"Gaymers" Speak Out On Homophobia

[kutuup]

Oh and I should probably add, in my opinion; Gay marriage? yes. Gay couples with kids? no.

I'm sorry, but then you shouldn't be allowed to support pro-life. After all, there's plenty of kids who need reliable parents (whether they be straight or gay).

But I'm wanting to make a better point: people's hypocrisy.

Every time we mention "homosexual" or "gay", people assume that we're talking about GUYS. No one has mentioned lesbians in this entire thread. Why not? They're the same as homosexual guys. And yet, their not...

...because anytime you mention to a straight guy about two women going at it, they drool like crazy. (To most guys) Girls having sex together: yes. Guys having sex together: no. I'm not really concerned with idiots whining over Live thinking their so awesome because they can threaten gays. (In reality, the biggest homophobes tend to be the ones that come out of the closet later on in life. I know from experience.) I'm concerned with those who have a small mind and can cry about guys having sex, but they'll watch chicks making out and fingering each other. Note: If you're going to complain about an issue, understand what all it encompasses.

I think guys tend to be less put off by lesbians than gay people because straight guys are used to being aroused by women in sexual situations. They aren't turned on by gay people for the exact same reason, they aren't attracted to men.

And I take great offense at your implication that I would sit and watch two girls making out and fingering each other, that's private between themselves, I'm not gonna intrude or gawp over it all smuttily because I have good manners and respect. The same goes for a guy and a girl situation. Sure I might find the idea of it kinda arousing because I like girls, but I wouldn't wanna watch two people having a private intimate moment. That and I massively detest guys who think of women solely as a sexual thing, I'd rather have a nice romantic experiance with a girl than some smutty spank fest (lol)

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

So I guess you think the sex eds classes are the same as playing pornos in school? Teaching people mannerisms to protect themselves and how to be aware and safe aren't the same as discussing how to perform double penetration and don't pretend it is.

Also, way to go, taking a whole page of someone's post, nitpick one thing and act like it negates their entire argument. Real accomplishment.

Edit: The last gay pride I was at was in 2008 Nashville where we had over 1200 and maybe 100 people were dressed up in some way for attention getting and those were for special floats, the rest marched in t-shirts and shorts considering it was the middle of summer, now if you need help in math I am quite skilled but if you think 100 to 1200 is more than 1 quarter of the whole amount then I will be happy to tutor you until you get past that gross calculation deficiency. Also there was over 50 booths and only 1 had free condoms or lube, and 2 had safe-sex pamphlets. The rest were banks, politicans, and such.

Let's see. Ad Hominem argument. Strawman. Hypocrisy. Flame. 2nd Flame. Condemnation of your own figures. But we'll leave the best to last.
Want to know why those banks and politicians were there? Because, as the Gay Pride have said, the heteros are taking over the Pride Marches and they want to reclaim them as "Gay only" events.

And who are you fighting with? Not someone who loathes and detests gays, but who actually went out of their way to be the token 'straight' guy.

That's what I'm angry with. What could be a good argument against homophobia is actually bolstering it for your own ego.

 

[sidhe3141]

"Are you gay?"

"I'm ecstatic!"

Exactly.
I hate how the word 'Homo' has attached such a strong negative connotation. It's simply Latin for 'uniform' or 'the same', like Hetero means 'mixed'.

Greek, actually, but yeah.

 

[Aries_Split]

So I guess you think the sex eds classes are the same as playing pornos in school? Teaching people mannerisms to protect themselves and how to be aware and safe aren't the same as discussing how to perform double penetration and don't pretend it is.

Also, way to go, taking a whole page of someone's post, nitpick one thing and act like it negates their entire argument. Real accomplishment.

Edit: The last gay pride I was at was in 2008 Nashville where we had over 1200 and maybe 100 people were dressed up in some way for attention getting and those were for special floats, the rest marched in t-shirts and shorts considering it was the middle of summer, now if you need help in math I am quite skilled but if you think 100 to 1200 is more than 1 quarter of the whole amount then I will be happy to tutor you until you get past that gross calculation deficiency. Also there was over 50 booths and only 1 had free condoms or lube, and 2 had safe-sex pamphlets. The rest were banks, politicans, and such.

