Gamers Upset at Blizzcon's Slur-Ridden Speech

[Thyunda]

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

And a friendly "Up Yours" to you. Nobody has ever cared what you had to say. You are just another nobody with no concept of art as your japanese mecha avatar clearly shows. Silly taunts aside. Seriously, don't push everyone over the same edge, not cool.

OT: That people even became offended is pretty offensive. People are so thin-skinned these days they'll cry about just anything.

Now, to insult my avatar is not only incredibly petty, but also totally irrelevant, since I didn't choose the picture because I liked it, but because I didn't actually have anything else on my hard drive at the time. I do NOW, but changing avatars is such a pain. So I keep an Armoured Core one, despite my hatred of all things Japanese. Well, except Japanese people. I hate their culture and style, not them themselves.

And is true, nobody DOES care what I have to say, but I don't go giving myself some stupid name and screaming over a microphone about morbid topics that I think I'm being unique by 'daring' to approach.

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

Condemning a whole genre of artistic creation for the statements made by one musician is a great way to present an argument, I hear. Perhaps, before you try to consider such creation, you should keep your mind open about it, you might find something you like.

Ignorance is fun.

I've never really been a fan of Cannibal corpse, that said. Corpsegrinder doesn't really strike me as the brightest cookie in the death metal bunch, so, I'm surprised they even let him up there. I'd much rather have Paul Masvidal alongside me, on stage.

You got mixed up. I'm not judging the genre based on him, I'm judging him based on the genre. If the genre wasn't already synonymous with being stupidly controversial for the sake of it, there might actually be something unexpected about this.

It's interesting how I've managed to stay away from bands like that... well, lyrics-wise, anyway. I am a huge metal fan, but not so much "death metal" simply because I cannot stand either their sound or the lyrics. Usually the lyrics. There was a band called Red Funeral (I think) that had a fantastic song until I looked up the lyrics and realized the song was about raping a girl. After a quick NOPE I went and listened to As Blood Runs Black (their songs aren't exactly the pinnacle of music, but their drummer is awesome and the lyrics are surprisingly good. For the first album, at least).

I remember watching a documentary on metal (the history of it), and it just got sad when they turned to the black metal genre and its roots, because it went from false, controversy-creating shenanigans (in the US with bands like Black Sabbath and co.) to legitimate church-burnings and hate. I just realized that this is a possible metaphor for this article and the people who play WoW, some get that it's only a game and poke fun of people, others take it very seriously and ruin it for everyone.

Ah, finally, somebody whose first reaction isn't to go OMG THIS GUY HATES METAL! GET HIM!
I don't hate all metal. However, I hate death metal as a genre and as a culture. And it IS fair to generalise death metal, because the very definition of DEATH metal practically rules that they HAVE to be everything that I hate about them. Your Red Funeral example is a damn good one. I know Rammstein pull stuff like that sometimes, with songs like Liebe Ist Fur Alle Da, but at least they take the effort to be poetic about it - and almost justify it, I notice. Rammstein logic is worryingly sound.

 

[VoidWanderer]

... And this is why I am glad I will not go back to WoW

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Folks need to learn to take life, and video games, and silly promotional stunts a lot less seriously.

 

[5t3v0]

Uh... Corpsegrinder. I'm not even a CC fan and that discrepency Irks me... (probably been said, but too lazy)

Though yeah, I too notice a massive amount of hatred towards the Alliance, but I know nothing of the Warcraft series, so my opinion doesnt count...

 

[Samurai Silhouette]

People are probably more upset that he was bashing their faction rather than the anti-homo statements.

Also, that song would have been much MUCH better in my opinion without that creature croaking into the mic and swirling his hair. Got to be some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen.

 

[Kasawd]

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

And a friendly "Up Yours" to you. Nobody has ever cared what you had to say. You are just another nobody with no concept of art as your japanese mecha avatar clearly shows. Silly taunts aside. Seriously, don't push everyone over the same edge, not cool.

OT: That people even became offended is pretty offensive. People are so thin-skinned these days they'll cry about just anything.

