Geek Girls Lambast Prejudice in Music Video

[Jenvas1306]

I play lots of games with my usual group, but we add in friends of friends very often. I kinda end up being the only girl very often and our warframe clan seems to see that as a rarity aswell. does that mean I ever had to prove that im a geek or nerd?
nope, not a single time. probably also because i dont make a thing of it. girls play games and thats it. its no more special than guys playing games.
I have also not encountered a game that I couldnt play cause of my gender...(just a bunch I do not want to play)

I dont really care for fake geeks. people thing 'gangsters' are cool and try to be that. some people fake a british accent to sound more distinguished. today being nerdy has got some flair that some people like (that cute nerd girl thing) and some folks fake that.
just accept that some people only take on stuff that they think is cool instead of going for their own interessts (if they are interessted in attaching to other groups... thats weird in itself).

Who cares if people fake being nerds or geeks, it doesnt damage real nerds and geeks in the least.
like is there some room full of nerd gold around that they try to get into? what are some folks so affraid to lose because of 'fake' nerds?

 

[Grahav]

Lesson, jerks will be jerks regardless of social group, skin color, gender, sexuality, etc:

Spoiler

Still, when I was young the typical geek was hard to find here in Brazil (still is). Girl geeks were either ultra rare or very well hidden.

 

[bjj hero]

Except its not. Its like if i walked around calling my self a heart surgeon because i spent an afternoon on wikipedia looking up heart surgery. Or me telling you that i'm a formula one racer, when in truth i don't even have a learners permit.

Heck if i pretended to be a thing based on what i've looked up on wikipedia, i'd be a well hung billionaire, astronaut, superhero, super spy, ninja, race car driver, astro mechanic, brown coat, jedi.... But i'm not.

Because someone who looks something up on wikipedia doesn't suddenly become either an expert or a fanatic & thats what geekdom is. Its not just knowing a thing, its being lovingly obsessive about it. Geekdom is not a state of passing awareness, its a state of excellence, a state of blissful self obsession.

Thats the problem with information for this generation: Its so easily accessible, that people mistake having read a wiki page for the same thing as experience & expertise.

Thats a poor argument. Im a heart surgeon after years f training when im paid to operate on heart patients. Easy.

But geek? Really? Its such a broard term. I play a nieche GW board game, like super hero films, have read the odd graphic novel and play (strictly none mmo) video games. Ive also never had any issues with girls or partying. Am athletic and like sport. Does this make me a geek?

It doesnt matter because im not insecure. I dont have to out geek anyone else or prove my cred. We all have interests and if i have a passing interest in a sub culture it doesnt matter if im not as hardcore as the next person unless you are a tool.

Thats why labelling someone a fake gamer girl is the mark of an insecure elitist tool.

Put it anotherway. I train mma 3 times week and have been training for the past 15 years. I wouldnt say someones not a martial artist or into mma because they train once a week and are over weight... because im not an insecure elitist tool.

People get to hung up on labels and there is no need. Enjoy your thing and dont mind what other people do unleww theyre skinning live kittens.

 

[Harry Mason]

Did someone trick you? That means you're stupid and you need to improve yourself, not that you need to start a witch hunt.

I've responded already in other posts to much of what you said here, but I wanted to quote this part specifically. This is exactly the victim blaming mentality that would not fly under any other circumstance. It is exactly the sort of thing that would take someone who has already been tricked and manipulated and do nothing at all to convince them that taking it out on every other gamer girl is wrong. Would you tell a woman who got abused in a time of emotional weakness that she was stupid and needed to improve herself?

Comparing a woman being abused to someone getting butthurt over thinking someone is geeky who isn't is psychotic.

I know that sentence sounds harsh, but examining the words without context is supremely silly. This is not rape mentality.

This is more akin to someone clicking on a "MEET SINGLE HOTTIES NOW!" link on a website and then flying into a rage when it asks for their credit card number. This doesn't mean it's time to point and laugh at them, lord no, but it's learning time for them, and continuing to click on the link or villainizing every link on the internet is something that shouldn't be payed any heed or encouraged in any way.

