Gentlemen, Is chivalry dead?

[zombiesinc]

My point is this: Can chivalry exist in a society where everyone is to be treated equally? I, for one, have more than once come across a situation where a lady has critisized my behaviour, saying that I think that "women cant take care of themselves." That's just not true! Also, just offering your coat to a freezing woman is more often than not considered weird, and the gentleman offering his jacket has been stared at, like he was doing something wrong.

Pfft, I have never understood that. If I were to open the same door for my girlfriend, she wouldn't criticize me, what... simply because I'm also a female? Honestly, if someone is going to criticize you for being considerate, or using your manners, instead of appreciating the gesture, their loss. They're not worth the effort anyways.

Manners are manners, and if someone doesn't appreciate them, they don't deserve them, simple as that.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

i say political correctness be damned, if i see a lady walking towards a door i am near i will open it, i will also share my umbrella's coverage with any unfortunate gal who happens to be without in the rain. chivalry is not dead within me, as I believe that it's not about equality, but about the quality of character in the man in question.

after all equality works differently than most would like, women have stronger traits in some areas generally than men and men have stronger traits in different areas... by exerting our physical size/strength advantage that we are genetically granted as a show of appreciation and or endearment or just plain kindness should not be put into a questionable light.

/end rant

 

[AwesomeExpress]

There was this one time when I was taking the bus, and this girl was at the stop as well, when the bus came she gestured for myself to enter the bus before her, but of course, I being a gentleman, gestured for her to get on before myself. She rolled her eyes at me and then got on, thankfully. And this is not the first time this girl has done this to me, even though every time (so far) my gentlemanly ways get the better of her every time. God help me but women can be a little off the rocker sometimes.

 

[rockera]

Its the whole question of is it sexist or is it just good manners.

Its good manners, you should be polite to everyone you meet not just women. Remeber Chivalry was between men aswell and I dont mean holding doors for them it ranged from combat to social interactions.

it's a bromance sir

OP: No it's not dead I try to be chivalrous and I'm 14 but I guess it's not sexism if the woman likes it, that came out as a sex joke my bad.

 

[rockera]

Spoiler: It's not just dead, it's UNDEAD

were bringing it back from the grave​

Seriously though, Chivalry these days is just courteous behavior with no preference towards gender. It's not dead, it's just changed.

dude you almost made me wet myself with laughter, I've even seen that cyanide and happiness before. I'm off to change my underwear thanks a lot!

 

[DonMartin]

I suppose chivalry is about politeness. Not only towards women, but among men, too. That's why I hate to see it become something sexist.

Also, women are quite possibly the most beautiful beings on this planet. Of course Im going to be as polite as I can towards something of such wondrous beauty.

And if someone for one or another reason does not like me opening doors and the like, I will either have to remind them that I do this for everyone. And if they think Im being sexist, I'll just have to respect that and give them no special treatment whatsoever. In the good spirit of chivalry, of course.

 

[Maze1125]

There's a simple rule to chivalry. When you're doing something that would stereotypically be called "Gentlemanly" ask yourself this: "Would I be doing the same if the person in question was a man?"

If the answer is yes, you're fine.
If the answer is no, you're being sexist.

I love and respect woman, however I believe them to be above us lowely men,

In other words, you're a complete and total sexist.

Generally chivalry is between a man (AKA the Gentleman) and a lady.
Chivalry between men is...something else.
I don't quite know the right word for it.

That's precisely the point feminists make.

The issue here is that idea that men should be chivalrous towards women. There's no reason for that distinction.

Rather than just opening doors for women, open them for everyone.

If you do a courteous action only because the person in question is female, and wouldn't do it if they were male, then you're being sexist.

 

[Maze1125]

There was this one time when I was taking the bus, and this girl was at the stop as well, when the bus came she gestured for myself to enter the bus before her, but of course, I being a gentleman, gestured for her to get on before myself. She rolled her eyes at me and then got on, thankfully. And this is not the first time this girl has done this to me, even though every time (so far) my gentlemanly ways get the better of her every time. God help me but women can be a little off the rocker sometimes.

So, a woman made a courteous gesture to you and you turned it down just because she was female and you wanted to be a "gentleman"?
Sounds pretty sexist to me.

 

[WolfThomas]

To quote torchwood:
?You expect chivalry and equality??
?I don?t see why they should be mutually exclusive.?

I personally don't think chivalry is dead, however I think many people have a different concept of chivalry, a lot of people think just because they act nicely and "gentlemanly" they deserve the reward a.k.a. the woman. This I disagree with, chivalry should be about being polite, helpful and "gentlemanly" for it's sake alone, if you are rewarded that's fine, but one shouldn't give up if it's thankless/rewardless.

For example tonight I left a nightclub early to walk a female friend back home (I live in the same building). It's a pretty decent walk through some dark streets so I escorted her not out of any ulterior motive or expectation simply because I didn't want her to get accosted by ruffians. She has a boyfriend, but even if she didn't the reason I did it remained the same.

