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I'm not sure if having this an alternate starting option/prologue thing is gonna make the lore more or less confusing for new people
 
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HFW is supposedly a good game, but I'm put off by the idea of throwing arrows at giant robots. It doesn't "feel right", like it's a thing they could easily be armored against.
I saw the trailer for the original and was immediately intrigued, "that's a pretty cool looking protagonist, dreaded tribal hunter type woman, open world... I'm interested in this... PlayStation... Shit, well I hope it does well enough to get a PC port... you fight robot dinosaurs..."

And then I instantly I stopped caring. Maybe not completely, I care enough to wish it had a premise/theme that didn't put me off it, but it's just something that my brain won't accept.
 
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HFW is supposedly a good game, but I'm put off by the idea of throwing arrows at giant robots. It doesn't "feel right", like it's a thing they could easily be armored against.
Well, when you see 'm, the bows don't really look like bows, they look more like car parts fashioned into a bow with a steel wire for string. This whole thing obviously started with the concept 'wouldn't it be cool if tribal woman vs. robot dinosaurs', but the game makes it all feel remarkably genuine and well thought out.

Don't play Forbidden West though, it's a messy pile of exhaustion. Just play the first game, I'm sure it's really cheap by now anyway.
 

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Well, when you see 'm, the bows don't really look like bows, they look more like car parts fashioned into a bow with a steel wire for string. This whole thing obviously started with the concept 'wouldn't it be cool if tribal woman vs. robot dinosaurs', but the game makes it all feel remarkably genuine and well thought out.

Don't play Forbidden West though, it's a messy pile of exhaustion. Just play the first game, I'm sure it's really cheap by now anyway.
Forbidden West is getting an expansion next week and ive been replaying it in prep. I think the exhaustion comes from Aloy's voice actress being absolutely horrible and void of personality in this game. She was so much better in the first game but in this one she sounds tired and uncaring and it makes story moments a slog, especially since everyone around her has so much more life.

Moment to moment gameplay is great and slightly better than the first game thanks to grapple hooking and new weapons. But the main motivation is the story and Aloy is fucking garbage this time around.
 

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Forbidden West is getting an expansion next week and ive been replaying it in prep. I think the exhaustion comes from Aloy's voice actress being absolutely horrible and void of personality in this game. She was so much better in the first game but in this one she sounds tired and uncaring and it makes story moments a slog, especially since everyone around her has so much more life.

Moment to moment gameplay is great and slightly better than the first game thanks to grapple hooking and new weapons. But the main motivation is the story and Aloy is fucking garbage this time around.
Aloy was never great, neither was any other character apart from Nil. The Horizon games fall into that Bioware space where characters awkwardly talk to one another in a stilted manner.

The exhaustion comes from Forbidden West adding new features instead of fixing things from Zero Dawn. Instead of fixing the climbing they just added more climbing. Instead of fixing the weapon/ammo types they just added even more weapons and ammo types, so that now there are 17 variations of just the Hunter's Bow based on strength and ammo types. And that's just the Hunter's Bow. Instead of fixing the melee mechanics they overcomplicated it; those fighting pits are fucking frustrating in how the game demands you combo enemies. And the grapple hook has no momentum and awkwardly stops you in your tracks whenever you activate it.

Some of the new machines also just suck to fight. The fucking kangaroo bots look stupid and are annoying, and the giant snapping turtle bots have undodgable shots that can track you from a hundred yards.

The game also drowns you in optional missions, and for more than half the playtime - which can be 70 hours if you partake in said optional missions - the game gates you from the tropical setting that it marketed itself on. The map is badly, really fucking badly designed, and is made up of 50% desert. And the Tenakth is the most boring warrior tribe that the game wastes most of its time on.
 

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Really? How much is Microsoft paying you Mr. Senator?

I am not surprised in the slightest.

We have another "superheroes are dead" article. It's true, video game movies are the next big thing, but superheroes ain't going that soon. It's called mediocrity fatigue, not superhero fatigue.
 

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We have another "superheroes are dead" article. It's true, video game movies are the next big thing, but superheroes ain't going that soon. It's called mediocrity fatigue, not superhero fatigue.
Weren't people saying this after Morbius? You get one bad entry in the line or one good movie outside the genre and everyone wants to jump on the "X is dead" bandwagon.
 
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Same thing in my book. 😎
I don't know nor remember your feelings on either of these movies, but The Batman did excellent, and Wakanda Forever did great. Invincible is already getting a second and third season. MHA just finished in Japan, but is almost done internationally. Superheroes ain't going anywhere yet.
Weren't people saying this after Morbius? You get one bad entry in the line or one good movie outside the genre and everyone wants to jump on the "X is dead" bandwagon.
Yep.
 
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I don't know nor remember your feelings on either of these movies, but The Batman did excellent, and Wakanda Forever did great. Invincible is it's already getting a second and third season. MHA just finished in Japan, but is almost done internationally. Superheroes ain't going anywhere yet.
As I've said, I think that the peak has passed with the MCU going more geekily niche and multiversey and cosmic and stuff. The iron man wave worked beyond the marvel public because it was a bit grounded, more like james bond or indiana jones (or donner's superman) than like the top10-like everyone-is-a-superhero comics and their shattered universes. The bubble expanded and exploded. It's back to being a geeky thing.