Sometimes people do stupid things and have stupid opinions. It's both Ok, and a chance for them to improve themselves. Nothing more.

And this isn't excusing people who set out with the express purpose of deceiving someone else. They are buttholes and should be treated as such. But this just isn't the case with the fake geek girl phenomenon. None of these chicks are setting out with the express purpose of deceiving any boys. These angry dudes are deceiving themselves. It's time for them to get a clue.

 

[EeveeElectro]

The term "geek girl" makes me cringe so much.

I absolutely love what this video stands for, but they're going about it the wrong way.
If they have nothing to prove, why are they making a video? If you're a geek at heart you don't need to hold up signs saying that you are because just talking to them will be proof enough.
If someone calls you a fake geek girl even after you've proved you have an interest in things that are considered nerdy, they're a prick.

I do seem to find the beautiful, more attractive women get accused of being fake a LOT more. Like people can't grasp the concept that good looking women can have an array of hobbies. Perhaps that is why I've never been accused of being fake, I don't have model-like beauty that makes people think you're lying. Those girls just typically pose with controllers over their boobs and licking PSPs then get a job where they look dead behind the eyes while they read something off a script to gamers.

Some guys have been surprised when I start talking about games or such but I don't take offence from it. Why should I? Even the most open minded people will get taken aback when they get to know someone better. Most people have been taught gender roles since childhood and it's hard to completely diminish those kind of thoughts.

If someone ever did accuse me of being fake, I'd think fuck sod (whoops, wrong use of word) them. I might not be into Superman as much as Batman, I might prefer Trek to Wars and I'd rather play an RPG than COD but not everyone's idea of geeky will match up.

If someone goes around accusing others of being fake because they dare show an interest in what they like, are they worth the time of the day? They seem to have some unsettled issues going on IMO.

 

[Gorrath]

Did someone trick you? That means you're stupid and you need to improve yourself, not that you need to start a witch hunt.

I've responded already in other posts to much of what you said here, but I wanted to quote this part specifically. This is exactly the victim blaming mentality that would not fly under any other circumstance. It is exactly the sort of thing that would take someone who has already been tricked and manipulated and do nothing at all to convince them that taking it out on every other gamer girl is wrong. Would you tell a woman who got abused in a time of emotional weakness that she was stupid and needed to improve herself?

Comparing a woman being abused to someone getting butthurt over thinking someone is geeky who isn't is psychotic.

I know that sentence sounds harsh, but examining the words without context is supremely silly. This is not rape mentality.

This is more akin to someone clicking on a "MEET SINGLE HOTTIES NOW!" link on a website and then flying into a rage when it asks for their credit card number. This doesn't mean it's time to point and laugh at them, lord no, but it's learning time for them, and continuing to click on the link or villainizing every link on the internet is something that shouldn't be payed any heed or encouraged in any way.

Sometimes people do stupid things and have stupid opinions. It's both Ok, and a chance for them to improve themselves. Nothing more.

And this isn't excusing people who set out with the express purpose of deceiving someone else. They are buttholes and should be treated as such. But this just isn't the case with the fake geek girl phenomenon. None of these chicks are setting out with the express purpose of deceiving any boys. These angry dudes are deceiving themselves. It's time for them to get a clue.

Well all I can say to that is that I've already told an anecdote where a friend of mine fell victim to exactly what you're saying does not happen. Some of them do set out with the express purpose of deceit for gain in mind and blaming the guy who falls victim to it isn't a good thing to do. I've posted the example in this thread already, but it bares repeating. If a man attended functions of a primarily female dominated hobby with the specific intent to seek out and abuse emotionally vulnerable women, I don't think we'd be calling the women he took advantage of 'stupid' nor would we be blaming her so viciously for her future mistrust of other men who might attend such functions. While this is no more common in female dominated hobbies as it is male ones (and geekdom is less and less male dominated)it is something that happens and the ramifications of it are bad.

