I thought the majority of what WhitelionArokh said was clever and insightful - up until the point where he said he believed sex was a thing that belongs only in marriage, and that sex is the second "objective" in relationships. At that point I facepalmed myself into a hedache. Thanks.
"Gaymers" Speak Out On Homophobia
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Kyprioth657 post=7.72320.758806 said:
Case in point.STEAM ONLINE CONDUCT RULES said:
I believe the term, is Owned.
I don't see why people get worked up over abuse they cop over the internet. When someone insults me in a game or whatever, I just look at the screen and laugh my ass off at them. Because I know that in the vast majority of cases they're probably just sad, pathetic individuals. Whatever happens on the internet just bounces right off me. I can just turn it off and walk away, and forget it instantly. It's all pointless posturing, and a damn waste of time.
Abuse in person is a totally different thing though, that usually devolves into mucho grande nastiness. But abuse on the internet? It's slightly lower on my list of annoyances than an itch.
WhiteLion is right. There's a time and place to reveal your sexuality. If you want to reveal it to random people, go ahead and do it, just be prepared to face the consequences. It's much the same with any minority really. You wanna reveal you're an emo/goth/gay/furry/whatever, you have to realise that the people you reveal it to might not like it. You might get insulted or threatened. But as I said before: it isn't important. Not really. Just walk away, and never look back. Life's too short to worry about bigots.
And sorry if that didn't make much sense, it's really late/early.
Abuse in person is a totally different thing though, that usually devolves into mucho grande nastiness. But abuse on the internet? It's slightly lower on my list of annoyances than an itch.
WhiteLion is right. There's a time and place to reveal your sexuality. If you want to reveal it to random people, go ahead and do it, just be prepared to face the consequences. It's much the same with any minority really. You wanna reveal you're an emo/goth/gay/furry/whatever, you have to realise that the people you reveal it to might not like it. You might get insulted or threatened. But as I said before: it isn't important. Not really. Just walk away, and never look back. Life's too short to worry about bigots.
And sorry if that didn't make much sense, it's really late/early.
I think if you're gay and are getting abuse, just headshot them until they ragequit 
As for bringing up your sexuality in a game, I've never once heard 'tra-laa - I love cock, everybody' over a mic in game,however if someone calls you fag, they dont know who you are, so let it pass, its idiocy, its not aimed at you for being gay, its aimed at you because you headshot them and they're mad that you're better than them. If you don't go 'oh I'm gay and I'm all offended' you won't get the flood of idiotic hate.
Yes, they're wrong, and we should all tell the dummies to shut the hell up, but don't directly say it if its not needed.
I tend not to mention that I'm a bit overweight, because all the insults will change from 'you stupid fuck' to 'you fat fuck', the idiots are just trying to find some way to get under your skin and upset you (over a damn game, I mean, get a life if winning means that much that you'll be like this to earn a point). (note - I am not saying being gay is similar to being fat, and I'm not saying its a bad thing, and its tiresome that I feel I even have to say this)
As for bringing up your sexuality in a game, I've never once heard 'tra-laa - I love cock, everybody' over a mic in game,however if someone calls you fag, they dont know who you are, so let it pass, its idiocy, its not aimed at you for being gay, its aimed at you because you headshot them and they're mad that you're better than them. If you don't go 'oh I'm gay and I'm all offended' you won't get the flood of idiotic hate.
Yes, they're wrong, and we should all tell the dummies to shut the hell up, but don't directly say it if its not needed.
I tend not to mention that I'm a bit overweight, because all the insults will change from 'you stupid fuck' to 'you fat fuck', the idiots are just trying to find some way to get under your skin and upset you (over a damn game, I mean, get a life if winning means that much that you'll be like this to earn a point). (note - I am not saying being gay is similar to being fat, and I'm not saying its a bad thing, and its tiresome that I feel I even have to say this)
I've only received one prejudiced act upon myself, not for being homo sexual but for having my clan tag as "Emoo" on COD 4. I didn't have it up for long since I got instantly abused repeatedly from a couple of blokes over xbox live on how I cut myself (I don't) and how they've fornicated members of my family.
This is unrelated from homphobia except that it's probably in your best interests to not announce how you're unalike you are to them since people don't like others that aren't the same as themselves and there's a time and a place for announcing just that. You'll most likely never meet the people you play against or at least not knowingly so they don't really need to know facts about yourself and your interests.
