Senaro said:
No, but selling a buggy game and claiming it works perfectly is.
something obsidian should be charged with.
fallout new vegas as ok a game as it was has such a metric ton of bugs its hard to believe it left beta.
Gaming Advocacy Group Reports Black Ops to UK Government
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No, but selling a buggy game and claiming it works perfectly is.
something obsidian should be charged with.
fallout new vegas as ok a game as it was has such a metric ton of bugs its hard to believe it left beta.
I play every game as a QA tester, occupational hazard. I do not miss bugs, many people will happily play a game without even noticing them, I don't; my profession is relevant.strangeotron said:
As far as anecdotal goes, there are very few different PS3 builds, if I'm not experiencing the bugs neither did the team who QA'd it and the people complaining are just whiny little bitches.
I agree that the industry needs to be held to a higher standard, a couple of good examples of atrociously QA'd games are Empire Total War and Fallout NV (though FO:NV was very enjoyable despite the bugs), I can only assume that Black ops has been targeted because people love to jump on the CoD hate-wagon.
True, but it was still a blast, and they fixed it very shortly after releasing it. I'd like all of my games to be bug-free, if that were possible, but it's still funny hearing about people trying to punish them by law for it. This is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing happening.phoenix352 said:
Might not be applicable, I can't be sure; some video games are edited to work in certain regions, just like european machines would break or not work on american electric power, but also there is some regional censorship or option removal (some do not release with all languages while some editions are). So there's probably versions in UK that are broken and not some other place of the same product.
Hope it sets the precident that games makers will be held liable if the games does not work properly. I am not talking about whether a game is good or bad. That will still have to be a risk taken by the buyer. But whether a game is good or bad, it should work. I.E load and stay loaded.
When talking about movies you cannot report a movie for being rubbish, but you can if it does not play properly due to some defect in the manufactoring proccess or how the menus, etc are coded. Why can we not have the same expectation for games.
The only by product of this might be even less games on the PC though as it will be too risky a platform to have a 100% working games on all hardware combinations.
When talking about movies you cannot report a movie for being rubbish, but you can if it does not play properly due to some defect in the manufactoring proccess or how the menus, etc are coded. Why can we not have the same expectation for games.
The only by product of this might be even less games on the PC though as it will be too risky a platform to have a 100% working games on all hardware combinations.
I encountered 3 game breaking bugs in the campaign and that was on the 360 version.
I got very unlucky though, haven't heard it happen to many others.
I got very unlucky though, haven't heard it happen to many others.
I hope this goes somewhere cause I wasted £35 on the PC version of Black Ops. The game flat out refused to run properly on two different PCs, both of which are perfectly capable of running a game that technically demanding; other games in the series have worked without a hitch. If you sell something that doesn't properly run on the system it's designed for, there's no reason why you shouldn't be reported to the OFT.
Jesus fuck would people stop complaining about New Vegas, it's hard for a game to work bug free when it's been built on a shitty engine. I will agree that there are bugs that could have been fixed in beta but there's just some stuff that will never work right. Now if it continues with Bethesda's new engine when Skyrim comes out all bets are off.
The only problems I've had in Blops is lag that only happens on Launch and during the occasional Napalm Strike.
The only problems I've had in Blops is lag that only happens on Launch and during the occasional Napalm Strike.
This is something I've always wondered about with the games industry, because it doesn't seem to work the same as any other industry. If I bought a book that had one page where the ink had run and was completely illegible, I would be fully in my rights to have a refund and replacement, if I got a DVD that due to an error didn't have the end of the movie (happened when I bought Predator, I'm not just hypothetical) then I take it back and get a refund for a faulty product. If I buy aguitar I expect it to work as advertised.
In fact, if I buy any piece of technology, especially at full price, I expect to be fully compensated if it doesn't work as advertised. But games get away with having multiple bugs and glitches, most of which are never fixed, and yet I never get a refund, or a replacement, or even an apology about how crap the quality of the game is.
