Games that you mentally declare non-canon.

[zelda2fanboy]

Um, the first two Grand Theft Autos? I simply have no interest in playing them, they're fairly different gameplay wise, and they have little to no impact on the story or progression of anything that came after. Supposedly Claude / The Kid is a version of the same character, but he doesn't even talk.

 

[SD-Fiend]

not the games themselves but the official Zelda timeline. why would link just get killed after all of that? and why just there?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Disgrace... TO THE NAME

Whats funny is that 90% of those "plot-holes" aren't plot holes.
-Fallout exists in a different universe, their nukes were different then ours , and the effects of nukes in the D.C. area are easily explained by it isn't our universe.
-A town being built around an atomic bomb is FAR from the most dumb thing to happen in the Fallout series. Seriously the ENTIRE Vault project is more absurd then that.
-And a bunch of people are techno-cultists who worship technology, horde it, and kill anyone who doesn't give it up. the BoS are equally absured as Megaton's sheriff.
-children being immortal inst ap lot-hole, its a game-play mechanic.
-Lack of rain is explainable via climate change, and gameplay mechanics, which aren't plot-holes
-Fallout 1 had food that was edible 200 years later, so that's a plot-hole of even the supposedly "good" Fallout games.

Not to mention that Fallout 3 had 37 voice actors, not the 15 or so listed on that picture.

Seriously the list goes on of how bad of an argument that picture you linked makes.

We all know you LOVE Obsidian, despite ALL of their games being considered inferior sequels to better games, but really, if you gonna try to make an argument against Fallout 3, make ones that works, and isn't a load of easily disprovable BS.

 

[easternflame]

Fallout 3
2 new Operation Flashpoint games by Codemasters

Disgraces to the name.

Fuck you, Fallout 3 was the second best in the Fallout series. Fallout: Tactics and everything beforehand were tedious and clunky. You're a disgrace to YOUR name, whatever that means.

Gotta love how ppl use the word 'clunky' when it just describes something they don't like. LOL. IT"S NOT A FPS, SO IT"S CLUNKY. HERP.

Disgrace... TO THE NAME

To both of you, this is a stupid discussion. We both know tha you aren't going to change each other's opinion on the game. I loved it, you didn't. I don't hate you for it. You don't have to treat each other like garbage because we like different things. He probably thought it's clunky because he was probably not born when it came out, so for him, it's a clunky system. That doesn't mean that he plays COD and COD only (which would be fine), he might play turn based games with fresher interfaces (point in case, the New walking dead by teltale)

Jesus people, have we nothing to learn from Susan Arendt?

 

[SajuukKhar]

To both of you, this is a stupid discussion. We both know tha you aren't going to change each other's opinion on the game. I loved it, you didn't. I don't hate you for it. You don't have to treat each other like garbage because we like different things. He probably thought it's clunky because he was probably not born when it came out, so for him, it's a clunky system. That doesn't mean that he plays COD and COD only (which would be fine), he might play turn based games with fresher interfaces (point in case, the New walking dead by teltale)

Jesus people, have we nothing to learn from Susan Arendt?

Dude don't even try using logic with Anthraxus, he is FAR to busy praying at the church of Obsidian to hear it.

If you don't consider everything Obsidian/Black Isle/Interplay touches "gold given by god himself", and everything any other RPG maker makes as "being terrible to the name of THE PURE RPG" he wont listen.

 

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Gotta love how ppl use the word 'clunky' when it just describes something they don't like. LOL. IT"S NOT A FPS, SO IT"S CLUNKY. HERP.

Disgrace... TO THE NAME

Ugh. Fallout 3 had more than its fair share of problems, and ranting about games you hate can easily make for an entertaining, and even enlightening read. But that picture is the kind of obsessive, bilious hategasm that's unproductive and just plain unpleasant to witness. CALM. THE FUCK. DOWN.

 

[MrGalactus]

I consider both Batman: Arkham games to be non-canon from the comics they kinda follow from, because they can't make sense together. In Arkham Asylum, Batman obviously knows Bane, as he mentions he hasn't seen him in a long time, and Joker calls him an "old friend", and in Arkham City, you find out when you meet Azrael that Batman doesn't know who he, or The Sacred Order of Saint Dumas are, which, in the comics, wouldn't make sense.
After Batman faces off against all of his older villains, he eventually has his showdown with Bane, who breaks Bruce Wayne's spine. The position of Batman is adopted by a partner of his, Jean Paul Valley, formerly known as Azrael.

TL;DR:
The Arkham games are non-canon because the Bane saga (Knightfall - Knightquest - Knightsend) comes after The Sword of Azrael, which would make Bane being known to Batman in the Arkham games but Azrael not being known, not make sense.