-Ricky
This is unrelated from homphobia except that it's probably in your best interests to not announce how you're unalike you are to them since people don't like others that aren't the same as themselves and there's a time and a place for announcing just that. You'll most likely never meet the people you play against or at least not knowingly so they don't really need to know facts about yourself and your interests.
-Ricky
Whilst the sentiment is admirable - life is too short for bigots - you are wrong.Parattchi post=7.72320.759438 said:
Completely and utterly wrong.
One's sexuality is a part of oneself. And frankly, if you're idiotic enough to think that one should not reveal one's sexuality just because someone might not like it then I strongly suggest buying a sink plunger to REMOVE YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR RECTUM, you sanctimonious git.
We went through a phase when lots of people revealed their sexuality to the disgust of right-wingers and the God squad. Because of that phase, the courage of those men and women to stand up and be counted, homosexuality, bisexuality and transgenderism are no longer illegal - although this fact would go unknown if one went on any Xbox forum I know.
Look here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality].darkstone post=7.72320.757898 said:
It's one of those terms people aren't familiar with. Much like 'Pansexuality' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality], a term which I would use to describe myself if a greater number of the general populace where aware of its meaning (of course that's not to say it should/would regularily come up in normal conversation were this to be the case). In fact every time I have volunteered such a statement it has been met with the question: "so you have a thing for pans?"; thus I usually just claim Bisexuality to avoid confusion.
Unfortunately I don't have anything particularly helpful/insightful to add to this discussion since quite a few have already voiced, rather well I might add, the opinions I hold on this subject.
Anyways I will leave you with this:
Feel free to construe such a statement as you wish.
WhitelionArokh really hit the proverbial nail right on the head.
If the situation 'demands' it, I either put it subtly or downright lie about it. I know I shouldn't be *ashamed* about it, but considering the reactions it provokes from some people it's better to simply ignore them or not give them the answer they're looking for.
If the situation 'demands' it, I either put it subtly or downright lie about it. I know I shouldn't be *ashamed* about it, but considering the reactions it provokes from some people it's better to simply ignore them or not give them the answer they're looking for.
Funnily enough, on World of Warcraft a guy came up on chat asking: "Is there anywhere I can find a gay guild?" I immediately expected to see backlash and a racour of anti-homophobic commentary.
No-one answered, not one bad-mouthed comment came out. He asked a few more times: still no backlash, the worst comments he got were "I don't think so on this server dude, lol".
Really, I was suprised, and it made me think on how I sterotyped my fellow players.
No-one answered, not one bad-mouthed comment came out. He asked a few more times: still no backlash, the worst comments he got were "I don't think so on this server dude, lol".
Really, I was suprised, and it made me think on how I sterotyped my fellow players.
colourcodedchaos post=7.72320.755904 said:
Fuckin-A Chaos.
People who beat up guys for liking guys... Should get the shit knocked out of them but pandas with cricket bats and DVD racks...
Sorry imaginaion running wild, as I thought of the revenge I got on someone who gave me a black eye for kissing my lover on a plane. Moron got arested.
I cannot agree with you WhitelionArokh because you aren?t getting the discrepancy between mouthing off to others without expecting reprimanding and what we are talking about. You should go back and carefully read all the posts as well as watching the video but since you were sleep deprived when posting I?ll assume you have had a chance to go back and reflect on what was said. Nobody here has said they go anywhere declaring they?re gay and yet everyone gets hammered on endlessly anyways, just in generalization of insults towards everyone and further insulting the nature of being gay. Why is this behavior we have to put up with? Even you yourself said you have let it be known that you were gay yourself so I?m not sure what your point was since it seemed aimed towards not letting people online know your sexual orientation. This scenario of ?Gays who announce they are homo at the beginning of a game or soon after, I think are complete retards? that you mentioned; how often is that really happening? Is it happening in proportion to the amount of anti-gay generic filth being spewed over the internet that makes such a disruptive gaming environment?
I am friends with many homophobes who know I am gay. I respect they made a decision to be against it and think it's wrong, it may be how they were raised, personal experience, but I know if I want my opinion to matter with them, theirs must matter to me. I would not bother them about homosexuality after that, I would not go to them and argue with them on why being gay is all right. Reading that is just confusing, why would you want to be friends with people who would hate you for being you? Not saying you have to disregard what matters to others but if they can still look you in the eye and tell you that you being gay is wrong but call you friend, it just doesn?t seem like the best use of that word or that they don't have your best interests in mind. But this is why there are websites like gaymer in the first place, so you can talk to those of similar interests. It?s the only reason I?m posting in this thread in the first place.
