"Gaymers" Speak Out On Homophobia

[Mariena]

Though on the bright side, lesbians are "spared" quite often. Because, you know, even though they could possibly be old, butch, totally not something that a guy would look for in a hot super model, it IS possibly that they are two hot super models.

So, I'm being cut a lot of slack quite often, though it's those extremists you have to worry about. Those are really creepy and should be locked up!

 

[Orekoya]

Oh and I should probably add, in my opinion; Gay marriage? yes. Gay couples with kids? no.

I will justify that of course.

Uh, let me stop you right there. No [http://www.rossde.com/editorials/childrenofgays.html] you can't [http://www.slate.com/id/2097048/], every scientific study has already confirm that is a false statement. Now you can say you don't like the idea, and I'm not attacking you for it but what you're basing your opinion is not correct.

 

[Mariena]

"Are you gay?"

"I'm ecstatic!"

 

[Susan Arendt]

If a gay couple want to commit to each other, that's great, I wish them all the best. But I believe that gay couples should have to accept that because of the choice they have made, they can never have kids. Why? well firstly, they obviously cannot physically produce a child, and secondly, it would be extremely unhealthy for a child to have two dads or two mums. A child needs to have both a strong male influence and a strong female influence by nature.

So, by that token, if I can't have children for physical reasons, I shouldn't be allowed to adopt, and anyone who grows up in a single-parent househould is screwed.

Um...sorry, no.

Children need loving, caring, attentive parents, period. Actually, could be a grandparent or uncle, really, doesn't matter, so long as the adult cares about and wants to do right by the child. I certainly do agree that it is very beneficial for a child to grow up with positive role models from both genders, but those role models don't necessarily have to be the child's parents. Two mums, two dads, three uncles, twelve cousins...kids need love and structure, and there are many, many ways to give that to them other than just man and wife.

 

[Texian]

Eh, I made that argument in jest for it's shock value. I'd gladly debate with you anything else I said? But that wouldn't interest you, I suppose, because you can't color it as "homophobic."

I'll ignore the snark that's implying that I'm some kind of reactionary weirdo who goes out of his way to look for things to be offended by and just say that I happened to be the genius that invoked Poe's Law by looking too much into your joke. My mistake.

 

[Orekoya]

If a gay couple want to commit to each other, that's great, I wish them all the best. But I believe that gay couples should have to accept that because of the choice they have made, they can never have kids. Why? well firstly, they obviously cannot physically produce a child, and secondly, it would be extremely unhealthy for a child to have two dads or two mums. A child needs to have both a strong male influence and a strong female influence by nature.

So, by that token, if I can't have children for physical reasons, I shouldn't be allowed to adopt, and anyone who grows up in a single-parent househould is screwed.

Um...sorry, no.

Children need loving, caring, attentive parents, period. Actually, could be a grandparent or uncle, really, doesn't matter, so long as the adult cares about and wants to do right by the child. I certainly do agree that it is very beneficial for a child to grow up with positive role models from both genders, but those role models don't necessarily have to be the child's parents. Two mums, two dads, three uncles, twelve cousins...kids need love and structure, and there are many, many ways to give that to them other than just man and wife.

Exactly, most leading studies show that the leading cause of deviant or unbalanced children is poor living conditions and poor parenting, particular in cases of authoritarian parenting being the leading cause of imbalanced emotional problems. This is something more heterosexual parents would cause than homosexual parents considering the chances of accidental unplanned unprepared child birthing and raising is less common for them. Most gay parents choose to become parents with the knowledge and money in mind to raise a child whereas most straight parents become parents by a night of drunken dry-humping.

 

[Jenny Creed]

Hey, you know why the nuclear family as an ideal is programmed into us so relentlessly by the big money companies? It's got the greatest consumer potential of any possible configuration of people. If we live one by one or two by two we don't use quite as much stuff per person for various subtle reasons, and a family of 10 or 20 people living together obviously cut a lot of expenses. But mommy, daddy and two kids is the perfect balance. There's old-fashioned standards for you.