 

[Tono Makt]

I'm pretty confident in my assertion of how jocks generally see women. Sure there are exceptions - me, for example. Though I'm not a positive exception because I didn't give a damn about anyone in high school, male or female. I wanted no ties and I have no ties. (You might argue that I was at least as bad as the jocks who saw women as disposable since I saw what was going on and didn't even try to put a stop to it. I don't think I could reasonably argue against that particular point.)

What you are doing is generalizing based on your personal experiences, which is a component of prejudice. It may even be true that 'most' jocks act in a certain way, but I certainly didn't see it that way. For as many times as I saw 'jocks' manipulating girls, I saw girls doing the exact same thing. We are, all of us, colored by our experiences and so what you saw as the norm for jocks I saw as the norm for high school, except where it wasn't true. I had a friend who juggled girls like crazy and he was part of the 'out' crowd, a gamer and such though 'goth' was his own identifier. I also had a friend who was a quarterback, got his heart broken by a girl who was two-timing him.

So, while your observations are what they are, your generalizations are still not justified. I don't even mean this as a condemnation, just as a point of academics. I would warn that such generalizations can be very harmful though, and, perhaps with some irony, part of the cause of the fake gamer girl problem itself.

Dude... do you see the irony of your own statements here? You're warning ME about my generalizations being harmful while you are pushing an outlier and applying it as a generalization to fake gamer girls? You're talking a pair of predators and applying what they've done to your friend and using it as a way of describing fake gamer girls in general?

I'd say you're doing far more harm than I am, pushing your outlier the way you are.

Except I am in no way saying that all fake gamer girls are predators or using predatory ones as some kind of standard either. There are various shades of this that goes on, from mere teasing for favors to out and out lying in relationships. My responses are tuned to the arguments that there are NO fake gamer girls or that fake gamer girls can do NO harm. The context of my responses is very important to interpreting them and at no point did I say that this represented a norm. What I did say in many of my responses is that girls who attend cons and such who don't have a great interest in the material are explicitly not a problem, but just because there are fake gamer girls that are not an issue does not mean that they either don't exist at all or that there is no harm associated with the lying and manipulation that does occur.

If you want to rag on me about my generalizations about jocks, then accept that you're going to get ragged on by your extreme examples of emotional manipulation and predation and how you're tying that into the whole fake gamer girl discussion. And how you're attaching "lying" and "emotional manipulation" - two staunchly negative concepts - to the fake gamer girls in the discussion, even if you do try to play it off as starting from what you may see as a fairly benign end of the spectrum. As referenced below:

...from mere teasing for favors to out and out lying in relationships...

What exactly are the "favours" and what exactly is the "mere teasing"? I'm hoping you aren't saying that the shy 18yr old dressed up as Rikku is "merely teasing" people by dressing up as Rikku, and that the "favours" she's teasing out are the appreciative looks of the geeks who appreciate a good looking female form, because that would seriously diminish both the implications of "teasing" and "favours", and could easily be applied to any and all women everywhere who are dressing in any sort of sexy way.

It seems like you're saying that a woman dressing up in a costume to appeal to gamers is a negative thing - it is a form of lying and of emotional manipulation. As if somehow this diminishes the gamers, that it takes something from us.

How, exactly, am I doing harm by rebutting the claim that A) Gamer girls do not exist or B) Lying and manipulation in this form are a problem that helps to feed the larger issue?

Because you've been manipulating this discussion by using an extreme case as an example of the harm that lying and emotional manipulation can cause, then by going back and trying to say it's separate from the issue at hand. You use the example of your friend being victimized by a pair of predators. Then you're trying to use the example of a guy going to knitting circles and the like solely to find lonely women to victimize for sex, and asking how we would feel about that. Another extreme example. In both cases it is the predator taking something tangible (money, gifts) or something intimate and potentially dangerous (sex; pregnancy and STI's being two of the dangers), where the victim is left diminished as a goal of the predator. And you're using those examples in a discussion about fake gamer girls, as if they're actually related to the shy 18yr old who dresses up as Rikku so she can feel sexy for a day, describing much of what that shy 18yr old is doing in negative terms but then trying to come back and say that she's not who you're talking about even though she is a main focus of the debate.