Let's see. Ad Hominem argument. Strawman. Hypocrisy. Flame. 2nd Flame. Condemnation of your own figures. But we'll leave the best to last.
Want to know why those banks and politicians were there? Because, as the Gay Pride have said, the heteros are taking over the Pride Marches and they want to reclaim them as "Gay only" events.

And who are you fighting with? Not someone who loathes and detests gays, but who actually went out of their way to be the token 'straight' guy.

That's what I'm angry with. What could be a good argument against homophobia is actually bolstering it for your own ego.

That's a really good point Root. I've never thought of it in that way.

 

[Acervusvlos]

As someone who is part of the trash talkers bit, I personally -do- use the "You're gay" insult.

That said, it's never meant, and you should never take offense to it. It's the internet, not real life.

I had to learn that really quick, because heck, we're all nerds anyway, no reason to hold a grudge against each other, eh?

 

[Aries_Split]

As someone who is part of the trash talkers bit, I personally -do- use the "You're gay" insult.

That said, it's never meant, and you should never take offense to it. It's the internet, not real life.

I had to learn that really quick, because heck, we're all nerds anyway, no reason to hold a grudge against each other, eh?

Trash talking is fail if your so unoriginal you can't come up with a new insult.

To the people who say Gay is just like the word "Lame" or "Stupid", the next time you call someone gay, ask yourself why that is?

 

[Acervusvlos]

"Are you gay?"

"I'm ecstatic!"

Exactly.
I hate how the word 'Homo' has attached such a strong negative connotation. It's simply Latin for 'uniform' or 'the same', like Hetero means 'mixed'.

Greek, actually, but yeah.

It has two meanings.

The latin meaning is "Man" (Homo, that is, note "Homo Sapien")
And the greek meaning is "The Same".

 

[Acervusvlos]

As someone who is part of the trash talkers bit, I personally -do- use the "You're gay" insult.

That said, it's never meant, and you should never take offense to it. It's the internet, not real life.

I had to learn that really quick, because heck, we're all nerds anyway, no reason to hold a grudge against each other, eh?

Trash talking is fail if your so unoriginal you can't come up with a new insult.

To the people who say Gay is just like the word "Lame" or "Stupid", the next time you call someone gay, ask yourself why that is?

Normally I don't call PEOPLE gay, I call their actions gay, or a video game's programming gay.

And honestly, it's become a part of our society. You can't say everyone you says "YOUR GAY" has some deep seeded homosexual urge. That's just a part of our society now.

And yes, when I say "You're gay", it's not aimed at the person, it's aimed at the action.

 

[Trace2010]

1) White
2) Male
3) Christian background
4) Choose not to talk about my sex life.
5) Have been around openly gay people.
6) Have been around closet homosexuals.
7) Have met the people who have found the happy medium that DOES exist between "in the closet" and "human torch flaming"- the people are in touch with themselves, but are also self aware enough to know when to say when.
8) Being a musician and artist, I have admired the artistic skills and master work of many gays-both in the closet and openly.
9) Never had any problems with homosexuals (indeed, sometimes they were easier to talk too/get along with than my straight friends).

I chalk these problems up to three things:
A) Young people who are gay are watching too many people who can be openly gay on television (especially on reality TV) thinking that is what truly "being gay is". This draws back to a similar argument I had on another post about young black kids "truly being black" only if they wore jerseys, baggie pants, gold chains, and swore every other word.
B) Other young people simply being other young people and (at most times) unknowingly offending these subgroups (NOT sub-human or sub-citizens, just parts of a whole) of the human existence. I am sorry, but every subset of human culture has been knowingly persecuted throughout history- esp. American history.
C) People taking (once again) the statement that you are either "100% of one or 100% of the other", and that "if they are different, they are dangerous/cannot be trusted". This defines true ignorance on BOTH sides. Not all Christians favor completely demonizing gays, just like Christians don't embrace slavery (an Old Testament tradition) anymore.

P.S.: I thought the term "fag" actually meant "cross-dresser" (got it from Crocodile Dundee).

 

[Aries_Split]

As someone who is part of the trash talkers bit, I personally -do- use the "You're gay" insult.

That said, it's never meant, and you should never take offense to it. It's the internet, not real life.

I had to learn that really quick, because heck, we're all nerds anyway, no reason to hold a grudge against each other, eh?

Trash talking is fail if your so unoriginal you can't come up with a new insult.