Now, to insult my avatar is not only incredibly petty, but also totally irrelevant, since I didn't choose the picture because I liked it, but because I didn't actually have anything else on my hard drive at the time. I do NOW, but changing avatars is such a pain. So I keep an Armoured Core one, despite my hatred of all things Japanese. Well, except Japanese people. I hate their culture and style, not them themselves.

And is true, nobody DOES care what I have to say, but I don't go giving myself some stupid name and screaming over a microphone about morbid topics that I think I'm being unique by 'daring' to approach.

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

Condemning a whole genre of artistic creation for the statements made by one musician is a great way to present an argument, I hear. Perhaps, before you try to consider such creation, you should keep your mind open about it, you might find something you like.

Ignorance is fun.

I've never really been a fan of Cannibal corpse, that said. Corpsegrinder doesn't really strike me as the brightest cookie in the death metal bunch, so, I'm surprised they even let him up there. I'd much rather have Paul Masvidal alongside me, on stage.

You got mixed up. I'm not judging the genre based on him, I'm judging him based on the genre. If the genre wasn't already synonymous with being stupidly controversial for the sake of it, there might actually be something unexpected about this.

It's interesting how I've managed to stay away from bands like that... well, lyrics-wise, anyway. I am a huge metal fan, but not so much "death metal" simply because I cannot stand either their sound or the lyrics. Usually the lyrics. There was a band called Red Funeral (I think) that had a fantastic song until I looked up the lyrics and realized the song was about raping a girl. After a quick NOPE I went and listened to As Blood Runs Black (their songs aren't exactly the pinnacle of music, but their drummer is awesome and the lyrics are surprisingly good. For the first album, at least).

I remember watching a documentary on metal (the history of it), and it just got sad when they turned to the black metal genre and its roots, because it went from false, controversy-creating shenanigans (in the US with bands like Black Sabbath and co.) to legitimate church-burnings and hate. I just realized that this is a possible metaphor for this article and the people who play WoW, some get that it's only a game and poke fun of people, others take it very seriously and ruin it for everyone.

Ah, finally, somebody whose first reaction isn't to go OMG THIS GUY HATES METAL! GET HIM!
I don't hate all metal. However, I hate death metal as a genre and as a culture. And it IS fair to generalise death metal, because the very definition of DEATH metal practically rules that they HAVE to be everything that I hate about them. Your Red Funeral example is a damn good one. I know Rammstein pull stuff like that sometimes, with songs like Liebe Ist Fur Alle Da, but at least they take the effort to be poetic about it - and almost justify it, I notice. Rammstein logic is worryingly sound.

Re-reads under the weight of a massive quote because he is entirely too lazy to snip.

I see what you mean, now, but, if you do not introduce the second party after finishing a sentence in which you imply a lack of something, if the sentence is viewed as negative, it will be assumed, in a literary sense, that you are simply continuing commentary on the original party.

I certainly was mixed up, but, your original comment does nothing but encourage the mix-up, as I'd imagine you already see. I didn't say you hated metal, just suggested you condemned death metal.

You made what smacked of sweeping generalization and were called out on it.

 

[Thyunda]

Re-reads under the weight of a massive quote because he is entirely too lazy to snip.

I see what you mean, now, but, if you do not introduce the second party after finishing a sentence in which you imply a lack of something, if the sentence is viewed as negative, it will be assumed, in a literary sense, that you are simply continuing commentary on the original party.

I certainly was mixed up, but, your original comment does nothing but encourage the mix-up, as I'd imagine you already see. I didn't say you hated metal, just suggested you condemned death metal.

You made what smacked of sweeping generalization and were called out on it.

But I DID make a sweeping generalisation. It is as I explained. Metal that falls into the categories of 'things I hate' also falls into the category of 'death metal'. It's only as sweeping a generalisation of the genre as it would be a generalisation to say "I hate all members of the Nazi party because they're ignorant and with a sense of self-superiority."