In essence you are claiming to be talking about two phenomena - fake gamer girls and manipulative people preying on weaker people - in the same discussion, then trying to say that they are explicitly different things and should not be connected in any way. You're holding up two women who preyed upon a friend of yours as Exhibit A about the dangers of emotional manipulation and lying, then saying that it exists within the Fake Gamer Girls, but not all fake gamer girls, with very little to differentiate the fake gamer girls you are saying are explicitly not a problem to the ones who are a problem. You're using general terms like "mere teasing" and "favours" then letting them sit out there with the examples of your friend being preyed on financially, and a man hypothetically preying on women sexually, and then standing back and washing your hands of anyone connecting the two.

 

[Tono Makt]

Did someone trick you? That means you're stupid and you need to improve yourself, not that you need to start a witch hunt.

I've responded already in other posts to much of what you said here, but I wanted to quote this part specifically. This is exactly the victim blaming mentality that would not fly under any other circumstance. It is exactly the sort of thing that would take someone who has already been tricked and manipulated and do nothing at all to convince them that taking it out on every other gamer girl is wrong. Would you tell a woman who got abused in a time of emotional weakness that she was stupid and needed to improve herself?

Comparing a woman being abused to someone getting butthurt over thinking someone is geeky who isn't is psychotic.

I know that sentence sounds harsh, but examining the words without context is supremely silly. This is not rape mentality.

This is more akin to someone clicking on a "MEET SINGLE HOTTIES NOW!" link on a website and then flying into a rage when it asks for their credit card number. This doesn't mean it's time to point and laugh at them, lord no, but it's learning time for them, and continuing to click on the link or villainizing every link on the internet is something that shouldn't be payed any heed or encouraged in any way.

Sometimes people do stupid things and have stupid opinions. It's both Ok, and a chance for them to improve themselves. Nothing more.

And this isn't excusing people who set out with the express purpose of deceiving someone else. They are buttholes and should be treated as such. But this just isn't the case with the fake geek girl phenomenon. None of these chicks are setting out with the express purpose of deceiving any boys. These angry dudes are deceiving themselves. It's time for them to get a clue.

Well all I can say to that is that I've already told an anecdote where a friend of mine fell victim to exactly what you're saying does not happen. Some of them do set out with the express purpose of deceit for gain in mind and blaming the guy who falls victim to it isn't a good thing to do. I've posted the example in this thread already, but it bares repeating. If a man attended functions of a primarily female dominated hobby with the specific intent to seek out and abuse emotionally vulnerable women, I don't think we'd be calling the women he took advantage of 'stupid' nor would we be blaming her so viciously for her future mistrust of other men who might attend such functions. While this is no more common in female dominated hobbies as it is male ones (and geekdom is less and less male dominated)it is something that happens and the ramifications of it are bad.

And here is where you start to equate ALL fake gamer girls to the predators which victimized your friend, and start to make comparisons between fake gamer girls and sexual predators - perhaps even rapists, as you say "to seek out and abuse emotionally vulnerable women", which isn't a long stretch from "rape".

 

[stonemaskstoryteller]

Trying to root out "fake geek girls" is a waste of time. more often than not you're doing more harm than good by wrongfully blaming people for not being "passionate" enough...as if we need to all be on 'terrorist-level-loyalty' to win the badge of geekness.

If someone is pretending to like something just to look popular, or to seek approval in others...that's their own insecurity they have to deal with. Don't waste your time trying to pick them out and put them on trial. If anything, indulge them. if they have genuine interest in talking about comics, games and all things geeky, they'll want to know more! great!
If they don't want to know more, then they'll stop talking. great!

