Wow, I must be rather lucky with GFWL then, the only "problems" I experienced with it were the TOS on XBox page and the keys, but for a 10 cent copy of AoE3 when the cheapest copy around here is $30, I was willing to wait.
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A lot of people still don't know they had gotten everyone a key before the end of the very next day. You had to wait less than twenty hours to get your key. It isn't that big of a deal, especially compared to bigger services like Steam. Risen buyers didn't get their key for four days.
A lot of people still don't know they had gotten everyone a key before the end of the very next day. You had to wait less than twenty hours to get your key. It isn't that big of a deal, especially compared to bigger services like Steam. Risen buyers didn't get their key for four days.
Good point, mail order still works, tho as I say, the 'real' stores are slowly giving up on PC, as all the profit seems to be in consoles, and of course they don't have to deal with clueless people buying PC games as gifts then trying to return them because of not understand about recommended specs etc.
That's where Game and the like can be good, explaining stuff to those not in the know, and advising on a good game or system to buy as a gift, however, it does all depend on the staff and the ethics of the company, from what I've heard of Gamestop they'd recommend MS rail simulator to someone with a phobia of trains if it made them an extra dollar's profit for the day.
That's where Game and the like can be good, explaining stuff to those not in the know, and advising on a good game or system to buy as a gift, however, it does all depend on the staff and the ethics of the company, from what I've heard of Gamestop they'd recommend MS rail simulator to someone with a phobia of trains if it made them an extra dollar's profit for the day.
I was actually surprised by all this. I never heard of GFWL (I thought it was something new) before this sale, so I downloaded it fine. I didn't have nearly as many problems as you. Provided, it downloaded at about half the pace I typically expect from Steam on a good day. I never had any actual crashed, but it did lock up my computer twice. A simple Ctrl+Alt+Del was all it took to fix that (but that's hardly an excuse).
I never really planned to use it any more. I'm not much of a PC gamer, and I prefer physical copies (though Steam sales are AWESOME), and I really had no need for it. Microsoft has been disappointing time and time again in it's first-party software, so I hardly gave it much thought.
But this article was helpful. I was surprised to hear that it ran in the background invisibly even when closed, so I went right in and uninstalled it. I got my AoE for 10 MS Points (that was a nice surprise, actually) so I have no further need for this.
I never really planned to use it any more. I'm not much of a PC gamer, and I prefer physical copies (though Steam sales are AWESOME), and I really had no need for it. Microsoft has been disappointing time and time again in it's first-party software, so I hardly gave it much thought.
But this article was helpful. I was surprised to hear that it ran in the background invisibly even when closed, so I went right in and uninstalled it. I got my AoE for 10 MS Points (that was a nice surprise, actually) so I have no further need for this.
I found the article humorous.
I disliked GFWL ever since I was forced to register in order to play games I had already purchased at the store (Bioshock 2). I won't start in on that form of DRM, but it was unpleasant.
And seeing as I complain enough about Steam as it is, I really am not inclined to go after a system that's worse than it.
I disliked GFWL ever since I was forced to register in order to play games I had already purchased at the store (Bioshock 2). I won't start in on that form of DRM, but it was unpleasant.
And seeing as I complain enough about Steam as it is, I really am not inclined to go after a system that's worse than it.
GTA IV and some other pc games I have use windows live. It's crap to the core, I can't log in which I can't save nor load a game. It crushes my pc every 4-5 hours playing one of this games with windows live.
With that, I love Stream and take stream over anything these ass hats can make.
With that, I love Stream and take stream over anything these ass hats can make.
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they included steam and gfwl because at the time dow 2 was launched steam didnt really have that good a match making service for 3rd party so steam was the authentication and gfwl was the match maker but fortinetly steam has gotten better so dow 2 will drop gfwl with the next expansion and go purely with steam, I cant fucken waitVoodoomancer said:
My wife and I both had about the same issues. Less crashes, more install freezing at 5% and never talking to us again. I eventually had to reinstall IE and use it to do the ToS part. And I play on my 360 every day.
I amazed anyone at Microsoft knows how to write a line of code. I have had only a 50% (at best) success rate with GFWL.
When choosing between official Microsoft products and the open source variant, I always go Open.
When choosing between official Microsoft products and the open source variant, I always go Open.
I agree with your arguments. I also think that consoles are a good practice, a good way to just plug and play, but what pisses me off is that despite all of this, PC gaming is left in the dust. There is absolutely no reason why a game can't be multi-platform on the PC, especially since most games are designed on one.Burnhardt said:
With regards to the delayed release, I would be okay with the delayed release over shitty port argument if Ubisoft was a small developer with limited resources. As it stands, they are not. They are a giant in the videogames industry (whom I have a a great amount of affection for) with great capabilities and power. We've been seeing this everywhere. It's absurd. And why the hell won't Rockstar give me my Red Dead Redemption? I want it so bad!
Microsoft has a major brand image problem with GFWL. By its very nature digital distribution is designed to appeal to gaming enthusiasts who play enthusiast games. These people tend to be very tech-savvy and very vocal on Internet forums.
Yet I have NEVER seen GFWL praised. It is inevitably (at best) unfavorably compared to Steam and (at worst) unfavorably compared to AOL circa 1999. Why would anyone even consider using it these days? Which is Microsoft's problem. They've got a severe case of cranium in recto and there's a whole lot of groupthink and Kool-Aid drinking afoot in their boardrooms. They think everything's great. It isn't. And it's going to hurt their bottom line.
Yet I have NEVER seen GFWL praised. It is inevitably (at best) unfavorably compared to Steam and (at worst) unfavorably compared to AOL circa 1999. Why would anyone even consider using it these days? Which is Microsoft's problem. They've got a severe case of cranium in recto and there's a whole lot of groupthink and Kool-Aid drinking afoot in their boardrooms. They think everything's great. It isn't. And it's going to hurt their bottom line.
It wouldn't even let me buy the game. The client just said there was an error every time, and the online store said the deal wasn't available for my region (In Australia).
I don't have a problem with GFWL in principle, the execution has just always been so terrible.
You can only access community features in game, you often only find out about updates after you start a game, and then there was the wonderful insult to PC gamers in the first version where it had 360 controller button icons indicating which buttons to press.
I don't have a problem with GFWL in principle, the execution has just always been so terrible.
You can only access community features in game, you often only find out about updates after you start a game, and then there was the wonderful insult to PC gamers in the first version where it had 360 controller button icons indicating which buttons to press.
GFWL is an abomination and if cracks didn't exist that let me avoid installing it I wouldn't buy any game that required it.