The point of my comment was this: If a death metal lyricist is going to say something publicly, don't hold your breath for a sentimental piece. The fact it was a guy named 'Corpsegrinder' just tells me he's gonna be a fat, greasy-haired American saying some controversial things. Because that's what they do. That's what got Cannibal Corpse banned in some countries. It's almost a prerequisite for a death metal band to BE controversial.

Note - There's nothing wrong with being a fat, greasy-haired American. Unfortunately, a large number of death metal fans or musicians fit said description.

Like the fat, greasy haired Brit my brother knows who claimed to speak German because he could translate 'du hast', and even then, he did it wrong.

 

[Therumancer]

Yes, the whole "Alliance Syndrome" is well known, to be honest, while the reason I stopped playing WoW was largely the collapse of my guild and not wanting to rebuild, I got sick of the treatment of The Alliance (not to mention not liking the "Cataclysm" expansion in general).

One of the final straws was how The Horde got goblins who had racial haste (attack speed), crafting bonuses for alchemy, a summonable banker, and an instant cast device/abillity that could be used as a free blink or DD attack. In comparison The Alliance got the Worgen whose major abillity is to bend over in the anal sex position (which helps them run a little faster for a few seconds).

This kind of behavior at cons and such isn't especially uncommon, and really combined with the favortism and game imbalances it's not surprising that we've seen things leaking over into public statements. Give it another year or so and Blizzard probably won't even bother
to make apologies.

If Blizzard ever wants to make this right, they need to nerf the horde to balance out the period of time they have had advantages and unrepaired exploits, since all of those things compounded. By exploits I mean things like how you used to be able to hide a druid in cat form inside of a mounted Tauren model to do flag captures and such... which was worked on, but it took a long time, and never did address the issue of all the gear/honorkills/etc.. obtained as a result of this exploit which resulted in a continued advantage. That's ancient but summarizes the basic problems. Even if total game balance is achieved, there is still the issue of counterbalancing the effects on the game power structure caused by the existance of those imbalanced. If Alliance is ever compensated, or horder is deliverably nerfed, it might contribute to me making a return, but I doubt that will ever happen. The bottom line is the game needs to be balanced in an absolute sense, but before that can happen parity needs to be restored. With Blizzard's attitude about the cold, hard, facts, is it any surprise they have created this kind of enviroment?

It also hasn't gone unnoticed that outside their offices they have a giant orc statue... of course it matches the one of a human warrior right next to it... oh wait...

 

[Ubermetalhed]

I think people should instead of getting annoyed at the sweeping generalisations about metal by Escapists realise that the article writer is the one who started or insinuated this.

There was no need for 'or if like me you don't like metal' or the comment on death metal being a largely homophobic genre in this article.

The Escapist needs to stop putting biased personal opinions in these articles and just report the news. Relating the whole genre to the stupid comments of one idiotic frontman whom the writer repeatedly fails to even get his nickname right is not good journalism and is in fact unnecessarily stirring things as the rest of this thread has proved.

EDIT: Also I might add I know a number of LGBT people and they are very big metal and death metal fans, saying the two groups do not exist is pure ignorance.

 

[akfg666]

Who actually cares? It's a game...get over it. You get pissed about this sort of thing or get violent over a game then quite simply you are a very sad person indeed

 

[Fwee]

Saw that video years ago. It's just George in an interview at (if I remember correctly) a large music festival and having a good time (probably about five beers in at least) and getting passionate about the video game he loves to play.

I found the video to be humorous, although people who get a little to into their "side" in videogames can make me start to get uncomfortable. If someone gets that serious about a game I start to wonder about what their families are like.

Maybe they shouldn't have played the video for Blizzcon, is all I can think. Someone might get offended, and their precious little lives will be shattered forever because someone with a different attitude said something that they'll never unhear.

I'm really just trying to say, relax a little and try not to be such a putty.
O_.

I meant to type "pussy" but accidentally typed "putty", like Tweety.
I'll leave it.

 

[bird of hermes]

So what I'm getting from this thread is that nobody's gone on a rant like that for the hell of it? I think it's pretty obvious Corpsegrinder's joking around. This video isn't even new; it's been around for quite some time.

