Gays and Homophobia

[Jewrean]

Like all straight men I like seeing Lesbians but unlike most men I don't try and 'get in on it'.

When it comes to gay dudes:

a) My masochistic says 'Hey that means more chicks for me! Thanks gay guys!'
b) My realistic side (that knows my romantic conquests are little) says 'So long as I don't have to see it and you don't shove it in my face at every opportunity then we are cool homie'.

 

[Krion_Vark]

I found out less than a week ago one of my best friends from High School is bi because I never bothered to ask. Why did I never bother to ask because it doesn't matter. Hell someone could be digging up corpses in the middle of the night and having sex with them then eating them and I wouldn't care as long as they had a nice personality.

Basically I don't care what a person is because whether they are gay/straight/bi it doesn't matter.
Oh and if anyone was wondering I am straight and I am from Northampton Massachusetts. Look it up apparently in the early 90's 20/20 did an episode about it called Gay Capital USA so pretty much Gay/bi have been part of my life since I moved there when I was 5.

 

[Kimarous]

Looks like I am the first to say this here...

I am NOT for homosexuality. Sure, I have my odd moment of "girl on girl is hot" or whatever, but on the whole, I do not support the homosexual community. Before you go waving the "homophobia" flag on me, neither do I outright oppose homosexuality. A lack of approval does not necessarily mean hatred or fear.

For me, homosexuality = brussel sprouts. I don't like it, I don't need to like it, but neither do I bring harm to those who do like it or attempt to convince them otherwise. Just don't expect me to promote it... and you can definitely count me out of partaking.

Now I'm not saying you belief is wrong, you are entitled to your belief and I respect your opinions. Although, could you please enlighten me to why you dislike homosexuality

1) Religious views
2) Personal morality
3) A complicated relationship with my older brother who might be in a homosexual civil union primarily for tax benefits.
4) Bad memories from childhood including "bad touching" accusations that resulted in me leaving Scouts, and sexual experimentation between me, my brother, and my best friend which our parents stumbled into.

 

[comet5002]

In case no one got the real meaning of my last post, I'm not for OR against gays. I couldn't care less, actually.

What I AM against is gay males who persist in wearing clothing made for girls and talking with that BLOODY ANNOYING gay accent and swinging their hips and then getting all up in your grill for staring at them awkwardly.

Comet, what about the over-feminised gay men do you dislike? Is it because they are taking on the persona of a woman and, if so, do you have a problem with over-masculine lesbians?

It is not a choice to be gay. Of this I know and agree with.

It IS a choice to put yourself out there and hurt the stereotype of homosexuals by acting like a flaming peacock. I know plenty of homosexual males who you would never know were homosexual by the way they acted or dressed. They like football. They like video games. Etc. It's just freaking annoying when gays are flaming. They're crying for attention, no matter if it's positive or negative.

I don't like girls who have boy haircuts, but that's probably because I don't like short hair on girls in general. Other than that, I could care less about butch girls. I just look at them as tomboys.

 

[StBishop]

Looks like I am the first to say this here...

I am NOT for homosexuality. Sure, I have my odd moment of "girl on girl is hot" or whatever, but on the whole, I do not support the homosexual community. Before you go waving the "homophobia" flag on me, neither do I outright oppose homosexuality. A lack of approval does not necessarily mean hatred or fear.

For me, homosexuality = brussel sprouts. I don't like it, I don't need to like it, but neither do I bring harm to those who do like it or attempt to convince them otherwise. Just don't expect me to promote it... and you can definitely count me out of partaking.

Now I'm not saying you belief is wrong, you are entitled to your belief and I respect your opinions. Although, could you please enlighten me to why you dislike homosexuality

While it's not my post you quoted, I would like to say that I'm not a fan of homosexuality either. I like plenty of homosexual people but the act of homosexual sex is something I'm not a fan of. I wouldn't do it and don't want to see it, and thinking about it puts me off a little.
Does that make sence?

Now, I don't share Kimarous' view but I did share his lack of support for the gay community. I've always had gay friends (I just didn't always know they were gay) but I always felt that marriage was something that men and women do and that gay couples didn't need it, then earlier this year I realised that even though I may not necissarily want gay people to get married, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to.
And since then I realised how much of a douche I was being, now I fully support gay marriage along with gay rights in general (as far as I'm aware the only discrepancy in my country is marriage and adoption laws.)

I think you'll find plenty of people who support gay rights think this too, they just don't say it because it can often be misinterpreted.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

1) Religious views
2) Personal morality

I'll only deal with those two here, my condolences for the other two. What in your religious beliefs cause this, what teachings from your religious text brings to the idea that homosexuality is wrong? And what personal moral beliefs do you have that makes you think this is wrong?