 

[Anarchemitis]

"Are you gay?"

"I'm ecstatic!"

Exactly.
I hate how the word 'Homo' has attached such a strong negative connotation. It's simply Latin for 'uniform' or 'the same', like Hetero means 'mixed'.

 

[kutuup]

If a gay couple want to commit to each other, that's great, I wish them all the best. But I believe that gay couples should have to accept that because of the choice they have made, they can never have kids. Why? well firstly, they obviously cannot physically produce a child, and secondly, it would be extremely unhealthy for a child to have two dads or two mums. A child needs to have both a strong male influence and a strong female influence by nature.

So, by that token, if I can't have children for physical reasons, I shouldn't be allowed to adopt, and anyone who grows up in a single-parent househould is screwed.

Um...sorry, no.

Children need loving, caring, attentive parents, period. Actually, could be a grandparent or uncle, really, doesn't matter, so long as the adult cares about and wants to do right by the child. I certainly do agree that it is very beneficial for a child to grow up with positive role models from both genders, but those role models don't necessarily have to be the child's parents. Two mums, two dads, three uncles, twelve cousins...kids need love and structure, and there are many, many ways to give that to them other than just man and wife.

Um... Sorry, yes. To be frank.

Children do need to have both a mother and a father, hence the issues that are statistically likely to arise in single parent families. The difference is that in a situation where a child grows up with just one parent, the other parent has usually either died or left home, therefore the parents did not conscienciously decide to place the child in a situation with a single gender influence. However gay couples who adopt children ARE consciously choosing this situation for a their child. They are forcing their child into a situation that is potential damaging for them, that's known as being irresponsible.

Can you honestly tell me that they have the child's best interests in mind and do not simply want a child just to please themselves?

I'm just this second realising I don't agree with what I'm saying lol, maybe you've convinced me otherwise. To an extent.

I would say that the couple should be assessed for their suitability as parents based upon how they can provide strong role models from both genders. They also should be assessed on their general demeanour just as heterosexual couples are to ensure that the child will be in a balanced and responsible environment. The thing that puts me off the idea is, to be honest, worry that some gay or lesbian couples may want a child solely to please themselves almost as a protest of some kind, I've seen that happen, but maybe it was wrong of me to generalise, each case does deserve it's own assessment and merits. If the couple are genuinely going to be good parents and can provide role models from both genders, I think that's all good. Wow, in the words of Moss from the IT Crowd; "Every value I've ever held is being challenged, and I'm loving it!"

Ha ha

I never thought of it how you put it, and I think you're right.

 

[kutuup]

Hey, you know why the nuclear family as an ideal is programmed into us so relentlessly by the big money companies? It's got the greatest consumer potential of any possible configuration of people. If we live one by one or two by two we don't use quite as much stuff per person for various subtle reasons, and a family of 10 or 20 people living together obviously cut a lot of expenses. But mommy, daddy and two kids is the perfect balance. There's old-fashioned standards for you.

I don't buy THAT one though. Kinda smacks of a good ol' conspiracy theory. No offense XD

 

[the monopoly guy]

"Are you gay?"

"I'm ecstatic!"

Exactly.
I hate how the word 'Homo' has attached such a strong negative connotation. It's simply Latin for 'uniform' or 'the same', like Hetero means 'mixed'.

Or how every time a 13 year old heres it used (like homozygous) they snicker and make gay jokes.

 

[Jumplion]

"Are you gay?"

"I'm ecstatic!"

Exactly.
I hate how the word 'Homo' has attached such a strong negative connotation. It's simply Latin for 'uniform' or 'the same', like Hetero means 'mixed'.

Or how every time a 13 year old heres it used (like homozygous) they snicker and make gay jokes.

Ungh, don't get me started on the kids that ask me if i'm a "homosapien". Never ends well.

 

[Turbine2k5]

Oh and I should probably add, in my opinion; Gay marriage? yes. Gay couples with kids? no.

I'm sorry, but then you shouldn't be allowed to support pro-life. After all, there's plenty of kids who need reliable parents (whether they be straight or gay).