To the people who say Gay is just like the word "Lame" or "Stupid", the next time you call someone gay, ask yourself why that is?

Normally I don't call PEOPLE gay, I call their actions gay, or a video game's programming gay.

And honestly, it's become a part of our society. You can't say everyone you says "YOUR GAY" has some deep seeded homosexual urge. That's just a part of our society now.

And yes, when I say "You're gay", it's not aimed at the person, it's aimed at the action.

I'm not accusing you of homophobia, but every time you call something Gay with negative connotations, realize WHY it's become part of our society.

 

[Acervusvlos]

As someone who is part of the trash talkers bit, I personally -do- use the "You're gay" insult.

That said, it's never meant, and you should never take offense to it. It's the internet, not real life.

I had to learn that really quick, because heck, we're all nerds anyway, no reason to hold a grudge against each other, eh?

Trash talking is fail if your so unoriginal you can't come up with a new insult.

To the people who say Gay is just like the word "Lame" or "Stupid", the next time you call someone gay, ask yourself why that is?

Normally I don't call PEOPLE gay, I call their actions gay, or a video game's programming gay.

And honestly, it's become a part of our society. You can't say everyone you says "YOUR GAY" has some deep seeded homosexual urge. That's just a part of our society now.

And yes, when I say "You're gay", it's not aimed at the person, it's aimed at the action.

I'm not accusing you of homophobia, but every time you call something Gay with negative connotations, realize WHY it's become part of our society.

Oh, it's because of the old view of homosexuality, no doubt.
But again, why be offended by it?
It's just a word, it's not like I bashed anyone's knees in and spit in thier eye.

 

[Mariena]

Well, in that case, might as well use the f word publicly, along with the n word. Heck, maybe even in one sentence! They're just words and all!

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Then there's the disturbing statement made by yet another gamer: "I want to shoot you right now. I want to hang you because you're gay. It's not nice but it's true." Ask yourself how many times you've heard similar comments during an online match.

Doesn't that make you feel good about mankind?
All this behaviour does is further alienate people who might not even accept themselves. I'm bi myself and I don't beat the drum and wave the flag about it, but I don't make a point of hiding it. What I discovered is that certain people can find this out about you and make your life hell for it. For example, one time I was playing FarCry with some friends and they were just having a friendly joke about it and these people we were playing with latched on to it and started having a go to the extent of some of the extremes in the article.
I had this constantly when I was growing up, it still hasn't really gone away now, and after a while you really start to question yourself and think maybe I am a waste of space. I mean you learn to live with it after a while but it really can get quite intense.

 

[Acervusvlos]

Well, in that case, might as well use the f word publicly, along with the n word. Heck, maybe even in one sentence! They're just words and all!

This is America (Or the UK, I don't know where you are), Say what you want.

You're the only one responsible for what comes out of your mouth.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You're the only one responsible for what comes out of your mouth.

SO not making that joke here.

 

[Larmo]

Having satellite internet makes it impossible to take my 360 online reliably, i haven't experienced these problems first hand but my friend who dose go online regularly actually doesn't use his headset anymore because of all the idiocy and stupidity thrown around over chat, I listened one day while he was playing and after 10 minuets i couldn't stand anymore of this gay bashing racist and I removed the headset but not before imparting some friendly advice "Statistically most people are homophobic secretly fear there gay" and i left it at that and i hope he partook some wisdom in this as do most people who gay-bash my friends around me and shut up.

 

[redFaction]

First of all, this thread is quite long so please don't verbally lynch me for not reading everything up til this point, or if I bring up something that has been previously discussed/resolved.

I'm not an etymologist, but I don't believe the words "gay" and "fag" were created to be derisive words against homosexual people (much unlike the n-word). When I say "that's gay," I have no intentions of insulting's someone's sexual orientation. I have no idea when "fag" became a word directed to gays, I'm really surprised at the degree of seriousness some people take it. To me, it almost seems that some gays are going out of the way to be offended by it.

For example: Not to stereotype, but alot of the gay people I know in real life say "Oh my god oh my god oh my god" on a daily basis. A Christian person would be offended by that because it is use of the Lord's name in vain, though a lot of you would probably say that it is the Christian's personal choice to be a member of that religion, and he is going out of his way to choose to be offended by the usage of "omg omg omg," and therefore should not deter the gay individual's freedom of speech. You would likely add that "gay people are born gay, but religious people have a choice in what they want to believe, and thus the same does not apply," but for most religious people I know, belief in their religion isn't really their decision; it's more like do it or go to hell, and the latter isn't really an appealing choice. Then there's the religious people who genuinely love their god, and to not believe in their faith wouldn't even be a possible option in their mind. So why is it ok for anyone to go around saying "oh my god" within earshot of Christians?

