"Games Cause Rape" Psychiatrist Defends Her Position

infohippie

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Brian Hendershot said:
How many people have actually played RapeLay? That's what I really wanna know.
I have. It's crap. I mean really crap. But I wouldn't have bothered, wouldn't even have heard of it, if it hadn't been for the media going "Oh Noes! Evul Gamez! Think of the children!" So, commercial media - you're shooting yourselves in the foot. Repeatedly.
 

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ZP was right at the beginning of his Manhunt review. Although this person has the paper credentials, she has no concept of gaming with real life. O'Rilly and this woman caused my conservative brain the stop watching Fox. Pink Floyd was right about these people, "Crazy, toys in the attic..."
 

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Yeah.....numbers of rape across the nation going down AND video games becoming mainstream within the past decade. That totally means that video games are causing more rapes. Also just because the majority of AVERAGE PEOPLE think the columbine massacre was caused by violent media doesn't mean anything worthwhile. People are stupid and I'm also sure the majority of them didn't have advanced psychology degrees or the chance to get inside the kids heads.
 

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When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list, so I, obviously mistakenly, assumed that people still knew about the studies showing this connection - and believed them to have proven the link."
So because a national poll revealed that people thought that media violence was to blame that makes it true.

Gosh, you learn something new every day.

Fucking crackpot.
 

Therumancer

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Okay, down the rabbit hole again.

Let me be blunt, I disagree with her overall conclusions, but being intentionally ignorant just because we disagree with someone does NOT do our side any credit. Sitting here and saying there is a clear reduction in rapes in the USA is stupid, because anyone who has bothered to actually look into the subject (which I did when this first came up) will find that there are contridictory claims, with research and statistics backing both sides of the equasion. There are no clear answers because people have vested interests in issues like this. Reporting a low incidence of rape is something a politician can use to support why they should be re-elected. Reporting a high incidence of rape on the other hand has a direct effect on the funding things like rape crisis centers get, as well as the careers of the people involved in dealing with such incidents. Low rape statistics oftentimes are used to justify cutting the budgets for things like rape crisis centers.

According to the information I dug up, the USA is #9 in the numbr of rapes in proportion to the population, and #1 in the number of rapes in an absolute sense (national comparisons). Things like rape crisis centers have claimed things like there being three rape victims every minute, and then I found a paper from like 1996 dealing with the massive problems we have on the subject, which is noteworthy largely for pointing out that the problem existed before gaming was anywhere near this mainstream. You can find the links to the research I did in response to the original Escapist article on this subject.

The overall point here is that if you do a search you'll find claims that we have the lowest rate of rapes in 20 years, alongside the rest of this stuff. You have people claiming differant things, depending on their vested interests... it's like anyone else providing statistics as sick as it might be in a case like this. As gamers we want to believe in the whole "the number of rapes is decreasing" because it contridicts what one of our opponents is saying, but that doesn't mean the other side of the story is invalid, since we ourselves are loading our own arguement due to having a vested interest.

The problem with being fanatical defenders of a point of view in cases like this is that we wind up becoming just as ignorant and offensive as the other side, leading them to greater lengths, and actually turning the majority against us due to our own behavior. Back when Paper and Pencil RPGs were under fire, I think the issues persisted for so long largely because of the ridiculous behavior of gamers in response, and how aggressively ignorant we were. All of the "yeah we're Satanists, booga, booga" stuff hardly helped even if it generated some laughs, and on top of that trying to deny things like the Egbert case or the horrible way that Gary Gygax handled it was even worse. It's sad to say but as loaded as things like "Mazes and Monsters" were (based on a book that was based on a true story, distorted, and sensationalized) "we" were quite honestly worse.

I'll also be honest in saying that "Rapelay" is simply a well-known example to the public, which is why it used, if you bother to pay attention to porn games, even to the point of just seeing what's out there, then honestly your going to find that it's just the tip of the iceberg. Trying to act like "Rapelay" is some kind of rare exception is wrong, because there are quite simply TONS of rape games out there. Sites like "Something Awful" have done mocking reviews on them:

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/

Rapelay is one of the titles they examined, but really I don't even think it's the most "intense" or disturbing entry on their list, and they haven't been adding more material for like two years now.

I think she's wrong to extend this kind of thing to all of gaming in a shotgun effect of course, but I can't disagree that kids getting their hands on this kind of material and playing it regularly might wind up becoming fairly warped by it. It's pretty much a stereotype to have female characters (oftentimes the protaganists) whose problems wind up being solved by being routinely raped. Some 13 year old who develops sexually with such material might very well see relationships in such a way where he thinks date raping a reluctant girlfriend will turn out okay since she'll wind up liking and benefitting from the experience. We can argue morality, but in general an adult can seperate fantasy from reality in situations like that, with kids... not so much, especially when these games make pretensions of being similators of real relationships in some way. Or course in the end this comes down to parenting more than any need for the games (or adult entertainment in general, adult movies cover a lot of the same material) to be banned or more closely censored and regulated. The overall message of these studies is pretty much "giving porn to kids is bad" and honestly I don't think there is much disagreement with that from anyone, on either side of the arguement.
 
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Fool and all those like her!Reason why California is broke.All this obvious b.s. standing right in front of her and she makes up her own "facts"
 

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*sigh* can't we set her adrift along with all the wacko poliTITions.

Fear not my digital brothers and sisters.

they can cry wolf about violent video games all they want it wont change anything as it didn't with TV, Film, books or any other media these retards have been banging on about violent media for literally hundreds of years. At the end of the day the world is ruled by £,$ and the other ones that I don't have on this keyboard. they can cry all they want but as long as people keep buying games people will keep making them. there is NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT.

