Gaming Advocacy Group Reports Black Ops to UK Government

[Treblaine]

I'm worried Activision may just take a Cliff Blezinksky attitude of: "Fuck all the other platforms, I'll just focus 100% on Xbox 360"

Activision have already tacitly threatened that they could simply turn off PS3's multiplayer.

This is a dangerous game we are playing, Modern Warfare 3 is already under enough pressure, they may just be crazy and desperate enough to make it a 360 exclusive!

 

[Unesh52]

So, where's the line, then? Mass Effect 2 crashed on me a few times, so should BioWare give me a refund? Dragon Age: Origins: Awakening is a bugfest, send them up the river.

It sounds like it could be a slippery slope - there are bugs and glitches to be found years after the game isn't supported anymore.

I really have to stop posting on top of myself, but one more thing. I agree that it could be a slippery slope. (However, while I'm at it, I'd like to point out that "slippery slope" is a name for a logical fallacy, and people really shouldn't use it to describe their argument if they want to be taken seriously. It's like going, "If you can't be convinced by this blatant ad hominem, you're just blind.") If this situation is explicitly differentiated from other instances of buggy games, it could lead to waves of self-interested, bandwagon class action suits against developers and companies that don't really deserve it. They're not trying to pull one over on you, after all. This could be seriously bad for us, as developers might opt to stay with old technologies they're more familiar with to avoid the risk of unexpected bugs, rather than experimenting with new tech and broadening the industry.

In my opinion, if a bug keeps you from playing the game at all more than 50% of the time, it's buggy enough to be considered fraudulent.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

snip.

Unfortunately there are rules that govern the sale of "software" that differentiate it from sales of other goods. Video games fall under the category of software. These rules [VERY] basically say that the consumer has no right to refuse and ask for a refund if the software performs as advertised.

Now this is an odd stance to explain. If the product is not 'faulty' ie it works as sold and the code intended has designed it to run then it cannot be exchanged. If for instance an entire portion didn't load then it would be faulty.

What this group is effectively trying to do is blur the boundaries by saying that even the code isn't 'broken' it still doesn't provide the intended experience. This becomes a subjective argument and therefore very difficult to hold up in litigation.

For one I hope they can though, this along with New Vegas have been blights on the industry recently

Did not know that. Thank you for expanding my knowledge.

I guess it could become a slippery slope. Even with extensive testing and less complex code old-school games still had faults and bugs, even if they were hard to find. If every game had to be completely perfect before release then nothing would ever be released.

I suppose the only compromise is to offer it at a cheaper price and then sell the patches and stuff through things like XBLA, but then that could end up running even higher than the cost of the game.

Interesting, and I can't think of a decent solution.

 

[DaHero]

By that line of logic, I could appeal for every FPS game in the current market to take a hike, because I've never found any of them entertaining...

Then after that I'll get a patent on a device that allows people to intake oxygen to prolong a persons life span, wait 10 years, and sue everyone that's been breathing.

I'm worried Activision may just take a Cliff Blezinksky attitude of: "Fuck all the other platforms, I'll just focus 100% on Xbox 360"

Activision have already tacitly threatened that they could simply turn off PS3's multiplayer.

This is a dangerous game we are playing, Modern Warfare 3 is already under enough pressure, they may just be crazy and desperate enough to make it a 360 exclusive!

Then all my friends would stop hounding me about getting a CoD game, so I'm actually for that idea.

 

[Zarmi]

Oh this is great! Here's to hoping. Activision needs a kick to the face anyway.

 

[Treblaine]

Buggy games are not a risk of PC gaming...... They shouldn't be a risk of ANY GAMING.

I'm getting tired of the model of releasing 5 patches the month after release. Why is it that people that pay MORE for a game when it comes out get a less enjoyable experience (in most cases)?

In an ideal world, you're right, no game should glitch. But it's just impossible to be %100 sure you've tested everything. And don't forget that testing costs money and loads of man-hours. At a certain point, it's just economically counter-productive to continue testing your games. And this is a much bigger problem on PC, because every gamer has his own particular system, any component of which might interact with the game in an unexpected way. That's why they have to patch at launch. I mean, they have a responsibility to make sure it works most of the time on most systems, but launch instability is just part of the process. Again, c'est la vie (I just learned that expression, and I rather like it).

thing is PCs may vary a lot but they all follow the same basic architecture rules, x86 family and so on, code written for one CPU should function identically on another CPU, but maybe slightly faster or slower on one or the other.

The difference between PS3 and 360 are many many times larger than between any two modern PCs.

I've been playing Black Ops on PC and seems well enough fixed now, but apparently PS3 version is still an unbridled mess. I mean Black Ops has a very short campaign, the $60 price tag is only worth it wit the multiplayer as well.

 

[Treblaine]

I'm worried Activision may just take a Cliff Blezinksky attitude of: "Fuck all the other platforms, I'll just focus 100% on Xbox 360"

Activision have already tacitly threatened that they could simply turn off PS3's multiplayer.

This is a dangerous game we are playing, Modern Warfare 3 is already under enough pressure, they may just be crazy and desperate enough to make it a 360 exclusive!

Then all my friends would stop hounding me about getting a CoD game, so I'm actually for that idea.

Then they'll just be hounding you to get an Xbox 360 to play it.

I saw the same with Halo back in pre Console-CoD days.

 

[gigastar]

Ok from what i read on this thread so far its varies from person to person. I dont own BlOps because i hate Activision for other reasons.

Earlier today i overheard some schoolmates talking about a glitch that allowed you to keep a gun from some helicopter in multiplayer, and thier boasting of 70+ killstreaks with it.