That is kind of what I mean when I think that some gays are extra sensitive to offense. While to some it could seem easy for me to simply not say those things that gays do take offense to, but it would really take a great deal of effort to completely remove a word from my vocabulary, as whiny as that sounds.

I honestly don't know what constitutes as homophobia, since it seems more than ok to bash homophobics and equate them with idiots almost immediately.

(More Examples)
While a 12 year old screaming "die fag!!!11!" into his headset would more than qualify to be intolerant, predujiced, and surely idiotic, you can't really call him homophobic. He should receive all the bashing that a petulant ingrate deserves, but a 12 year old would make fun of anyone for anything (as long as they were concealed by a veil of anonymity that the internet so easily provides).

Then there's the actual homophobic. And in this case, the PHOBIA suffix actually applies. Someone who has a severe (and genuine) aversion to gay people, and may suffer from other mental afflictions, and in that case, why should they be hated on? A homophobic doesn't choose to be afraid of gays in the same way an arachnophobic doesn't choose to be afraid of spiders, so why should their irrational fear automatically equate them with intolerant rednecks and those with primitive mindsets?

So in neither case (the 2 most common cases in my opinion) is it really fair to hate on someone for being homphobic: one where the child is too immature or stupid to understand and actually hate gays, and the other where irrational fear (which the individual may not truly feel) dominates clear judgement.

It should be noted that in places like schools (particularly the high school I currently attend), actual homophobic people (in this case, I don't mean those who are dubbed homophobic by just using the word 'gay') are bashed for their disposition just as much as gays are by other peers (which is wonderfully ironic in a way). Same as in this forum.

(I feel a strong backlash approaching, so I'd like to point out the obvious and say in advance: this is an open discussion, and other views should be presented as well.)

Hey, you know why the nuclear family as an ideal is programmed into us so relentlessly by the big money companies? It's got the greatest consumer potential of any possible configuration of people. If we live one by one or two by two we don't use quite as much stuff per person for various subtle reasons, and a family of 10 or 20 people living together obviously cut a lot of expenses. But mommy, daddy and two kids is the perfect balance. There's old-fashioned standards for you.

No... That's just paranoid.

 

[Orekoya]

Okay The_root_of_all_evil I'm just curious:

I said, ?I been to lots, it isn't ever about sex, not even remotely. And 3/4ths of the people are normally dressed discussing our existence and interests during the event. What gets put on the TV is just sensationalism, attention-getting crap because the boring normal people aren't rating catchers. There are absolutely no gay sex advertisements going on there that I've seen unless they've been hiding it from me with those Sex-Crazed Homos you mentioned?

You replied, ?Wrong, wrong, right but irrelevant, you're missing the free condoms/lube and latex squares then? as well as the STD awareness ads??

I replied, ?the sex eds classes are the same as playing pornos in school? Teaching people mannerisms to protect themselves and how to be aware and safe aren't the same as discussing how to perform double penetration and don't pretend it is.?

You now say ?Ad Hominem argument. Strawman. Hypocrisy.?

I scratch my head and now say, ?Wtf are you talking about? Saying that std prevention isn?t gay advertisements isn?t attacking you or making the homo-hater.?

Seriously, pointing out that just giving people the tools and information to practice safe sex isn?t an advertisement for gay sex, ie my point that are no gay sex advertisements and Sex-Crazed Homos at pride that Whitelyon in an earlier post claimed isn?t an attack on you.

The other crap was just irrelevant bsing to mess with you though. Case in point:

You're the only one responsible for what comes out of your mouth.

SO not making that joke here.

Since you won't and it's so giggle worthy and versatile.

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned." Luke 6:37

Remember, Jesus recommends swallowing.

 

[Mariena]

Which raises the question.. Did Jesus swallow?

(I had to say it!)

 

[Orekoya]

Which raises the question.. Did Jesus swallow?

(I had to say it!)

You have to ask? I've seen Passion of the Christ, Jesus is such a bottom.