It's also depressing how Thyunda is making sweeping generalizations of an entire genre of music just because it doesn't suit his tastes. Death metal isn't all about controversy, dude, I would know because I listen to tons of it.

 

[Satosuke]

Well, Cannibal Corpse is a joke of a metal band anyway, so why anyone cares is beyond me. It's not like it's someone respectable like Russel Allen or Bruce Dickinson saying these derptastic things; it's frickin' Corpsegrinder, a singer for a band that releases the same boring album every time with different artwork...or lack thereof, in the case of Kill.

Cannibal Corpse are not brutal. They're juvenile, as were his words here. He's not homophobic, he's just a manchild still stuck on the schoolyard calling other kids names.

 

[Something Amyss]

Music for 12 year olds to teabag to.

I'm surprised anyone thought this was a good idea, but hey, it's a con.

 

[AWAR]

Give this man a break, he has Down syndrome, you think it's funny?

 

[solidsamurai]

I would hasten to ask, with the chinese government becoming increasingly opposed to internet cafes why would they be more accepting of an MMO addition of their national symbol now than then? Does the Joyland amusement park simply possess that kind of pull?

Originally the Pandaren storyline contained drunken samurai pandas, among other things. Essentially, the entire lore was much more Japan oriented than Chinese. Now we have Kung Fu Pandaren. One storyline is manifestly more acceptable to the Chinese government.

That and I the original art held kimonos, famer cone-sunhats (whatever those things are called, I'm pretty sure they're chinese; chinese farmers traditionally wear them rite?), and katanas. So it was a mix of Japanese and Chinese - it can be seen how that could offend some chinese (racial as they are about the japanese).

Cannibal Corpse are not brutal. They're juvenile, as were his words here. He's not homophobic, he's just a manchild still stuck on the schoolyard calling other kids names.

These days, brutal and juvenile are increasingly becoming the same thing. Which is a bit scary. Feeds distrust of the young, doesn't it? Also, it always has fascinated me all of my life how 'brutal' people have the confidence to commit to acts of brutality.

 

[thefrizzlefry]

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

Uh, not to disturb you, but there's this band outside, Cynic, and they say they want to have a word with you.

 

[Thyunda]

So what I'm getting from this thread is that nobody's gone on a rant like that for the hell of it? I think it's pretty obvious Corpsegrinder's joking around. This video isn't even new; it's been around for quite some time.

It's also depressing how Thyunda is making sweeping generalizations of an entire genre of music just because it doesn't suit his tastes. Death metal isn't all about controversy, dude, I would know because I listen to tons of it.

Then why is it DEATH metal and not some other, acceptable kind of metal?

 

[BaronOfStuff]

BAWWWWWW.

Seriously, it's just a fucking game.

 

[trouble_gum]

I understand that something like "******" isn't a swear but for some reason, I should take great offense when I'm called one anyway

Faggots were small bunches of sticks, usually used in med-evil times fires to burn PEOPLE as in Witches and Homosexuals. Current usage puts the emphasis on the homosexual aspect, with the general implication is that the person your calling it should be burned alive for being homosexual. Admittedly, I doubt screaming online teens get the full implication of what their saying, but its very much meant as perjorative towards being homosexual

Uh...no.

Faggots were bundles of firewood. They were used to light fires. Not specifically or exclusively for burning witches, homosexuals or heretics.

Spoiler: thanks Wikipedia

A ****** in the meaning of "bundle" is an archaic English unit applied to various-sized collections of sticks:

1 short ****** of sticks = 2 ft girth × 3 ft long bundle of short wood sticks/billets
1 long ****** of sticks = 2 ft girth × 4 ft long bundle of long wood sticks/billets
1 ****** of iron = 2 ft girth × 1 ft long bundle of iron/steel rods/bars

Whilst there are attempts to associate its modern perjorative meaning against homosexuals with being burned at the stake, there's very little to support this connection as death by burning was not used for sexual deviancy in Medieval Britain and it's generally considered more likely that it derives from the terms historical usage as a perjorative for old women (c.f "sissy", "queen").