Gentlemen, Is chivalry dead?

[Blind Sight]

Chivalry is more than just manners, it's specifically oriented towards one gender, and that kind of social inequality really has no place in a society that highly values gender equality.

You're using an old definition, so that's understandable. But modern-day 'gentlemanly' groups like the Art of Manliness focuses on treating everyone in a gentlemanly fashion (yes I love the word gentlemanly, it's just somehow awesome). Just like everything else, the definition has changed with the times.

 

[archvile93]

Chivalry is just disguised chauvanism. I hope it dies.

Nay, young impetuous rogue. It shall outlast your snap judgment. Also, good sir, I would be less than chivalrous were I to ignore the opportunity to educate you in the ways of spelling lexicon that finds it roots in French Language; Observe: not chauvanism, but chauvinism. From the french figure Chauvin.

I really don't care how chauvanism is spelled. Also, read the rest of my post.

 

[Blind Sight]

Read the rest of my post.

Ah, that wasn't there when I posted, my mistake.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

It's at about -7 and bleeding, but I intend to make the Heal check dammit!

 

[the Dept of Science]

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Doesn't matter, mate. They don't know that you also hold doors for men and won't believe you when you tell them. Trust me. Even if you hold the door for a male and female at the same time, she'll assume you're being patronizing to her. Or maybe it's just me. Perhaps if I were attractive it would be sweet instead of patronizing. Who knows?

The other guy that quoted me on saying this said that he had never had anyone say anything of the sort, and I'll admit, neither have I. Although I don't want to speculate to much about why it happens to you and not us, I'm guessing things like "vibe" can be quite important. I tend to make as little a deal out of it as possible, make it look like a perfectly natural thing to do. It could be tonnes of factors, I'm from England and perhaps the women have a different attitude here (most of them are very polite and say "thank you").

 

[blankedboy]

Sadly, yes. It was awesome while it lasted, though.


[sub]I still say 'huzzah' all the time....[/sub]

 

[Pegghead]

It exists in proper tf2 servers these days, if you ask me.

It exists in proper tf2 as well:


Men (for the most part) still hold doors open for women, try to cover the bill when courting, uphold the time-honoured tradition of "Ladies first" and will at least be semi-kinder and more courteous to women than men in real life. Aspects of chivalry still hold steadfast, so while it may not be as great as it once was the noble gentleman is still a thriving species.

 

[SwimmingRock]

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Doesn't matter, mate. They don't know that you also hold doors for men and won't believe you when you tell them. Trust me. Even if you hold the door for a male and female at the same time, she'll assume you're being patronizing to her. Or maybe it's just me. Perhaps if I were attractive it would be sweet instead of patronizing. Who knows?

The other guy that quoted me on saying this said that he had never had anyone say anything of the sort, and I'll admit, neither have I. Although I don't want to speculate to much about why it happens to you and not us, I'm guessing things like "vibe" can be quite important. I tend to make as little a deal out of it as possible, make it look like a perfectly natural thing to do. It could be tonnes of factors, I'm from England and perhaps the women have a different attitude here (most of them are very polite and say "thank you").

Might have a point there. I live in Holland, where emancipation has lead to a generation of women who want to be seen as hardcore, independent badasses rather than ladies, and are quick to get offended by any implication that they may have stereotypically feminine qualities. Could be I'm just living in the wrong country.

As for the 'vibe' bit, maybe it's the fact I generally wear all black? I don't make a big deal out of it either, so it's not like I'm intentionally making it look patronizing.

 

[SimuLord]

Chivalry is dead, killed by the devil of feminism. Although it lives on in a sort of Polish Resistance kind of way among a certain class of girl who wants a real man, not some neutered metrosexual.

 

[a Soviet Pie]

Chivalry isn't dead, it's just taken for granted now a days. Or, in the example you mentioned with the coat, some men think it's wimpy to show emotion. We have a scientific word for them. They are called douche bags.
No, chivalry isn't dead, you just have to look for it. It's hiding under a rug or something.....

 

[Magnesium360]

The traditional gentleman is pretty much gone, but with its passing there is coming a more modern gentleman and a revised concept of chivalry. Certain gentlemanly concepts are now outdated, but you can still practice respect, the finer points of social interaction, etc. Gentleman still exist, but they're currently evolving to a new, modern type of gentleman better suited to the current world.

 

[Ursus Astrorum]

Not dead, no. In short supply, most definitely, but not dead.

Then again, it was likely always in short supply.

 

[George Palmer]

Chivalry is not dead. Unless of course you already have a boyfriend.

 

[MikailCaboose]

It's not dead per se, however it just will have to adapt to become gender-neutral, or it will just end up causing the entire original problem. Though, I just don't see gender equality truly even happening anytime soon anyways.

 

[Death God]

In my school, yes. Quite dead. I try to be chivalrous but people don't appreciate it anymore. I still do it but it's more out of habit now.

 

[Mr Mc Twiggy]

I try my hardest to uphold the values and etiquette of the gentlemen, though i must admit sometimes it seems to others to be an odd way of acting, and not always entirely met with joy and/or understanding...much to my dismay...

 

[sketch_zeppelin]

To qoute, i belive it was Dave Chapelle: "Chivalry is Dead...and women killed it!"

 

[Uncreation]

Erm... i don't think it's quite dead. It is dying though, as far as i can tell. And i for one am not going to cry for that. Nope. I consider myself an equalitarian. I have no problem with acting nice and respectfull to other people, quite the opposite. But i don't agree with acting nicer to someone, based on the sole fact that that person is female.

So, i myself just try to be polite to everyone, not just women in particular. Yes, i will hold the door open for a woman, but i also do it for men, just as much, for example. So, i guess maybe i am against chivalry in the old sense, but i am not against being nice to people. ALL people, regardless of gender. So, in your example, i would ask you, would you also offer your coat to a man if he was cold, or just to a woman? Based on that, i would agree with you or not.
So, i don't want to be a gentleman, i want to be just plain nice.

 

[inflamessoilwork]

I would say not. I am always chivalrous when out with a lady, and they always seem surprised to see it, which is good for me =)

 

[zehydra]

Chivalry is more than just manners, it's specifically oriented towards one gender, and that kind of social inequality really has no place in a society that highly values gender equality.

You're using an old definition, so that's understandable. But modern-day 'gentlemanly' groups like the Art of Manliness focuses on treating everyone in a gentlemanly fashion (yes I love the word gentlemanly, it's just somehow awesome). Just like everything else, the definition has changed with the times.

Then a discussion on whether or not Chivalry is "dead" is impossible, due to ambiguity. Instead of changing the word's meaning, I wish people would just make new words.