 

[Slash2x]

I do not have a problem with fake geek girls.... I have a problem with fake geeks. SURPRISE they come in both genders!!!!!!!

I remember people getting the crap kicked out of them for being geeks.... What memo did I miss that said we are the dominate subculture all the sudden, and ANYONE should try to fake their way in?

 

[Gorrath]

I'm pretty confident in my assertion of how jocks generally see women. Sure there are exceptions - me, for example. Though I'm not a positive exception because I didn't give a damn about anyone in high school, male or female. I wanted no ties and I have no ties. (You might argue that I was at least as bad as the jocks who saw women as disposable since I saw what was going on and didn't even try to put a stop to it. I don't think I could reasonably argue against that particular point.)

What you are doing is generalizing based on your personal experiences, which is a component of prejudice. It may even be true that 'most' jocks act in a certain way, but I certainly didn't see it that way. For as many times as I saw 'jocks' manipulating girls, I saw girls doing the exact same thing. We are, all of us, colored by our experiences and so what you saw as the norm for jocks I saw as the norm for high school, except where it wasn't true. I had a friend who juggled girls like crazy and he was part of the 'out' crowd, a gamer and such though 'goth' was his own identifier. I also had a friend who was a quarterback, got his heart broken by a girl who was two-timing him.

So, while your observations are what they are, your generalizations are still not justified. I don't even mean this as a condemnation, just as a point of academics. I would warn that such generalizations can be very harmful though, and, perhaps with some irony, part of the cause of the fake gamer girl problem itself.

Dude... do you see the irony of your own statements here? You're warning ME about my generalizations being harmful while you are pushing an outlier and applying it as a generalization to fake gamer girls? You're talking a pair of predators and applying what they've done to your friend and using it as a way of describing fake gamer girls in general?

I'd say you're doing far more harm than I am, pushing your outlier the way you are.

Except I am in no way saying that all fake gamer girls are predators or using predatory ones as some kind of standard either. There are various shades of this that goes on, from mere teasing for favors to out and out lying in relationships. My responses are tuned to the arguments that there are NO fake gamer girls or that fake gamer girls can do NO harm. The context of my responses is very important to interpreting them and at no point did I say that this represented a norm. What I did say in many of my responses is that girls who attend cons and such who don't have a great interest in the material are explicitly not a problem, but just because there are fake gamer girls that are not an issue does not mean that they either don't exist at all or that there is no harm associated with the lying and manipulation that does occur.

If you want to rag on me about my generalizations about jocks, then accept that you're going to get ragged on by your extreme examples of emotional manipulation and predation and how you're tying that into the whole fake gamer girl discussion. And how you're attaching "lying" and "emotional manipulation" - two staunchly negative concepts - to the fake gamer girls in the discussion, even if you do try to play it off as starting from what you may see as a fairly benign end of the spectrum. As referenced below:

...from mere teasing for favors to out and out lying in relationships...

What exactly are the "favours" and what exactly is the "mere teasing"? I'm hoping you aren't saying that the shy 18yr old dressed up as Rikku is "merely teasing" people by dressing up as Rikku, and that the "favours" she's teasing out are the appreciative looks of the geeks who appreciate a good looking female form, because that would seriously diminish both the implications of "teasing" and "favours", and could easily be applied to any and all women everywhere who are dressing in any sort of sexy way.

It seems like you're saying that a woman dressing up in a costume to appeal to gamers is a negative thing - it is a form of lying and of emotional manipulation. As if somehow this diminishes the gamers, that it takes something from us.

How, exactly, am I doing harm by rebutting the claim that A) Gamer girls do not exist or B) Lying and manipulation in this form are a problem that helps to feed the larger issue?