If someone is steadfast in opposing gays and show no signs of waning at all, then why spend energy on a pointless endeavor. This thread wasn?t started by those opposing gays nor is what is being discussed. It was a gaymer issue, with the interest of discussing such an issue right in the title, they came to us: they came to this thread and started complaining tangentially about fake scenarios without really offering any sustainence to their argument beyond the point that people don?t want to talk about it.
Also, how many gay pride parades have you been to? The ones that you only watch on the news don?t count. I been to lots, it isn?t ever about sex, not even remotely. And 3/4ths of the people are normally dressed discussing our existence and interests during the event. What gets put on the TV is just sensationalism, attention-getting crap because the boring normal people aren?t rating catchers. There are absolutely no gay sex advertisements going on there that I?ve seen unless they?ve been hiding it from me with those Sex-Crazed Homos you mentioned. Saying that be careful, be considerate of heterosexuals and hopefully they will be the same towards you is all well and good but that?s not how it plays out on the gaming world or the real world.
Here is the root of the problem we are talking about. We live in a ?don?t ask, don?t tell? world that most seem to want but it?s a world where there is no punishment for asking but there?s a punishment for telling. Where people receive that punishment even when they aren?t telling. When one group gets special treatment of getting to tell and doesn?t get a punishment. And they are getting that special treatment just because their group is bigger than the others. How is that fair and why do we have to put up with that? And sorry, copping out to that question by saying the world isn't fair isn't reason enough for me to have to put up with it.
I am friends with many homophobes who know I am gay. I respect they made a decision to be against it and think it's wrong, it may be how they were raised, personal experience, but I know if I want my opinion to matter with them, theirs must matter to me. I would not bother them about homosexuality after that, I would not go to them and argue with them on why being gay is all right. Reading that is just confusing, why would you want to be friends with people who would hate you for being you? Not saying you have to disregard what matters to others but if they can still look you in the eye and tell you that you being gay is wrong but call you friend, it just doesn?t seem like the best use of that word or that they don't have your best interests in mind. But this is why there are websites like gaymer in the first place, so you can talk to those of similar interests. It?s the only reason I?m posting in this thread in the first place.
If someone is steadfast in opposing gays and show no signs of waning at all, then why spend energy on a pointless endeavor. This thread wasn?t started by those opposing gays nor is what is being discussed. It was a gaymer issue, with the interest of discussing such an issue right in the title, they came to us: they came to this thread and started complaining tangentially about fake scenarios without really offering any sustainence to their argument beyond the point that people don?t want to talk about it.
Also, how many gay pride parades have you been to? The ones that you only watch on the news don?t count. I been to lots, it isn?t ever about sex, not even remotely. And 3/4ths of the people are normally dressed discussing our existence and interests during the event. What gets put on the TV is just sensationalism, attention-getting crap because the boring normal people aren?t rating catchers. There are absolutely no gay sex advertisements going on there that I?ve seen unless they?ve been hiding it from me with those Sex-Crazed Homos you mentioned. Saying that be careful, be considerate of heterosexuals and hopefully they will be the same towards you is all well and good but that?s not how it plays out on the gaming world or the real world.
Here is the root of the problem we are talking about. We live in a ?don?t ask, don?t tell? world that most seem to want but it?s a world where there is no punishment for asking but there?s a punishment for telling. Where people receive that punishment even when they aren?t telling. When one group gets special treatment of getting to tell and doesn?t get a punishment. And they are getting that special treatment just because their group is bigger than the others. How is that fair and why do we have to put up with that? And sorry, copping out to that question by saying the world isn't fair isn't reason enough for me to have to put up with it.
Two, one of which I helped organise.
Wrong, wrong, right but irrelevant, you're missing the free condoms/lube and latex squares then? as well as the STD awareness ads?
And that's why you get the backlash.
"IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME! IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME!"
Big whoop. It's not fair for any of us.
You will get called gay insults and then feel insulted. The latter is because of your sexuality, not the former.
We all get called gay at times; and a lot of the LGB deal with in the same way as the breeders do. Don't get upset over morons.
So I guess you think the sex eds classes are the same as playing pornos in school? Teaching people mannerisms to protect themselves and how to be aware and safe aren't the same as discussing how to perform double penetration and don't pretend it is.The_root_of_all_evil post=7.72320.760146 said:
Also, way to go, taking a whole page of someone's post, nitpick one thing and act like it negates their entire argument. Real accomplishment.