DC Universe Online. Why did they pick the SHITTIEST versions of the characters to populate their game with? The flash is some tardwad who ISN'T Wally West. WALLY WEST IS THE ONLY SUPERHERO TO ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE VILLAINS HE FIGHTS.

The Green Lantern was some honky ass, cracka ass, boring ass white man in very homosexual looking domino mask instead of the awesome black guy who was more or less the Sam Jackson of the league in JLU.

Fuck it, I went in thinking it was a game about Justice League Unlimited, which as everyone on planet earth and beyond knows is the greatest incarnation of the DC universe ever made, and they went with the shit versions that nobody cares or knows about. Fuck you Sony Online Entertainment.

Barry Allen is the current Flash, and, while he isn't as good as Wally West, he's pretty great. The "Sam Jackson" Green Lantern from JLU is John Stewart, and his character in JLU was kinda far from the comics. In the comics, he's, I guess, the "quiet" Green Lantern who follows orders and such. The "honky ass, cracka ass, boring ass white man" Green Lantern could have been Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, or Guy Gardener (though he doesn't wear a mask) but I don't know because I haven't played the game. Both of these characters are awesome in their own ways, so I don't know what your issue is. If you're saying that the characters are less interesting just because their white, then, that's just not cool, man.

I have no idea what a "homosexual looking domino mask" is

 

[SajuukKhar]

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/neverwinter-nights
Neverwinter Knights 1
-Metascore: 91
-User Score: 7.9
-Maker: Bioware
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/neverwinter-nights-2
Neverwinter Knights 2
-Metascore: 82
-User Score: 5.7
-Maker: Obsidian
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic
Knights of the Old Republic
-Metascore: 93
-User Score: 8.9
-Maker: Bioware
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-the-sith-lords
Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
-Metascore: 85
-User score:7.9
-Maker: Obsidian
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-3
Fallout 3
-Metascore: 91
-User score: 7.8
-Maker: Bethesda
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-new-vegas
Fallout New vegas
-Metascore: 84
-User Score:8.0
-Maker: Obsidian

Beyond Fallout New Vegas getting a marginally better user score, all of Obsidian's games have been considered inferior sequels to much better games.

If Obsidian is SOOOO great why is it that ALL of their games are considered inferior to... well... just about every other dev out there? Why is it that they cant make a SINGLE game that can get above a 85 average review score? Why is it that they can't make a single game that isn't buggy to the point of making Bethesda's games look stable, and has half-decent optimization?

Your wearing rose-tinted glasses because Obsidian has people who made good games in their past. The simple FACT of the matter is Obsidian is a developer full of people why past their prime, who cant make a stable game to save their lives, who people worship because of a long-past glory.

Obsidian couldn't make a great game to save their lives, their track recorded proves it, and the people who worship Obsidian ALWAYS try to deflect the blame on the publisher with the "they were rushed" excuse, which is BS in it's entirety because MANY game devs are rushed and STILL maker better games then Obsidian does. There is no excuse for Obsidian's TERRIBLE performance beyond their own incompetence.

 

[SajuukKhar]

So you look at bullshit the metacritic scores to judge games. Interesting. Why not just post up some IGN or Gamespot 'professional' reviews while your at it ?

Let me guess, its "bullshit" because it doesn't agree with you OBSIDIAN IS TEH BEST EVAH!!" opinion.

Denial apparently isn't just a river in Egypt.

Also having played all the NWN, KOTOR, and Fallout games + DLC/expansions, I can safely say that the originals, well expect in the Fallout 3/New Vegas comparison, in that case the previous game, were better.

KOTOR 2 was unfinished buggy garbage, NWN 2 was poorly optimized, buggy, and had a terrible plot, and Fallout New Vegas felt like an expansion pack rather then a full game, the fact that full price was charged for any of those games is kinda insulting.

And lets not forget Alpha Protocol, one of the most buggy, unfinished, poorly optimized, "lets rip off Mass Effect but give it a James bond setting", game, that was so bad it was insulting.

 

[SajuukKhar]

WTF is Ellio?

*edit* I looked up Ellio's, its apparently a type of frozen pizza. I wouldn't know if I would eat it since I've never had it before so I can't comment on that

Also what do you consider "real" pizza? Like Pizza hut? or Dominos? or Mr Gattis? Almost all of the stuff that goes into that stuff was frozen as some point also. How is Ellio's not "real" pizza?

Pizza is defined as
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pizza
"a dish made typically of flattened bread dough spread with a savory mixture usually including tomatoes and cheese and often other toppings and baked ?called also pizza pie"

How is Ellio's not "real" pizza? the method of its freezing, or having to put it in the oven has nothing to do with it being "real" pizza or not.