Because you've been manipulating this discussion by using an extreme case as an example of the harm that lying and emotional manipulation can cause, then by going back and trying to say it's separate from the issue at hand. You use the example of your friend being victimized by a pair of predators. Then you're trying to use the example of a guy going to knitting circles and the like solely to find lonely women to victimize for sex, and asking how we would feel about that. Another extreme example. In both cases it is the predator taking something tangible (money, gifts) or something intimate and potentially dangerous (sex; pregnancy and STI's being two of the dangers), where the victim is left diminished as a goal of the predator. And you're using those examples in a discussion about fake gamer girls, as if they're actually related to the shy 18yr old who dresses up as Rikku so she can feel sexy for a day, describing much of what that shy 18yr old is doing in negative terms but then trying to come back and say that she's not who you're talking about even though she is a main focus of the debate.

In essence you are claiming to be talking about two phenomena - fake gamer girls and manipulative people preying on weaker people - in the same discussion, then trying to say that they are explicitly different things and should not be connected in any way. You're holding up two women who preyed upon a friend of yours as Exhibit A about the dangers of emotional manipulation and lying, then saying that it exists within the Fake Gamer Girls, but not all fake gamer girls, with very little to differentiate the fake gamer girls you are saying are explicitly not a problem to the ones who are a problem. You're using general terms like "mere teasing" and "favours" then letting them sit out there with the examples of your friend being preyed on financially, and a man hypothetically preying on women sexually, and then standing back and washing your hands of anyone connecting the two.

If you re-read some of my posts, I made the difference quite clear. That girl dressing up how she likes? Not a problem, at all, and anyone saying it is is a problem themselves. That girl who goes to cons because her friends like the stuff but she isn't really into it? Not at all a problem, not in the least, and I've already said that several, several times so please quit saying that I have not made a differentiation. I have and if I need to be more clear about it I will.

As for what 'teasing' for 'favors' constitutes I'm am referencing the not as uncommon act of a girl using her gender to gain benefits from lonely guys, whether that be financial or not. As has already been pointed out in this very thread, twitch is full of this kind of stuff and it is done by more than one gender, but it does happen. The reason I used extreme examples was in response to an extreme claim, that NO fake gamer girls exist or that NO harm can come of the act or practice, both of which are blatantly false as illustrated.

I am not comparing Twitch and saying it is that same as the emotional and financial manipulation that my friend experienced either, but that there is a broad spectrum of manipulation that can occur from relatively minor things to what he experienced. I never said anything about that girl who likes to dress up as Rikku at cons and in fact I specifically stated that this was NOT what I was talking about. I don't know how much more clear I can be than that. The shy 18 yr old in Rikku cosplay has nothing, at all, whatsoever to do with anything I've said.

I also never said that the lying and manipulation of guys like my friend is not connected to the ostricization of girls at cons. In actuality, I made exactly the opposite claim, that the two things are very linked. I've been making that claim from the beginning, so I have no idea where you've gotten this idea that I am claiming they are separate issues. They are not separate issues, that is the point. Part of this ostricization that occurs in social geek centric places stems, in part, from feelings of previous hurt and betrayal some males have felt when dealing with fake gamer girls in their past who have used a mix of pretense about their hobby and emotional manipulation in order to extract benefits from them. In some cases, these feelings of hurt are unjustified or the guy is simply being a dick. In other cases, these feelings of hurt are very justified, but by transposing that emotional baggage onto all girls is still wrong.

 

[Cecilo]

Trying to root out "fake geek girls" is a waste of time. more often than not you're doing more harm than good by wrongfully blaming people for not being "passionate" enough...as if we need to all be on 'terrorist-level-loyalty' to win the badge of geekness.

If someone is pretending to like something just to look popular, or to seek approval in others...that's their own insecurity they have to deal with. Don't waste your time trying to pick them out and put them on trial. If anything, indulge them. if they have genuine interest in talking about comics, games and all things geeky, they'll want to know more! great!
If they don't want to know more, then they'll stop talking. great!

For the most part however, we AREN'T seeking them out. They make themselves apparent. They are the people who go into a game and immediately proclaim they are women, expecting special treatment. For the most part men aren't going to go out of their way to find girl gamers in a game. When I join a server or see other people join a server, no one asks "Okay. Who here is a guy and who is a girl".