Game developers provide a service, which is developing a fully functioning game, I pay them the full amount of money they demand for that game, and I expect it to work as a fully functioning game. It should be a contract in the way that all purchases are, but for some reason videogames don't seem to be held to the same standards.
On an unrelated note, this Captcha thing is starting to really piss me off.
In fact, if I buy any piece of technology, especially at full price, I expect to be fully compensated if it doesn't work as advertised. But games get away with having multiple bugs and glitches, most of which are never fixed, and yet I never get a refund, or a replacement, or even an apology about how crap the quality of the game is.
Game developers provide a service, which is developing a fully functioning game, I pay them the full amount of money they demand for that game, and I expect it to work as a fully functioning game. It should be a contract in the way that all purchases are, but for some reason videogames don't seem to be held to the same standards.
On an unrelated note, this Captcha thing is starting to really piss me off.
Although I'm doubtful, I really hope something comes of this. In the meantime, does anyone know of a comparison website that lists the best console to play multi-platform games on?
I never want a repeat of PS3 Bayonetta again.
I never want a repeat of PS3 Bayonetta again.
"None of these issues seemed to apply to the Xbox 360 version"
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Where the hell did they do their testing, and on what version of the 360? I stopped playing Black Ops about 2 weeks into the release, mine was filled with that many problems. All of the problems mentioned in the article have happened in mine (running on a 2009 built Elite with good connection) Hell, it even crashes if I try to play training, or off-line multiplayer against bots. I had the exact same problems that two of my PS3 playing mates had.
Little PS3 & PC rant over, good for the group. I hope something good happens from this, like Activision not rushing a new CoD out every year just for sales. I wouldn't mind waiting 2 years between CoDs, if it meant we were sold working games.
[sub]oh, and a good plot line would be nice too, like CoD4's plot...[/sub]
And I mean this for all developers - if legal action (or just the thought of legal action) makes developers worry and make good games, surely this is a good move?
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Where the hell did they do their testing, and on what version of the 360? I stopped playing Black Ops about 2 weeks into the release, mine was filled with that many problems. All of the problems mentioned in the article have happened in mine (running on a 2009 built Elite with good connection) Hell, it even crashes if I try to play training, or off-line multiplayer against bots. I had the exact same problems that two of my PS3 playing mates had.
Little PS3 & PC rant over, good for the group. I hope something good happens from this, like Activision not rushing a new CoD out every year just for sales. I wouldn't mind waiting 2 years between CoDs, if it meant we were sold working games.
[sub]oh, and a good plot line would be nice too, like CoD4's plot...[/sub]
And I mean this for all developers - if legal action (or just the thought of legal action) makes developers worry and make good games, surely this is a good move?
So, where's the line, then? Mass Effect 2 crashed on me a few times, so should BioWare give me a refund? Dragon Age: Origins: Awakening is a bugfest, send them up the river.
It sounds like it could be a slippery slope - there are bugs and glitches to be found years after the game isn't supported anymore.
It sounds like it could be a slippery slope - there are bugs and glitches to be found years after the game isn't supported anymore.
As far as the PS3 versions goes, I experience nothing but problems when trying to stay in a party with my friends. This game has frozen my PS3 more times than every other game I own combined. It shouldn't take 45 minutes to get everyone into 1 room just to play 1 round, then have to do it all again.
Not to mention all the times the crashes with transmission errors have taken away all of my CoD points. Sure, they're just useless in-game currency, but I can't get them back. I spend time getting those points, and I can't get time back.
Not to mention all the times the crashes with transmission errors have taken away all of my CoD points. Sure, they're just useless in-game currency, but I can't get them back. I spend time getting those points, and I can't get time back.
this is like buying a tv and finding out the tv will freeze for 2 seconds every 15 seconds.. if that would happen to your tv you could return it, now the problem with a game is you can not do that.Kalezian said:
most people don't understand how bad it really is for alot of people. i've played a shit ton of games and all of them have bugs and glitches, but none have it this bad.