"Games Cause Rape" Psychiatrist Defends Her Position
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Ten bucks says she is a creationist too.
Also, someone needs to destroy FOX. They are nothing more than a collection of trolls, and worse, trolls that influences people. Fair Game Act (or whatever it was called) needs to come back. Every bastard at FOX will die homeless and I won't have to see attack ads every fucking election. I don't even see the parties promoting themselves anymore. They just spam attack ads now.
Also, someone needs to destroy FOX. They are nothing more than a collection of trolls, and worse, trolls that influences people. Fair Game Act (or whatever it was called) needs to come back. Every bastard at FOX will die homeless and I won't have to see attack ads every fucking election. I don't even see the parties promoting themselves anymore. They just spam attack ads now.
dissecting this, a couple of fun thoughts:
1. Even assuming that the studies she links conclusively proved that video games correlated to violence (which they don't) none of them say anything about a propensity towards rape or sexual abuse being connected to games
2. the paragraph she spends blowing her own horn is about "media violence" in general, lending nothing to her actual credibility. Stephen Colbert testified in Congress, does that make him an expert on migrant workers?
3. Claiming further than a new theory was "assumed" is a terrible idea. Any scientist, any academic (like me, even as a humble sophomore) could tell you that even if it's a well known topic, you start with an introduction. You explain the history of your topic, and any notable research in the field. Imagine if every scientist who discussed evolutionary theory simply stated "well I assumed you knew every detail of this topic, I filed away my data already". In short, it's poor form under the best of lights, and given how off point her supporting evidence is (a manifesto is an opinion, not fact), this makes her even less credible.
4. Finally, citing an opinion poll of people who blamed "media violence" on Columbine proves nothing. Once again, that's just what people think, and has no actual basis in fact. Furthermore, part of that effect could doubtless be blamed on the media itself, and on people like you who helped to propagate the theory. Society is a mirror reflecting what the media shows it, and sometimes it's the other way around. Think of the many killers who've plagued our schools and our streets over the years, how many were directly affected by gaming?
Sorry Dr. Lieberman, if you want to make a horrendously offensive claim about our form of entertainment, bring your A game. Better yet, just do your homework.
1. Even assuming that the studies she links conclusively proved that video games correlated to violence (which they don't) none of them say anything about a propensity towards rape or sexual abuse being connected to games
2. the paragraph she spends blowing her own horn is about "media violence" in general, lending nothing to her actual credibility. Stephen Colbert testified in Congress, does that make him an expert on migrant workers?
3. Claiming further than a new theory was "assumed" is a terrible idea. Any scientist, any academic (like me, even as a humble sophomore) could tell you that even if it's a well known topic, you start with an introduction. You explain the history of your topic, and any notable research in the field. Imagine if every scientist who discussed evolutionary theory simply stated "well I assumed you knew every detail of this topic, I filed away my data already". In short, it's poor form under the best of lights, and given how off point her supporting evidence is (a manifesto is an opinion, not fact), this makes her even less credible.
4. Finally, citing an opinion poll of people who blamed "media violence" on Columbine proves nothing. Once again, that's just what people think, and has no actual basis in fact. Furthermore, part of that effect could doubtless be blamed on the media itself, and on people like you who helped to propagate the theory. Society is a mirror reflecting what the media shows it, and sometimes it's the other way around. Think of the many killers who've plagued our schools and our streets over the years, how many were directly affected by gaming?
Sorry Dr. Lieberman, if you want to make a horrendously offensive claim about our form of entertainment, bring your A game. Better yet, just do your homework.
Hey look! Jack Thompson's replacement is in!
(Incidentally, should I be making more SNL jokes at this?)
(Incidentally, should I be making more SNL jokes at this?)
Whoa. No. o.otimeadept said:
As you said, there are many reasons to study on rape. Even I could find reasons to study the topic of rape for my own education/motives/reasons without ever wanting to be a rapist of any sort. That statement was exclusively for me and my life. Promise. o.o
Exactly what I was thinking. Since when did mass ignorance account for fact? Did I miss something here? Psychiatrists/Psychologists are usually treated as the lesser of the sciences and she is not doing anything to help the stigma, that is for sure. It's sad that someone like this can get a license and then go around saying whatever they want without any hard evidence.Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Well atleast we now know what a female version of Doctor Nick (from the Simpsons) would look like.
It is reasonable to comment or be quoted in the media with a claim of some sort of statistical link without having to provide or cite examples if you can reasonably show the evidence upon request. That is, assuming that the statement is sufficiently qualified to provide the reader with information.
In this case the statement is:
"The increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in videogames,"
Dr. Carol Lieberman does not provide sufficient information in this sentence for it to be understandable, at no point does she say where and when the increase has occurred. Even if we assume it's in countries where video games are played we have no idea about the timespan she is referring to. The use of videogames as a class of media could use more detail but we can assume she's implying those that satisfy the condition of showing the content.
From there, Dr. Lieberman would have to satisfy two main points. Firstly she would need to provide evidence that there has been an increase over the time period and in the areas.
Secondly, requiring a lot more work she would need to show that use of these video games has such a substantial effect on behaviour so as to be considered a major factor in the crimes. And, that this factor outweighs all others, most notably population increase.
Ultimately we need only point out that the first part of her statement, that these crimes have increased are false. For the claim that video games are behind it we merely need look at the evidence she has put forward, none of it supports her statement.
Clearly she is a 'media psychiatrist', she clearly revels in the fame of her achievements and appears to consider furthering her career above the quality of work she provides. She seems to be willing to make outrageous and indefensible arguments in the way of creating moral panic to increase her standing in that community.
In this case the statement is:
"The increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in videogames,"
Dr. Carol Lieberman does not provide sufficient information in this sentence for it to be understandable, at no point does she say where and when the increase has occurred. Even if we assume it's in countries where video games are played we have no idea about the timespan she is referring to. The use of videogames as a class of media could use more detail but we can assume she's implying those that satisfy the condition of showing the content.
From there, Dr. Lieberman would have to satisfy two main points. Firstly she would need to provide evidence that there has been an increase over the time period and in the areas.
Secondly, requiring a lot more work she would need to show that use of these video games has such a substantial effect on behaviour so as to be considered a major factor in the crimes. And, that this factor outweighs all others, most notably population increase.
Ultimately we need only point out that the first part of her statement, that these crimes have increased are false. For the claim that video games are behind it we merely need look at the evidence she has put forward, none of it supports her statement.
Clearly she is a 'media psychiatrist', she clearly revels in the fame of her achievements and appears to consider furthering her career above the quality of work she provides. She seems to be willing to make outrageous and indefensible arguments in the way of creating moral panic to increase her standing in that community.