And if you DO meet someone that does that, then please don't indulge them because they are looking for attention too.

I think this sums it up well enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44AmqL5tWCM

There is also another video from the same channel, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSOD6EsEUs, this one however sums up how some of the "Geek" Crowd reacts to women, when they have little to no interaction with them either due to low confidence, fear of being shot down.

You would be kind of hard pressed to find someone that wants to remove someone else from gaming, the majority of gamers just want to play their games.

The same kind of people that fall into this crowd are the braggers, the kind of people that lie to make themselves sound more impressive, etc. The majority of us don't care what race, gender or what have you, many of us don't care about your private life. UNLESS of course you are on say a privately hosted server and you have an established community, in which case it is more acceptable to start talking about your life once you have established yourself in that community.

 

[Gorrath]

And here is where you start to equate ALL fake gamer girls to the predators which victimized your friend, and start to make comparisons between fake gamer girls and sexual predators - perhaps even rapists, as you say "to seek out and abuse emotionally vulnerable women", which isn't a long stretch from "rape".

And here is where you claim I am equating all fake girl gamers with predators, despite having on multiple occasions said that they are not all the same. See that word some that I used? It does not mean all, I do not mean it to mean all, I do not want anyone to think the word some means all and why you insist on telling me that when I use the word some, I mean all, I do not understand. Some does not mean all, some means some, an unquantified some because none of us have any statistical backing to do any quantification. All is a quantification, one I am not making at all, in any way, either real or implied.

Also, I've said not one thing about rape anywhere and you are getting closer and closer to cramming words in my mouth, which I do not appreciate at all. I would like to remain perfectly civil and would like to continue this talk with you, but if you continue to insist on misrepresenting my claims, which maybe you don't mean to do, or putting words in my mouth, I am afraid I am going to have to break things off. I have no interest in engaging with that sort of thing. I am sorry if I am misreading your intent, but its seems to be striking closer and closer to that.

 

[Easton Dark]

Uh... I don't think the term 'fake geek girl' means that women can't be geeks. It's about how some would lie about being fans of geeky things to be more popular, right?

So... uh... yeah.

They're lying so they can be more popular......around "geeks and nerds"...?

Sorry, but that statement just really doesn't make much sense at all.

Well, there's lots of us now. Like, millions to billions. And our stuff is getting into the mainstream. It's pretty tempting to be popular to even just a few people, let alone the thousands you could meet at something like comicon.

Yes, but that it doesn't exist for men, too, is why it's worrying. Or is there "fake geek men" we have to watch out for, too? And if there are - why don't people gun for them, too? It's probably cos most of the people shouting out against "fake geek girls" are insecure little straight fellas, eh.

I agree. And there sure are fake geek boys*, but no geek guys want to fuck them and make them their waifu.

 

[RJ 17]

Uh... I don't think the term 'fake geek girl' means that women can't be geeks. It's about how some would lie about being fans of geeky things to be more popular, right?

So... uh... yeah.

They're lying so they can be more popular......around "geeks and nerds"...?

Sorry, but that statement just really doesn't make much sense at all.

Well, there's lots of us now. Like, millions to billions. And our stuff is getting into the mainstream. It's pretty tempting to be popular to even just a few people, let alone the thousands you could meet at something like comicon.

Which is...kinda what the rest of my post that you snipped out was about....

 

[Easton Dark]

Which is...kinda what the rest of my post that you snipped out was about....

Eh? You started talking about booth babes. I 'aint talkin' 'bout no booth babes.

I don't think they should be faulted one bit. Like you said, it's their job. I work at a library, and I don't read any books. I don't feel like I'm living a lie.

 

[DarkRyter]

It took me awhile to figure out that the music video itself was lambasting prejudice.

I kept thinking that the music video was itself prejudiced and that geek girls were complaining about it somehow.

 

[Starik20X6]

"Fake Geek Girl Concept Destroyed by Music Video"

/facepalm.

