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Apparently this is why Quidditch wasn't part of Hogwarts Legacy.

Although I never really was a fan of certain part of movie becoming a full game (I.E. Star Wars Pod Racers)
 

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Except for....anyone? Anyone know what went wrong here?
That's right, Nintendo requires a licensing agreement before you're allowed to sell anything based off their IP. You'll pay them either a flat fee or a percentage of sales for each item you sell that uses their IP.
There is literally a page on how to do it: https://www.icsid.org/uncategorized/how-to-get-permission-to-sell-pokemon-licensed-products/

So unfortunately for whatever tracer Stephanie paid to break the copyright...they broke the copyright and Nintendo is well within their rights to sue.

To quote: " You can buy and sell fan art, as long as the copyright holder grants you permission. The sale of fan art is illegal until otherwise. You can sell original anime art however you like, but original anime art doesn’t qualify as fan art. "
Right, yet the real life practice is quite different isn't it? Same with all civil court issues and trademark laws. If you got such a problem with fanart then take it up with Nintendo for allowing communities of artists to make actual livings out of it for decades already, and escapist magazine for promoting them too. But to be honest most ppl don't give a fuck or plain are into it...people like artists. It's legitimately kinda weird for you to be harping on about this petty imagined hypocrisy every time Steph comes up: like pretty much no-one is free from some hypocrisy somewhere, we aren't robots with perfect emotionless dead-eyed self-reprogramming, and there's likely a couple of spicy hypocrisies in Steph's life lurking somewhere if you look hard enough. But this isn't even hypocrisy, Nintendo doesn't care about it, no-one else cares, why do you? Are you a struggling trademark lawyer desperate for work?
 
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Right, yet the real life practice is quite different isn't it? Same with all civil court issues and trademark laws. If you got such a problem with fanart then take it up with Nintendo for allowing communities of artists to make actual livings out of it for decades already, and escapist magazine for promoting them too. But to be honest most ppl don't give a fuck or plain are into it...people like artists. It's legitimately kinda weird for you to be harping on about this petty imagined hypocrisy every time Steph comes up: like pretty much no-one is free from some hypocrisy somewhere, we aren't robots with perfect emotionless dead-eyed self-reprogramming, and there's likely a couple of spicy hypocrisies in Steph's life lurking somewhere if you look hard enough. But this isn't even hypocrisy, Nintendo doesn't care about it, no-one else cares, why do you? Are you a struggling trademark lawyer desperate for work?
It is absolutely hypocrisy. Don't steal from artists and pay them for their work. Now excuse me while I steal from artists and don't pay them for their work.
For someone who is such a moral absolutist like Sterling, it shows a severe lack of self awareness and commitment to the actual cause of supporting artists.
 

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is absolutely hypocrisy. Don't steal from artists and pay them for their work.
Sterling does pay the artist(s) or those that do work to add content to her videos. She even admitted that the artists usually get most of the residuals.

For someone who is such a moral absolutist like Sterling, it shows a severe lack of self awareness and commitment to the actual cause of supporting artists
Look, Sterling ain't perfect and there's plenty I disagree with her on, but you go way too far on making her sound worse than she is. I've noticed recently and last year, that whenever Sterling has a point, you either somewhat ignore it, or hyper focus on something else. Like I said before, you might as well get mad at everyone who's been doing artwork or fan art of fictional characters and making money off of, without getting permission from the big game developers, TV studios, or movies. These things have been going on for decades, and I don't know why you've been putting your foot down now all the sudden. You can whine about all you want, but not much is going to change. If you have a problem with Sterling that much, I suggest you just stop watching her then.
 
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Sterling does pay his artist or those that do work to add content to her videos. She even admitted that the artists usually get most of the residuals.
But its not their art. Its Nintendo's art. Someone at Nintendo designed these Pokemon. They're the artist who Sterling should be paying for their work. Someone else just doing fan art of that artists work doesn't make it original art.

And Sterling's work has gotten progressively lazier. They used to do really cutting work. Recently its just been uninspired and shallow "hot takes" on much more complicated issues.
 

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But its not their art. Its Nintendo's art. Someone at Nintendo designed these Pokemon. They're the artist who Sterling should be paying for their work. Someone else just doing fan art of that artists work doesn't make it original art.
So? It still wasn't officially from Nintendo, it was done by a fan. Now said fan artist gets paid for the work.


And Sterling's work has gotten progressively lazier. They used to do really cutting work. Recently its just been uninspired and shallow "hot takes" on much more complicated issues.
Highly debatable. Sterling work is still good, but not as long as usual videos, because they're busy with their wrestling career and other things. Their FFXVI video have some weak points, but not enough to get me upset.
 