But I'm wanting to make a better point: people's hypocrisy.

Every time we mention "homosexual" or "gay", people assume that we're talking about GUYS. No one has mentioned lesbians in this entire thread. Why not? They're the same as homosexual guys. And yet, their not...

...because anytime you mention to a straight guy about two women going at it, they drool like crazy. (To most guys) Girls having sex together: yes. Guys having sex together: no. I'm not really concerned with idiots whining over Live thinking their so awesome because they can threaten gays. (In reality, the biggest homophobes tend to be the ones that come out of the closet later on in life. I know from experience.) I'm concerned with those who have a small mind and can cry about guys having sex, but they'll watch chicks making out and fingering each other. Note: If you're going to complain about an issue, understand what all it encompasses.

 

[Jumplion]

Oh and I should probably add, in my opinion; Gay marriage? yes. Gay couples with kids? no.

I'm sorry, but then you shouldn't be allowed to support pro-life. After all, there's plenty of kids who need reliable parents (whether they be straight or gay).

But I'm wanting to make a better point: people's hypocrisy.

Every time we mention "homosexual" or "gay", people assume that we're talking about GUYS. No one has mentioned lesbians in this entire thread. Why not? They're the same as homosexual guys. And yet, their not...

...because anytime you mention to a straight guy about two women going at it, they drool like crazy. (To most guys) Girls having sex together: yes. Guys having sex together: no. I'm not really concerned with idiots whining over Live thinking their so awesome because they can threaten gays. (In reality, the biggest homophobes tend to be the ones that come out of the closet later on in life. I know from experience.) I'm concerned with those who have a small mind and can cry about guys having sex, but they'll watch chicks making out and fingering each other. Note: If you're going to complain about an issue, understand what all it encompasses.

I think "lesbian" would be more in the term of Girl Gamers. I mean, if you announce you're a girl online you're going to get shit from a bunch of guys who want to do "stuff" to you and try to act cool. I could only imagine what they would say if the girl said she was lesbian, oh boy, I'd imagine it would be worse!

 

[Mariena]

Oh and I should probably add, in my opinion; Gay marriage? yes. Gay couples with kids? no.

Every time we mention "homosexual" or "gay", people assume that we're talking about GUYS. No one has mentioned lesbians in this entire thread.

*pulls Turbine2k5's sleeve*

Uhm mister.. I have!

I think "lesbian" would be more in the term of Girl Gamers. I mean, if you announce you're a girl online you're going to get shit from a bunch of guys who want to do "stuff" to you and try to act cool. I could only imagine what they would say if the girl said she was lesbian, oh boy, I'd imagine it would be worse!

How you could be further from the truth :/

 

[meece]

Kids.... it would be nice if they got some new insults.

Then again it is always fun pissing them off by.... intelligently insulting them but meh it gets tedious

"What so... like you then"?

"Are you sure"

"I don't believe you

"Think of something original, stop parroting"

"Just because you aren't witty enough to think of something new ^^"

etc.

 

[Mira777]

If a gay couple want to commit to each other, that's great, I wish them all the best. But I believe that gay couples should have to accept that because of the choice they have made, they can never have kids. Why? well firstly, they obviously cannot physically produce a child, and secondly, it would be extremely unhealthy for a child to have two dads or two mums. A child needs to have both a strong male influence and a strong female influence by nature.

So, by that token, if I can't have children for physical reasons, I shouldn't be allowed to adopt, and anyone who grows up in a single-parent househould is screwed.

Um...sorry, no.

Children need loving, caring, attentive parents, period. Actually, could be a grandparent or uncle, really, doesn't matter, so long as the adult cares about and wants to do right by the child. I certainly do agree that it is very beneficial for a child to grow up with positive role models from both genders, but those role models don't necessarily have to be the child's parents. Two mums, two dads, three uncles, twelve cousins...kids need love and structure, and there are many, many ways to give that to them other than just man and wife.

Um... Sorry, yes. To be frank.