No its not. All you've done is demonstrated that these particular women have some claim to geekdom. You've not demonstrated that fake geek girls don't exist, you've only demonstrated that real geek girls exist.

That's like creationist proving creationism, by trying to disprove evolution. Disproving one positive assertion is not evidence for a competing positive assertion.

The argument isn't that real geek girls don't exist, its that there are girls out there who are faking being geeks: The basics of logic folks. An again i am disappointed in the obvious bias shown by Escapist writers.

In hindsight, I agree that "destroyed" is too strong a wording. I tweaked it to be a bit more subtle.

Except now I read the headline to mean that the music video in question was the thing being prejudiced, and that geek girls were getting rightly pissed. Good to see that's not the case though!

 

[ensouls]

I like the video (also the tiny ginger child was extremely adorable).

It seems like there are two separate issues here that people are confounding, and just picking whichever one appeals most to them.

A) The assumption that no girl can be interested/competent at 'geeky' things. Thankfully I suspect this one is on its way out.
Ex: Some otherwise friendly idiot at a used game store asked if I like to play games, "because I know some girls just like to watch other people play."

B) The cynical commercialism of the shill: people pretending to be something they aren't, or interested in something they don't care about, in order to gain attention or make a profit. Often paired with sex appeal, especially if it's for attention.
Ex: Arugably, a lot of the whole 'hired booth babes' strategy falls here. It's their job to look sexy in whatever costume is handed to them to attract an audience, which theoretically shouldn't be the sole draw of non-porn subject matter.

 

[Sir. Jasper Colinwell]

We're dumbfounded to tell you how the concept came to be, but somehow a bunch of people under the nerd umbrella decided that one of the pre-requisites for liking geeky things was the possession of a dangly bit between your legs.

If you're dumbfounded as to how the concept came to be, then don't take a wild (and completely wrong) guess at how the concept came to be. Really.

The whole anger against "fake geek girls" started when overly beautiful/makeup-wearing video blogging females who got most of their views thanks to what they put on display (often reffered to as "cam whores") started putting on glasses and claiming to be geeks. They brag about how much they own at CoD/Halo even though they've never even held a fucking controller, throw around technical terms which they have no clue about. All because being a geek has become fashionable over recent years, it's no longer something the cool kids get to shun and sneer at.

That's why females who were genuine geeks started getting hit by criticism, thanks to truly-fake "cam-whore" geek girls who are only doing it to draw attention. Yes it's unfair, yes it's stupid, yes it needs to end, but now you know why it came to be.

Just keep in mind that nothing angers a geek more than someone who pretends to be a geek, or someone who throws around half-baked misinformation claiming to be correct. Gender is largely irrelevant to geek culture, it's more about elitism than anything else.

Why is this such a complicated thing to understand. I concede that Women have been getting shafted and that it needs to end. I concede that the whole debacle is as pointless as it is stupid, but why in the name of Raisin Bran Oatmeal is it so hard to understand the gist of what you said. It's as if everyone(and i hate to say it but a large majority of the Escapist Staff especially) is so quick to pick up thine Sword and Shield and be a White Knight every time this happens that they're starting to forget which Lizard is the TRUE Dragon. Guys it's as simple as this WE DO NOT LIKE ATTENTION WHORES. Be it Male or Female, we don't care wht you have between your legs we only care about legitimate conversations on Geekdom. You know what you're talking about? Then it won't matter what you are, i could be talking about The Romance Of Three Kingdoms with a dog and it would be meaningless as long as he knew more than what he's learned from Dynasty Warriors. Between The Escapists double Witch Hunt on Sexism in Games and Fake Gamer Girls i'm becoming progressively burned out. Every time i stumble upon another Jimquistion calling forth the cry of Anita Sarkessian i start foaming at the mouth. It's gotten so bad in general that mentioning A.S. around the Escapist Forums causes a bigger Nuclear Fallout than freaking Chernobyl!