EDIT: the guy who invented the letter box regretted it as he believed it would cause a plague of adultery because it allowed women to send there own letters. the cycle of ill-informed outrage will continue forever.

Even if they did outlaw games (never gonna happen) you'll still be able to get them from your local crack dealer and I bet they'd love that. (strange thought guys in hoodys on street corners selling the latest call of duty lol)

Hell if the twenties prohibition and the current so called "war on drugs" has shown us anything prohibition doesn't work. the worse we may face is the age rating on games going up but hey I'm 28 so I don't really care about that. Most kids probably don't either as they can get drunk and get cigs if they really want to I'm sure they could get age restricted games as well.
 

Therumancer

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Fronzel said:
Therumancer said:
Trying to act like "Rapelay" is some kind of rare exception is wrong, because there are quite simply TONS of rape games out there. Sites like "Something Awful" have done mocking reviews on them:

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/
A small minority of those game SA reviewed are rape-based. They're all porn games, but they're not all rape games.
I'm not sure if I agree with you, I haven't ever broken it down by the numbers but one of the recurring jokes is that a game won't get as bad of a score as it otherwise would have for not involving rape or anything off the deep end of deviance.

The thing is that the term "rape" is not nessicarly going to be present in the title. For example it's a theme in things like "Water Closet" even if the title implies other fetishes.

You might be right, in it being a minority since my memory isn't that good, but I don't think it's a tiny minority by any means.
 

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http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1012/epic-facepalm-epic-facepalm-fail-spacetime-continuum-demotivational-posters-1293247316.jpg
There is nothing else to say
 

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Andy Chalk said:
"When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list, so I, obviously mistakenly, assumed that people still knew about the studies showing this connection - and believed them to have proven the link."
Here's what the poll probably looked like:
What Caused The Columbine Murders to Take Place?
* Marlyn Manson
* Video Games
* Communism
* The Catcher In The Rye

I voted for bowling. Also, why weren't there "I don't know the fuckers, so my opinions can't change the fabric of reality" and "Can't they just be crazy?" options?

On another note, my Psychology class of high school even said that polls don't prove anything. I remember actually reading a short comic that lampshaded its stupidity.
 

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She may be very gifted in helping people, but her personal bias prevents any scientific evidence from permeating her already made up mind. I'm sure she's familiar with the term Cognitive Dissonance, but it probably wouldn't do any good pointing it out to her. *sigh*

Probably won't do any good to point out the fact that Personal Experience (aka a poll about what people "think" caused columbine) has really must basis beyond possibilities and perceptions. They are by no means fact and correlation does not imply causation.

I really feel sorry for people who substitute emotions and personal experience in the place of science and fact because they really don't understand how ignorant they look to the rest of us, and whats worse, most of them are too busy talking that arguing with them is pointless - they aren't going to listen anyway.

Maybe she and Jack Thompson can go have tea together, perhaps get laid and let go of some of their anger...
 

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funny, i've hit up hours upon hours of games ... never ever got the urge to rape someone

usually a few hours into my session i'll look at the clock then everything'll go fuzzy for a minute then out of nowhere the clock's gone forward by a few hours, i smell like sweat, blood and womans perfume and i'll feel strangely relieved ..... hmm ...

that happens to everyone though right?
 

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"What? People caught my bullshit?
I know! I'll pretend studies back me up and insult people for being too stupid to read said imaginary studies!"

Someone's a winner.
 

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RagnorakTres said:
Oh, I have been waiting for this, and I'm glad that her response confirms my suspicions.

The woman is an unrepentant ***** with no quandaries about misrepresenting facts and spinning tales from wholecloth simply to support her biased opinions that she presents as facts.

Of course, she's a contributor to Rupert Murdock's Right Wing "News" Conglomerate, so I expected little else, though I did perhaps allow myself to hope that she was simply ill-informed and not willfully ignorant. It is the repeated crushing of this optimistic outlook by the cruelty of the real world that has resulted in the angry and resentful person writing this.

I need a drink, wash the bitter taste of disappointment in humanity out of my mouth.
Well said, I agree with you and admire your writing style. I dismissed her the moment she said something that awful during the broadcast and I dismiss her now after her most recent comment.
 

TilMorrow

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YEEEAA... NO!

She's joking right? I think someone needs to give her position as a psychologist a mighty big review after all of this.
 

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Siege_TF said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list, so I, obviously mistakenly, assumed that people still knew about the studies showing this connection - and believed them to have proven the link."
So because a national poll revealed that people thought that media violence was to blame that makes it true.

Gosh, you learn something new every day.

Fucking crackpot.
I've already commented, but somehow I missed that and came back to call this out on that little touch, and was beaten to it. (No surprise after 400 comments).

The whole 'gamers must be rapists, I have proof that says some (not many) people (not kids) believe (not know) that media violence (not game violence specifically) caused the killings (by two whacked out nutjobs, not normal people)'

Fuck me sideways with a spork, if that's 'proof' I say open the doors of all the jails, there can't be anyone in there who actually did something.

I wouldn't mind so much, but that's her defence, that 2 nutters murdered a bunch of people and some of the public believe that it was media violence that caused it.

That to her means gamers are rapists and Bejeweled teaches you where to buy Rohypnol.

Just whoa.

If nothing else, while rape is a crime of violence, it doesn't follow that someone who enjoys violence will be a rapist. I like the Saw movies, but rape scenes in any movies make me uncomfortable, you know, like any regular person would be.