Is this just another case of you inventing another arbitrary definition of what constitutes a "real" something in order to further a false point?

Because it seems like you are ONCE AGAIN, like you do with the term RPG, are making up a definition that goes beyond, and is extremely more narrow, then its ACTUAL definition, in order to further a false, and narrow-minded, point about what is "true" or not.

Until you define what is "real" pizza your point is far to vague, and poorly explained, to be taken seriously.

 

[theultimateend]

So you look at bullshit the metacritic scores to judge games. Interesting. Why not just post up some IGN or Gamespot 'professional' reviews while your at it ?

NWN did have a better toolset and MP, but that is all. In terms of official content, it's a no contest.

I respect your opinion, I will say that personally NWN2 was one of the largest disappointments of my entire gaming life.

Still many scales less than SPORE, but I have never been so intensely disappointed with something before.

Conversely, Fallout New Vegas devoured almost 200 hours of my life. If it didn't run on a crashy engine I think it still would be my game of choice.

Not much else to say...I'm betting somehow NWN2 is objectively better, but I'd much prefer getting hit in the groin than play it :/.

Luckily I just choose neither heh.

pretty much everything beyond the first command and conquer, and red alert XD

. Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 were so delightful . The way they connected the Red Alert Franchise at the end of Red Alert 2 with the CnC universe got me all giggly.

Everything after those was just further digging into the depths of hell. But I'm sad that someone didn't find delight in those 2 titles, the B Movie scenes with the actually fairly entertaining plot was a nice takeaway I thought.

But to each their own .

 

[SajuukKhar]

So you really don't know what real pizza is ? And no, it's not Dominoes or Pizza Hut. LOL. That's dogshit also. Maybe a step up from Ellio's, but still dogshit nonetheless.

EDIT: Come to New York sometime and maybe you'll find out.

So my assumption was correct. You are once again making up an entirely fictional, and exceedingly narrow-minded, definition of something in order to justify a point that isn't supported by the actual definition of that thing. This is why it is hard to take any argument you try to make seriously, because all your arguments rely on making stuff up.

Considering many people have vastly different opinions on what constitutes "real" pizza, I know plenty of people that do consider places like Pizza Hut to be "real" pizza, no I don't know what YOUR definition of "real" pizza is, because I don't know what every single person's view on what "real" pizza is until they state it, I'm not psychic. I can however state that what you seem to be hinting at as being the definition of "real" pizza, is entirely false, though I don't expect you to be able to take any definition that isn't more narrow and linear then modern FPSs as being real.

I want you to try to realize, at least once, that just because something is in the form you prefer doesn't make it any more "real" or "true" then any other form of the same thing. It makes you look exceedingly arrogant and close minded when you try to push that kind of logic on people.

Also, you being in New York answers a lot of questions I had.

 

[A Raging Emo]

STALKER: Clear Sky.

lolnope.jpg

 

[Enizer]

i played deus ex when it was new, then i played deus ex invisible war when that came out, and while invisible war was not nearly as good, i dont understand what the problem is with that game

fallout 3 was a good game, it had some horrible plot holes and pure ******** plot moves, but still overall a good game

fallout new vegas somehow got lower score then fallout 3, probably for not being the first 3d fallout game..
it's a lot closer to canon then fallout 3 though, so in retrospect i'm much happyer with new vegas, it dosnt have much i need to strain to forget like 3 had..

NWN2, i dont think it's non-canon but much more of simply a bad game, i tried to play it sevral times, hoping it would get better, but it just kept boring me out of my mind by being about as fun as a math lecture

F.3.A.R, it just wasnt very good, and the story did in no way help, the horror theme simply does not mix with the rush gameplay intended(as most of the achivements are for such)

C&C4, i heard the plot summary, and i'm going to pretend this game never came out.. just.. WTF?

mass effect 2, i kind of regret paying full price for it, i understand 3 is even worse,

..noone beats EA in running beloved franchises into the ground(i will never forgive EA for bullfrog)

the worst offender though, i think is supreme commander 2, just, i'm not spoiling this, but... the entire point of the story, the reason for everything that happened in the game.. *** ******..
the ending:
what the **** made that plot move seem like a good idea just..
i hope everyone one of the devs was high as a kite, that's seriously the only thing that would make this make sence in some way

 

[Syzygy23]

I consider both Batman: Arkham games to be non-canon from the comics they kinda follow from, because they can't make sense together. In Arkham Asylum, Batman obviously knows Bane, as he mentions he hasn't seen him in a long time, and Joker calls him an "old friend", and in Arkham City, you find out when you meet Azrael that Batman doesn't know who he, or The Sacred Order of Saint Dumas are, which, in the comics, wouldn't make sense.
After Batman faces off against all of his older villains, he eventually has his showdown with Bane, who breaks Bruce Wayne's spine. The position of Batman is adopted by a partner of his, Jean Paul Valley, formerly known as Azrael.