But my point was way more subjective and personal. As a child of french/belgian comics, I just dislike american superheroes, as concepts and as style. So I'm just hah, bleh, baah, of course we're done with that.
 

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As I've said, I think that the peak has passed with the MCU going more geekily niche and multiversey and cosmic and stuff. The iron man wave worked beyond the marvel public because it was a bit grounded, more like james bond or indiana jones (or donner's superman) than like the top10-like everyone-is-a-superhero comics and their shattered universes. The bubble expanded and exploded. It's back to being a geeky thing.
I don't deny that, but just because the peak hit with the MCU, doesn't mean it's over for non DC or Marvel properties. THE MCU's main problems that Disney is distributing the stuff out on the assembly line and expecting to hit that same high a thousand times without much care or effort put into it. Sometimes they get a hit, most of time it's a miss. The exact same problem they're doing with Star Wars.

But my point was way more subjective and personal. As a child of french/belgian comics, I just dislike american superheroes, as concepts and as style. So I'm just hah, bleh, baah, of course we're done with that.
Look, I don't like all superhero things either, and I'm more than willing to try something different, but there's nothing wrong with liking or disliking what yours. With that said, superheroes can always bring positivity in good things, when done right and treat it with proper care and respect. They ain't afraid to get into the dirty details or teach an important life lesson when and especially needed.
 
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I don't deny that, but just because the peak hit with the MCU, doesn't mean it's over for non DC or Marvel properties. THE MCU's main problems that Disney is destroying the stuff out in the assembly line and expecting to hit that same high a thousand times without much care or effort put into it. Sometimes they get a hit, most of time it's a miss. The exact same problem they're doing with Star Wars.
Ah yes, but I don't think anyone goes "it's over" in the absolute sense of no superhero move or series or comics ever appearing ever again. What "is over" is, probably, that huge dominating wave of superhero movies from the last few years. There will always be the occasional one, the MCU will keep making some in (very) relative indifference, and there will be a re-invention, or a reset, and new waves. Actually, I don't even think superhero movies will go back to the pre-MCU calm.

Look, I don't like all superhero things either, and I'm more than willing to try something different, but there's nothing wrong with liking or disliking what yours. With that said, superheroes can always bring positivity in good things, when done right and treat it with proper care and respect. They ain't afraid to get into the dirty details or teach an important life lesson when and especially needed.
Yes, and superhero comics are always interesting to study (I'm always interested in reading wiki summaries or even books about superhero comics), because they form a mythology that reflects society concerns, trends, etc. It's just a style that I cannot appropriate, because too many things in its grammar displeases me, from the superpower itself (the opposite of my favorite comics heroism based on mere will, ingenuiity and good heart), to the boringly hysterical physical violence (people don't stop punching each others for more than half a page, even during expository dialogues), to the stylistic structures (dialogue textwalls during instant actions) and designs (this leni riefenstahl fascination for athletes in body paint spandex). There's some good stories in the occasional graphic novel (most Alan Moore, Azzarello's Joker, etc), some cool gameplay in some games (the Arkham and Telltale are great), and enjoyable movies (the casting and characterizations in the MCU were awesome). But generally, it's not a grammar I'm primed to like.

Same with the anime/manga style. By default I don't like it. But I won't deny the greatness of Miyazaki's classics, Cowboy Bebop, Jin Roh, Death Note, etc. It's just that for me they have to be awesome enough to overcome that slight handicap, instead of riding a quality as in the eyes of manga/anime fans.
 

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Actually, I don't even think superhero movies will go back to the pre-MCU calm.
That's been stated since 2012 with the Avengers. Nothing new there on that end.

Same with the anime/manga style. By default I don't like it. But I won't deny the greatness of Miyazaki's classics, Cowboy Bebop, Jin Roh, Death Note, etc. It's just that for me they have to be awesome enough to overcome that slight handicap, instead of riding a quality as in the eyes of manga/anime fans.
With those examples you brought up, most of them were doing their own thing or have a unique art style. Keep in mind, Cowboy Bebop actually bombed in its own country. It was only till after getting success in the states in other parts of the western world, the Japanese audience decided to even bother taking a second look. Outlaw Star even got it worse, and only Western otaku remember this series. It's to the point that the creator of outlaw star has said that us Westerners know more about the anime than he does. Also, I wouldn't call the art style a slight handicap. Like anything, Sturgeon's Law applies. I admit that I don't watch as much anime as I used to, but I'm at that point I know what works for me and what does it. If it's a typical stuff or cliches have been done to death, I tend to ignore it or drop it. I don't do overly long anime either. I prefer movies, or 26 episode TV series. If a series is 50 episodes and good, I usually check it out. Death Note I saw once and I never wanted to see it again after that. It just doesn't hold up well on a second viewing. Plus I really hate that ending.
 
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