main-screen than manufacturing a whole new small screen, try to integrate it into the controller and send the video at high speed and low latency, wirelessly and somehow not have the device weight a ton, cost a fortune or drain battery faster the Large Hadron Collider.
That is NOT WORTH the convenience of not needing to press a button.
From the earlies games we have used buttons to change what is visible, a button for inventory, a button for the map screen, and also for even changing perspective even to the perspective of another character.
DustyDrB said:It wouldn't be made at all without Nintendo stepping in to publish it. Them's the facts. Don't think you're going to want a Wii U and are mad that you then won't be able to play the game?
well apparently to the developer for selling out to Nintendo instead of letting the franchise die even though they raged about wanting a sequel and to Nintendo for doing business and saving a game from being scrapped and apparently for existing at all and creating a new method of playing games with a unique controller rather than the standard all buttons two joysticks routeOverusedname said:DustyDrB said:It wouldn't be made at all without Nintendo stepping in to publish it. Them's the facts. Don't think you're going to want a Wii U and are mad that you then won't be able to play the game?
What he said. There was literally no alternative, the game just didn't sell well enough and nintendo decided to save it and publish it anyway. Who is everyone angry at again...?