 

[RaikuFA]

Jesus fuck would people stop complaining about New Vegas, it's hard for a game to work bug free when it's been built on a shitty engine. I will agree that there are bugs that could have been fixed in beta but there's just some stuff that will never work right. Now if it continues with Bethesda's new engine when Skyrim comes out all bets are off.

The only problems I've had in Blops is lag that only happens on Launch and during the occasional Napalm Strike.

this bugs me, if people keep blaming the engine and the engine is a bit old, wouldnt the engine be fixed by now? nowadays though the only people i see blaming the engine are the people who havent gotton the bigger bugs in the game. i ask if their character goes through the floor randomly or a door locks on them making it impossible for the player to continue. they say no they only experienced lagging and then blame the engine. ive gotton all 3 plus freezing, characters running around gun ready as if a enemys nearby and refusing to talk. i blame the lack of testing and microsoft throwing money arounds(also a bit upset about no DLC for ps3 and pc when they said that it would be available at the same time for all 3 platforms)

heres hoping they go for bethesda next

 

[DaHero]

Sonic SNIP!

I doubt it, they know I'm not buying another console, they already know I'd rather be drawn and quartered than play another CoD or Battlefield or...well another FPS in general.

 

[Easton Dark]

Buggy games are not a risk of PC gaming...... They shouldn't be a risk of ANY GAMING.

I'm getting tired of the model of releasing 5 patches the month after release. Why is it that people that pay MORE for a game when it comes out get a less enjoyable experience (in most cases)?

In an ideal world, you're right, no game should glitch. But it's just impossible to be %100 sure you've tested everything. And don't forget that testing costs money and loads of man-hours. At a certain point, it's just economically counter-productive to continue testing your games. And this is a much bigger problem on PC, because every gamer has his own particular system, any component of which might interact with the game in an unexpected way. That's why they have to patch at launch. I mean, they have a responsibility to make sure it works most of the time on most systems, but launch instability is just part of the process. Again, c'est la vie (I just learned that expression, and I rather like it).

You're right, you can't test everything 100%. But glaringly obvious ones please? Fallout New Vegas please? Massive, sometimes game breaking bugs across the board. No way no one caught that. And it's weird because apparently the PC version is the safest from bugs.

I wish all games had public betas is all I'm saying.

 

[Exort]

Well now that would be something! A game actually needs to be finished before release? Wow. Who would have thought that would be a good idea?

next thing:
Bethesda go bankrupt.

 

[Exort]

Jesus fuck would people stop complaining about New Vegas, it's hard for a game to work bug free when it's been built on a shitty engine. I will agree that there are bugs that could have been fixed in beta but there's just some stuff that will never work right. Now if it continues with Bethesda's new engine when Skyrim comes out all bets are off.

The only problems I've had in Blops is lag that only happens on Launch and during the occasional Napalm Strike.

Yes, it must be our fault they used a shitty engine. In the end of the day, why do you think they use a shitty engine. TO SAVE MONEY. You see System programer gets payed a lot more then normal Software programer. Then the same bug in fallout 3 (that is already patched) is in Fallout: New Vegas. They aren't even trying, they are just try to get by with buggy releases.

 

[BabyRaptor]

just get it on the 360 and stop complaining. jeez. its not that hard.

Fanboy much?

You might have all the expendable income in the world, but very few other people do. We shouldn't be expected to go out and buy a whole new console just to play one game when they've released versions of the game for the other platforms.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

just get it on the 360 and stop complaining. jeez. its not that hard.

Fanboy much?

You might have all the expendable income in the world, but very few other people do. We shouldn't be expected to go out and buy a whole new console just to play one game when they've released versions of the game for the other platforms.

i guess you should have expected the other versions would not be as supported when you saw that the marketing push was for the game to be sold on the 360. if you look on the box it even says "the best selling game on the xbox 360" (if you look on the 360 box.)

i didnt buy the game at all, but even i knew this was gonna happen.

 

[milkkart]

should I say it?

yes, I should.


YOU bought a game.

If the game is not up to expectations of what YOU think it is, by all means sell it.


this is like someone buying a shit sandwich and complaining that their shit has corn in it.


edit: I mean really, if a game isnt good then get rid of it and voice why you got rid of it, example, Halo Reach because it was just Halo 3 with jetpacks.

so if i buy a tv and it keeps switching itself off, freezing when i change channels and being unable to display the signal its my fault for buying a tv and i should just sell it? i hope you're just trolling and im not actually ripping on a retarded kid.

 

[Geekosaurus]

I predict that nothing will come of it. At all.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

Wait, so the Wii version is bug-free? MIGRATION, GO GO GO!

well then too bad. you knew the risks of getting into PC gaming, just have to go with it until Activision or the community fixes it then. sorry :/ *shrugs*

Buggy games are not a risk of PC gaming...... They shouldn't be a risk of ANY GAMING.

I'm getting tired of the model of releasing 5 patches the month after release. Why is it that people that pay MORE for a game when it comes out get a less enjoyable experience (in most cases)?

how many people complain about buggy/broken/not very well ported PC games? think about that for a moment...
now how many people complain about buggy/broken/not very well ported console games?

see the difference? thank you.

 

[Easton Dark]

Wait, so the Wii version is bug-free? MIGRATION, GO GO GO!

well then too bad. you knew the risks of getting into PC gaming, just have to go with it until Activision or the community fixes it then. sorry :/ *shrugs*

Buggy games are not a risk of PC gaming...... They shouldn't be a risk of ANY GAMING.

I'm getting tired of the model of releasing 5 patches the month after release. Why is it that people that pay MORE for a game when it comes out get a less enjoyable experience (in most cases)?

how many people complain about buggy/broken/not very well ported PC games? think about that for a moment...
now how many people complain about buggy/broken/not very well ported console games?

see the difference? thank you.

I'll need some numbahs before baseless claims get me to change my mind.

Thank you. (that's being smug, stop doing that)