Children do need to have both a mother and a father, hence the issues that are statistically likely to arise in single parent families. The difference is that in a situation where a child grows up with just one parent, the other parent has usually either died or left home, therefore the parents did not conscienciously decide to place the child in a situation with a single gender influence. However gay couples who adopt children ARE consciously choosing this situation for a their child. They are forcing their child into a situation that is potential damaging for them, that's known as being irresponsible.

Can you honestly tell me that they have the child's best interests in mind and do not simply want a child just to please themselves?

I'm just this second realising I don't agree with what I'm saying lol, maybe you've convinced me otherwise. To an extent.

I would say that the couple should be assessed for their suitability as parents based upon how they can provide strong role models from both genders. They also should be assessed on their general demeanour just as heterosexual couples are to ensure that the child will be in a balanced and responsible environment. The thing that puts me off the idea is, to be honest, worry that some gay or lesbian couples may want a child solely to please themselves almost as a protest of some kind, I've seen that happen, but maybe it was wrong of me to generalise, each case does deserve it's own assessment and merits. If the couple are genuinely going to be good parents and can provide role models from both genders, I think that's all good. Wow, in the words of Moss from the IT Crowd; "Every value I've ever held is being challenged, and I'm loving it!"

Ha ha

I never thought of it how you put it, and I think you're right.

Ok, I must argue with this though I agree it is good for children to have positive role models from both genders but it does not necessarily have to be their parents or even their family. It could be teachers or friends. I also must add in that, while I do have two heterosexual parents who are still married, I grew up mostly with my dad yet there is nothing wrong with me. Maybe I act like more like a boy than what other people would like but those are my personal choices, not theirs.

Homosexual parents should be allowed to adopt if they want to, there is nothing wrong with that if they're going to be good parents.

Another thing, there are probably more children damaged by divorce, child abuse, etc from heterosexual parents than children who were damaged by having same sex parents. Having same sex parents could actually be beneficial for the child as they are more open and accepting of others. Their parents would be more accepting towards them as well, considering all the abuse and harassment they had to take whether it be intentional or unintentional. Such as stand up comedians, some of them make very crude jokes about sexuality, genders, ages, even hair color with the oh-so-popular blonde jokes. Or maybe TV shows that degrade the above mentioned things.

By the way, how exactly did this forum change so drastically? Was it not to originally talk about homophobia and how we could help people deal with it and make it less abusive and hurtful?

I think everyone has the right to believe in something and express what they believe but it's how they express it that really sticks out. You can be a homophobe all you want but please don't go around threatening people or harassing them because of your 'rights'. Same thing goes for the homosexuals/whatever sexuality you are. You can express your sexuality but please think about the situation and your audience. There's always and a time and place for things such as this.

 

[Gildedtongue]

One common theme I'm seeing is that people keep saying, "Well, if they don't say that they're gay, then it shouldn't be a problem." Honestly, I don't think people just pop up and say "I'm gaaaay!" Same goes double for those who say "I don't want to hear about you having sex" which seems to equate the simple declaration of homo or bisexuality.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that usually "outings" are caused by people simply saying that they're uncomfortable with terminology used in the chatstream. Whether you are homosexual or not, asking to tone down homophobic remarks brands you as a pariah from the gamers, and more than likely a target. In my last job my boss remarked that if he ever found that his son was gay he'd beat the ****** out of him. I bit my tongue like a good American workerbot, but that certainly made me extraordinarily uncomfortable. I had to act a part that wasn't me in fear for, primarily, my paycheque.

Comments saying that "homosexuality has no place in online gaming" would only hold water if you would also agree that "homophobia has no place in online gaming." Use the voice chat for what it is meant for, discussing game strategies and not about who's a "******" or whatever other derogatory name one wishes to say. If the online gaming community is more about social interaction, then, yes, homosexuality has a place in online gaming. As far as protecting homophobes' rights, well, when was the last time a couple "friends of Dorothy" ever single out a "breeder" in a bar, took them out, robbed, pistol-whipped, tortured further, then tied to a fence, left for dead?