 

[Kimarous]

1) Religious views
2) Personal morality

I'll only deal with those two here, my condolences for the other two. What in your religious beliefs cause this, what teachings from your religious text brings to the idea that homosexuality is wrong? And what personal moral beliefs do you have that makes you think this is wrong?

Need I deconstruct everything for you? I don't intend to write a full essay on how I view the world or scour the scriptures for particular verses.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

It is not a choice to be gay. Of this I know and agree with.

It IS a choice to put yourself out there and hurt the stereotype of homosexuals by acting like a flaming peacock. I know plenty of homosexual males who you would never know were homosexual by the way they acted or dressed. They like football. They like video games. Etc. It's just freaking annoying when gays are flaming. They're crying for attention, no matter if it's positive or negative.

I don't like girls who have boy haircuts, but that's probably because I don't like short hair on girls in general. Other than that, I could care less about butch girls. I just look at them as tomboys.

But would a straight man who was the inverse of a Tomboy annoy you as much as a Flamer (I hope that means what I think it does). And why is a butch girl just a tomboy and doesn't bother you, it is pretty much a female equivalent to a overly-femine gay man.

 

[X10J]

I wouldn't quite say I'm for gay rights, more like human rights, and we're all human.

Where's the applaud button?
*looks around*
crap...

oh well, I applaud you for that

Human rights all the way! (I think I said that but at least someone else thinks so yaaaaay)

no offense but as much as I support gay people in their fight for rights, it does drive me up a wall whenever they act high and mighty like they're the ONLY type of people that get bullied...

simmilar thinking ftw

In case no one got the real meaning of my last post, I'm not for OR against gays. I couldn't care less, actually.

What I AM against is gay males who persist in wearing clothing made for girls and talking with that BLOODY ANNOYING gay accent and swinging their hips and then getting all up in your grill for staring at them awkwardly.

See Kurt from Glee for an example.

THOSE types make me want to punch kittens, because they're basically saying "Yeah, I'm gay, what are YOU going to do about it?" which goes along with what I was saying earlier.

That is all.

It's possible that at least some of these people have gender identity disorder, that is that while their body is male their brain identifies as female, in which case they may not be trying to, for lack of a better phrase, throw their gayness at you, but are instead doing what comes naturaly to them.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

1) Religious views
2) Personal morality

I'll only deal with those two here, my condolences for the other two. What in your religious beliefs cause this, what teachings from your religious text brings to the idea that homosexuality is wrong? And what personal moral beliefs do you have that makes you think this is wrong?

Need I deconstruct everything for you? I don't intend to write a full essay on how I view the world or scour the scriptures for particular verses.

It is your choice how much depth you want to go into, this thread is merely an intellectual discussion. The amount you want to contribute is up to you

 

[Lieju]

Lesbian, and I'm all for consenting adults doing what they want with each other.

My sexuality is not a secret, but I don't bring it up, unless something like that comes up in a discussion. But since people will automatically assume you are straight, it sometimes creates situations I feel like I'm deceiving people, especially when they go "You're gay, you never told me!" when they find out.

So I understand gays who are very openly gay, to the extent they might come off as annoyingly on-your'-face about it.

 

[Mad World]

I'm strongly against gay acts because they go against Jesus.

I don't hate gays. I love them - just the same as I love any other person. However, I am against gay acts, such as marriage.

 

[Agayek]

What I would like to know from this community is:

Who here is gay/lesbian/bi?
Who is against/for gays/lesbians/bi?
And why are you against/for gays/lesbians/bi?

This is not a chance to bash people due to there views and/or life choices. This is to gain understanding and insight, not start a flame war. Thanks for your help

My sexuality is as straight as a ruler, but the way I see it is that since other people's sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with me, I can't possibly care any less. They are free to do whatever they please, and I will not do or say anything to limit that (with the exception of expressing discomfort should a gay man start hitting on me).

That said, I am mildly unsettled, for lack of a better term, at seeing gay couples. I have no idea why, and I do my best to not let it bother me, but it's there all the same.

 

[comet5002]

It is not a choice to be gay. Of this I know and agree with.

It IS a choice to put yourself out there and hurt the stereotype of homosexuals by acting like a flaming peacock. I know plenty of homosexual males who you would never know were homosexual by the way they acted or dressed. They like football. They like video games. Etc. It's just freaking annoying when gays are flaming. They're crying for attention, no matter if it's positive or negative.

I don't like girls who have boy haircuts, but that's probably because I don't like short hair on girls in general. Other than that, I could care less about butch girls. I just look at them as tomboys.

But would a straight man who was the inverse of a Tomboy annoy you as much as a Flamer (I hope that means what I think it does). And why is a butch girl just a tomboy and doesn't bother you, it is pretty much a female equivalent to a overly-femine gay man.