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So? It still wasn't officially from Nintendo, it was done by a fan. Now said fan artist gets paid for the work.
Okay I will quote again from the International Centre for settlement of Investment Disputes:
"You can buy and sell fan art, as long as the copyright holder grants you permission. The sale of fan art is illegal until otherwise. You can sell original anime art however you like, but original anime art doesn’t qualify as fan art."
This is specifically in regards to Pokemon and Nintendo. Very specifically. Its from the page titled "How to get permission to sell Pokemon products"

You can't sell other people's products under the guise of being a fan art. And the argument that others do it and don't get in trouble is a very bad justification for committing copyright violations.

As to Sterling, I totally get they have a lot on their plate. Good for them. Truly. I'm glad they haven't gotten hurt wrestling, as that was a big concern of mine when they announced. But videos say "Don't steal from artists and pay them for their work. Unless I do it, then its okay." is very intellectually lazy. It reminds me of that concept in the abortion debate, "The only moral abortion is mine" where the person gives themselves permission to ignore their own rules, because hey, its a special case.
 

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Okay I will quote again from the International Centre for settlement of Investment Disputes:
"You can buy and sell fan art, as long as the copyright holder grants you permission. The sale of fan art is illegal until otherwise. You can sell original anime art however you like, but original anime art doesn’t qualify as fan art."
This is specifically in regards to Pokemon and Nintendo. Very specifically. Its from the page titled "How to get permission to sell Pokemon products"
I heard and got you the first time. Once again, I'm not saying you don't have a point, but I'm saying so many people have done this and if Nintendo saw that big of issue a lot of people would have been sued or shut down by now. That's all I'm saying.

You can't sell other people's products under the guise of being a fan art. And the argument that others do it and don't get in trouble is a very bad justification for committing copyright violations.
Once again, I'm not exactly justifying it, but a Nintendo and most other companies are going to sit on their asses and do nothing for decades on end, then that tells you something. The artist at work for Nintendo already got their residuals anyway (most of the time). They ain't going to miss much, unless Sterling and others are personally hacking into their banking accounts.
But videos say "Don't steal from artists and pay them for their work. Unless I do it, then its okay." is very intellectually lazy.
Once again, he pays the fan artists and gives them the proper residuals. So he didn't steal from them. As a nintendo, already made my statement on that.


The only moral abortion is mine" where the person gives themselves permission to ignore their own rules, because hey, its a special case.
And those jackasses are far worse than whatever the people making merch off of their fan products or whatever Sterling's doing. Look, I don't see this as big as a deal, because most of these corporations don't see it as big as a deal. If they did, everybody would have been brought to court a long time ago. If you want to decide to do that, go ahead and be my guest.
 
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I remember when Movie games were the worst games on the market. I remember mocking and scoffing everytime I would see a pointless movie tie-in pile of shit on the store shelf.
TBH, there were coouple of decent ones; HP Chamber of Secrets, LOTR: Return of the King, Enter the Matrix, Spiderman 2, Scott Pilgrim, Golden Eye 007, etc

But you are right, almost all movie games were mediocre if not total shit, except for the few great ones.
 

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TBH, there were coouple of decent ones; HP Chamber of Secrets, LOTR: Return of the King, Enter the Matrix, Spiderman 2, Scott Pilgrim, Golden Eye 007, etc

But you are right, almost all movie games were mediocre if not total shit, except for the few great ones.
Rare games that were the exception to the rule. For every good movie game, there were dozen's of Shrek 3's and Bee Movie games.
 

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I remember when Movie games were the worst games on the market. I remember mocking and scoffing everytime I would see a pointless movie tie-in pile of shit on the store shelf.
Agreed. I rarely ever touched a movie licensed game, unless I heard good word of mouth, or seen it for myself. Here's hoping we don't get another rabble rousing clones of Arkham combat (if it's Dare Devil, I'll make an exception), or ones that go too far in copying Nu-GodofWar.

TBH, there were coouple of decent ones; HP Chamber of Secrets, LOTR: Return of the King, Enter the Matrix, Spiderman 2, Scott Pilgrim, Golden Eye 007, etc

But you are right, almost all movie games were mediocre if not total shit, except for the few great ones.
Only 5% of licensed games have been decent or good. The rest are 95% trash.

Rare games that were the exception to the rule. For every good movie game, there were dozen's of Shrek 3's and Bee Movie games.
That Jet-Li game could have been so much better...
 

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TBH, there were coouple of decent ones; HP Chamber of Secrets, LOTR: Return of the King, Enter the Matrix, Spiderman 2, Scott Pilgrim, Golden Eye 007, etc

But you are right, almost all movie games were mediocre if not total shit, except for the few great ones.
Wait, "Enter the Matrix" was decent?

...you're a brave man.
 

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Wait, "Enter the Matrix" was decent?

...you're a brave man.
Well okay, ETM wasnt that great, but I personally thought it was in that grey area between decent and mediocre; Good enough for me to finish and even go for the secret route. And then do it again as the other character

Still better than Street Fighter the movie the game, or…. *gulp* Star Wars Episode 2 the game on gba
 
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