Edit: The last gay pride I was at was in 2008 Nashville where we had over 1200 and maybe 100 people were dressed up in some way for attention getting and those were for special floats, the rest marched in t-shirts and shorts considering it was the middle of summer, now if you need help in math I am quite skilled but if you think 100 to 1200 is more than 1 quarter of the whole amount then I will be happy to tutor you until you get past that gross calculation deficiency. Also there was over 50 booths and only 1 had free condoms or lube, and 2 had safe-sex pamphlets. The rest were banks, politicans, and such.
I think the problem really is a lack of restraint, understanding, good manners and general intelligence in some people.
I mean sure, to most straight guys, myself included, doing sexual or physical stuff with another guy is a pretty repellent and unnatural idea. The problem is that a portion of the group who quite understandably think that don't seem to grasp the fact that another person may feel perfectly normal about it, and is free to do so.
What I'm getting at is I may not like what they do, but it's not me who's doing it so it's none of my buisness, and just because I don't think it's a very appealing idea, doesn't mean that it's wrong.
It's like that thing... that someone said (lol): I don't agree with what you do/say, but I'll defend to the death your right to do/say it.
That is presuming it is something harmless like homosexuality of course XD
I think some people need to learn to keep their mouths shut and just get along with people based on whether they are a nice person or not, and nothing else.
I will add a couple of things though, yes, I do use the term "gay" to describe something I think is kind of lame from time to time, but only in jest and with no other intent.
Also, while I do agree that all people should accept gay people and treat them just like everybody else, I do get very wound up when the political correctness people and some inconsiderate gay people imply that not only should I accept and respect gay people, but I should celebrate and love the whole idea of homosexuality, that's extremely offensive to me. Yes I respect and accept it and I would never for a second do anything to stop anyone doing it, but I will never like the idea of man on man action (sorry for the wording there lol).
So it is give and take to an extent, gay people do also need to accept that while everyone should respect and accept homosexuality, not everyone should think it's great if they really dont.
Anyway that's the end of my little essay here lol, thanks for reading XD
I mean sure, to most straight guys, myself included, doing sexual or physical stuff with another guy is a pretty repellent and unnatural idea. The problem is that a portion of the group who quite understandably think that don't seem to grasp the fact that another person may feel perfectly normal about it, and is free to do so.
What I'm getting at is I may not like what they do, but it's not me who's doing it so it's none of my buisness, and just because I don't think it's a very appealing idea, doesn't mean that it's wrong.
It's like that thing... that someone said (lol): I don't agree with what you do/say, but I'll defend to the death your right to do/say it.
That is presuming it is something harmless like homosexuality of course XD
I think some people need to learn to keep their mouths shut and just get along with people based on whether they are a nice person or not, and nothing else.
I will add a couple of things though, yes, I do use the term "gay" to describe something I think is kind of lame from time to time, but only in jest and with no other intent.
Also, while I do agree that all people should accept gay people and treat them just like everybody else, I do get very wound up when the political correctness people and some inconsiderate gay people imply that not only should I accept and respect gay people, but I should celebrate and love the whole idea of homosexuality, that's extremely offensive to me. Yes I respect and accept it and I would never for a second do anything to stop anyone doing it, but I will never like the idea of man on man action (sorry for the wording there lol).
So it is give and take to an extent, gay people do also need to accept that while everyone should respect and accept homosexuality, not everyone should think it's great if they really dont.
Anyway that's the end of my little essay here lol, thanks for reading XD
Oh and I should probably add, in my opinion; Gay marriage? yes. Gay couples with kids? no.
I will justify that of course.
If a gay couple want to commit to each other, that's great, I wish them all the best. But I believe that gay couples should have to accept that because of the choice they have made, they can never have kids. Why? well firstly, they obviously cannot physically produce a child, and secondly, it would be extremely unhealthy for a child to have two dads or two mums. A child needs to have both a strong male influence and a strong female influence by nature.
However, like homosexuality in general, I don't like the idea of same sex parents, but I won't stop them from living their own lives. I don't agree with it, but what I think should be of no consequence to them.
I will justify that of course.
If a gay couple want to commit to each other, that's great, I wish them all the best. But I believe that gay couples should have to accept that because of the choice they have made, they can never have kids. Why? well firstly, they obviously cannot physically produce a child, and secondly, it would be extremely unhealthy for a child to have two dads or two mums. A child needs to have both a strong male influence and a strong female influence by nature.
However, like homosexuality in general, I don't like the idea of same sex parents, but I won't stop them from living their own lives. I don't agree with it, but what I think should be of no consequence to them.