Because it's not unnatural for most girls to wear what is considered "boy clothes". Even though they are trying to say "Hey I'm a lesbian so what" which infuriates me just as much, it's not as noticeable, whereas a male wearing mascara and eyeliner and a too tight pink wifebeater with skinny jeans is.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

While it's not my post you quoted, I would like to say that I'm not a fan of homosexuality either. I like plenty of homosexual people but the act of homosexual sex is something I'm not a fan of. I wouldn't do it and don't want to see it, and thinking about it puts me off a little.
Does that make sence?

Now, I don't share Kimarous' view but I did share his lack of support for the gay community. I've always had gay friends (I just didn't always know they were gay) but I always felt that marriage was something that men and women do and that gay couples didn't need it, then earlier this year I realised that even though I may not necissarily want gay people to get married, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to.
And since then I realised how much of a douche I was being, now I fully support gay marriage along with gay rights in general (as far as I'm aware the only discrepancy in my country is marriage and adoption laws.)

I think you'll find plenty of people who support gay rights think this too, they just don't say it because it can often be misinterpreted.

StBishop, what about homosexuality puts you off? Is it the idea of a same-sex relationship or intercourse and, if intercourse, is it only man-to-man, femal-to-female or both? And why did you feel that same-sex couples shouldn't marry?

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Because it's not unnatural for most girls to wear what is considered "boy clothes". Even though they are trying to say "Hey I'm a lesbian so what" which infuriates me just as much, it's not as noticeable, whereas a male wearing mascara and eyeliner and a too tight pink wifebeater with skinny jeans is.

So is your problem with Overly-femine gay men being that they are to different to what would "normally" happen in society but with Butch, tomboy lesbians it is not so uncommon for most women to look like that?

 

[Falseprophet]

Straight male, and am supportive of GLBTQ rights. I can't think of any rational reason to be opposed to them. Any argument that gay rights opponents bring up seems to fall into three categories: i) one that involves straight people too and has already been accepted by society, ii) one based solely on religious grounds (automatic fail for me), and iii) one based solely on personal discomfort with non-hetero sex, where my response is, you don't have to like it, but your discomfort is not a basis to deny other people essential freedoms.

Anyway, yeah, gay rights FTW. But I don't even think marriage should be a civil institution so no I don't stand for gay marriage because I don't stand for marriage sanctioned by the government. Marriage has been turned from a mutually binding agreement between two(or more?) people to an agreement between that couple and the government. So yeah.

I have a slightly different take on this: marriage was never a mutually binding agreement just between two people--someone else was always involved, whether the state, religious institutions, or the families. Even in modern, egalitarian, developed societies, long-term relationships involve at least one of the following important things: money, property and children. When relationships fail, as many of them do, there has to be some system in place to deal with what happens to those things.

I'd prefer to see the state get out of the "marriage" business, and offer civil unions to both straight and gay couples. If the couple wants to call it a "marriage", they can, but the term would have no legal definition, just a social/cultural one. If they want to get recognized by their church, they can do that too, but unless they also get a civil union from the state, it has no legal weight.

This way:

i) Money, Property and Children are seen too when relationships break down
ii) The state doesn't make moral judgments on the definition of "marriage"
iii) Churches who don't want to marry gays don't have to; churches that want to marry gays can do so.

 

[comet5002]

In case no one got the real meaning of my last post, I'm not for OR against gays. I couldn't care less, actually.

What I AM against is gay males who persist in wearing clothing made for girls and talking with that BLOODY ANNOYING gay accent and swinging their hips and then getting all up in your grill for staring at them awkwardly.

See Kurt from Glee for an example.

THOSE types make me want to punch kittens, because they're basically saying "Yeah, I'm gay, what are YOU going to do about it?" which goes along with what I was saying earlier.

That is all.

It's possible that at least some of these people have gender identity disorder, that is that while their body is male their brain identifies as female, in which case they may not be trying to, for lack of a better phrase, throw their gayness at you, but are instead doing what comes naturaly to them.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but then they need to man up and accept the fact that they're in whatever gender body they were born with, and that is how they'll remain unless they have enough money to have a transgenderal surgery. Crying about the fact that you weren't born a girl isn't going to change anything.

 

[Andrew Bohan]

I'm strongly against gay acts because they go against Jesus.

I don't hate gays. I love them - just the same as I love any other person. However, I am against gay acts, such as marriage.

You forgot The Village People

In the navy, yes you can sail the seven seas...

 

[comet5002]

Because it's not unnatural for most girls to wear what is considered "boy clothes". Even though they are trying to say "Hey I'm a lesbian so what" which infuriates me just as much, it's not as noticeable, whereas a male wearing mascara and eyeliner and a too tight pink wifebeater with skinny jeans is.

So is your problem with Overly-femine gay men being that they are to different to what would "normally" happen in society but with Butch, tomboy lesbians it is not so uncommon for most women to look like that?

Basically.

It'd be hypocritical of me to say it doesn't bother me at all, it does. Just not as much.