 

[Axzarious]

Its the whole question of is it sexist or is it just good manners.

Its good manners, you should be polite to everyone you meet not just women. Remeber Chivalry was between men aswell and I dont mean holding doors for them it ranged from combat to social interactions.

This. If you are only curteous to females, you are not truly a gentleman. One should treat everybody with respect without favouring another.

 

[Zero_ctrl]

There's a simple rule to chivalry. When you're doing something that would stereotypically be called "Gentlemanly" ask yourself this: "Would I be doing the same if the person in question was a man?"

If the answer is yes, you're fine.
If the answer is no, you're being sexist.

I love and respect woman, however I believe them to be above us lowely men,

In other words, you're a complete and total sexist.

Generally chivalry is between a man (AKA the Gentleman) and a lady.
Chivalry between men is...something else.
I don't quite know the right word for it.

That's precisely the point feminists make.

The issue here is that idea that men should be chivalrous towards women. There's no reason for that distinction.

Rather than just opening doors for women, open them for everyone.

If you do a courteous action only because the person in question is female, and wouldn't do it if they were male, then you're being sexist.

It's not like I hold doors open for just women and punch men in the face.
That's just stupid.
Not all gestures translate the same between genders.
You're using sexist in a completely terrible tone.

It just feels like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
Trolling, even?

 

[Maze1125]

There's a simple rule to chivalry. When you're doing something that would stereotypically be called "Gentlemanly" ask yourself this: "Would I be doing the same if the person in question was a man?"

If the answer is yes, you're fine.
If the answer is no, you're being sexist.

I love and respect woman, however I believe them to be above us lowely men,

In other words, you're a complete and total sexist.

Generally chivalry is between a man (AKA the Gentleman) and a lady.
Chivalry between men is...something else.
I don't quite know the right word for it.

That's precisely the point feminists make.

The issue here is that idea that men should be chivalrous towards women. There's no reason for that distinction.

Rather than just opening doors for women, open them for everyone.

If you do a courteous action only because the person in question is female, and wouldn't do it if they were male, then you're being sexist.

It's not like I hold doors open for just women and punch men in the face.
That's just stupid.
Not all gestures translate the same between genders.
You're using sexist in a completely terrible tone.

It just feels like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
Trolling, even?

How I'm I trolling?

All I'm saying is that if you treat women differently to men, purely on the basis of them being women, that's sexist.

And, further, if you consider chivalry to be the act of being specifically courteous to women, then that act of chivalry is sexist. As a direct consequence of the previous point.

 

[Myster XIII]

Hey duct tape on certain parts, inflatable shirt...I think I could pull off an angry bull dyke.

 

[Legendary Alucard]

NO...

 

[Maze1125]

There's a simple rule to chivalry. When you're doing something that would stereotypically be called "Gentlemanly" ask yourself this: "Would I be doing the same if the person in question was a man?"

If the answer is yes, you're fine.
If the answer is no, you're being sexist.

I love and respect woman, however I believe them to be above us lowely men,

In other words, you're a complete and total sexist.

This is... True. However, if you are basically raised by two older sisters and your mum, well, you end up with unbalanced views.

And however sexist this sounds I just find males more capable to deal with the shit females give them. However I see males handing out a lot more shit, the nature of society calls for sexist males weighted in the direction I am, I mean, think about it. A dude who sleeps with as many chicks as he can? A lad. A chick who sleeps with as many dudes as she can? A slut/whore/*insert derogatory remark here*. I aint saying all females are really weak and need strong protective men, far from it.

I treat all females like I would treat one of my sisters. You know the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty"? In my mind it applies for females. Guys are Guilty until proven Innocent, simply because most of the men on this planet have proved that they are dicks. Plain and simple.

That is precisely the attitude people used to have, in reverse, back before the women's rights movements.

It was sick then, and it's sick now.

There is never a justification for judging an entire group based upon the actions of some, especially as badly as you're doing.

There 3.5 billion male humans on this planet. I bet you haven't even spoken to 0.0001% of them. Yet you're willing to judge them all based on that minute fraction. It's sick.

 

[spartan1077]

Chilvary is dying. Not dead yet but dying. But it also sees what is your viewpoint on chilvary. How chilverous do you need to be to show chivalry? Is just holding a door open chilvarous or do you have to lay down in mud for her to walk over?

EDIT: Treating women diffrent from men is exactly sexist, it's instinct.

 

[Maze1125]

why would I assume that anyone else is different?

Why assume anything at all. Why not give everyone an equal chance and not just judge people based upon the actions that others, who just happen to have the same genitalia, commit?

Yes, it is natural to be prejudiced, it's an effective evolutionary trait.
That doesn't make it right. Or just. Or even reasonable.

If being sexist makes me treat women properly and men in the way that they deserve for the way they treat women, well, then I am proud to be sexist.

And that, again, is exactly what men of the past said about women.
That's is how they many of them justified beating women and refusing them rights.
You are precisely the sort of person you claim you hate.