TL;DR:
The Arkham games are non-canon because the Bane saga (Knightfall - Knightquest - Knightsend) comes after The Sword of Azrael, which would make Bane being known to Batman in the Arkham games but Azrael not being known, not make sense.

DC Universe Online. Why did they pick the SHITTIEST versions of the characters to populate their game with? The flash is some tardwad who ISN'T Wally West. WALLY WEST IS THE ONLY SUPERHERO TO ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE VILLAINS HE FIGHTS.

The Green Lantern was some honky ass, cracka ass, boring ass white man in very homosexual looking domino mask instead of the awesome black guy who was more or less the Sam Jackson of the league in JLU.

Fuck it, I went in thinking it was a game about Justice League Unlimited, which as everyone on planet earth and beyond knows is the greatest incarnation of the DC universe ever made, and they went with the shit versions that nobody cares or knows about. Fuck you Sony Online Entertainment.

Barry Allen is the current Flash, and, while he isn't as good as Wally West, he's pretty great. The "Sam Jackson" Green Lantern from JLU is John Stewart, and his character in JLU was kinda far from the comics. In the comics, he's, I guess, the "quiet" Green Lantern who follows orders and such. The "honky ass, cracka ass, boring ass white man" Green Lantern could have been Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, or Guy Gardener (though he doesn't wear a mask) but I don't know because I haven't played the game. Both of these characters are awesome in their own ways, so I don't know what your issue is. If you're saying that the characters are less interesting just because their white, then, that's just not cool, man.

I have no idea what a "homosexual looking domino mask" is

It's a domino mask that makes him look like partakes in Pork Sword Jousting tournaments. C'mon, just LOOK at it. Black Guy Green Lantern doesn't need a mask. Why? HE WAS TOO BUSY PORKING HIS WAY ACROSS THE MILKY WAY.

And the other GL's aren't less interesting BECAUSE they are white, but it doesn't help. How many white heroes do we have? The more there is of certain traits, the less interesting they become. I think Ayn Rand wrote a book along those same lines. Was it Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead? I can't remember anymore. Either way, JLU version is the only true version as far as I'm concerned.

Barry Schmallen can go toss himself in the GARBAGE, where he BELONGS. Wally West immediately and irreversibly obsoletes every Flash ever made.

C'mon, he's the ONLY ONE to have actually talked members of his rogues gallery down, helped them admit they have serious issues, and then visits them when they're institutionalized like a friend rather than simply beating their faces into a suspiciously empty skyscraper and calling it a day.

Captcha: I have fallen.

See? Even the machines agree with me. Their logic circuits cannot argue against JLUniverse being the best universe, DC-wise!

 

[Vivi22]

If Obsidian is SOOOO great why is it that ALL of their games are considered inferior to... well... just about every other dev out there?

That's a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? If anything, the fact that they review so well despite having more technical issues than most companies says something about how good the underlying games are. Mind you, I've only played New Vegas out of the Obsidian games you listed so I can't speak to how good their other titles were. And since I bought New Vegas a month or two back the technical issues were almost non-existant. Better than my experience playing any Bethesda game actually.

Why is it that they cant make a SINGLE game that can get above a 85 average review score? Why is it that they can't make a single game that isn't buggy to the point of making Bethesda's games look stable, and has half-decent optimization?

I'd hazard a guess that it has to do with the fact that every time they make a game for another company they seem to get saddled with impossibly tight deadlines, and in the case of a game like New Vegas, the engine with the shittiest quality I've ever seen. I'd be inclined to cut them a little slack on New Vegas if only because even Bethesda couldn't release games that were free from game breaking bugs at launch with that engine and they were the ones spending the most time working with and updating it.

Technical discussion aside though, what I played in New Vegas was head and shoulders above Fallout 3 in terms of writing and world building, and there were some interesting gameplay mechanics and modes added which built upon an already fairly solid gameplay structure, not to mention vastly more quests to find and complete and real consequences to some of your choices. I can't wait to play through New Vegas more times so I can experience that world again, whereas the two times I've tried replaying Fallout 3 have left me quitting less than 10 hours in out of boredom. I was honestly surprised by how good New Vegas was as I hadn't played an Obsidian game before and was pretty disillusioned with Fallout 3. If they had had more time to polish it before release I think it would have been received as a vast improvement on Bethesda's efforts.