Gentlemen, Is chivalry dead?
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I prefer to think not, but evidence I have seen in everyday life draws me to the conclusion that chivalry is dying, if not already dead.
True, humans do love using the same words to mean different things. Hell, I study political science, everything in that field has double or triple meanings. When someone says 'I'm a liberal' I usually say "what kind? Old, new, reform, centralized, non-centralized, socially democratic, left, right, Lockian, Hobbesian, or Millist?" To make things even more confusing, old liberalism is pretty much modern day conservativism. My head hurts.zehydra said:
Still, I assume you use words like awful once and awhile. Awful originally meant to be 'full of awe' and was seen positively, but it changed through time to mean something negative. A lot of the words we use had far different meanings before.
History: Making language fucking confusing for the past ten thousand years.
Well with the way feminism is going on at the moment yes feminism will kill chivalry. I believe a great feminist said something along these lines will get name latter That Feminism should look for equal opportunities and rights for women but should endanger what it is to be a woman. Meaning women in their quest for equality should not emulate men and as such chivalry should be able to exist in a society of equal rights.
As a resident of the great state of Alabama, I can tell you that good manners and the behavior of a gentleman are still much appreciated here.
I don't figure that chivalry is dead. Perhaps living up to the whole traditional kit of ideals all at once is a bit much to handle in this modern, urbane age, but it's still no excuse not to show manners, proper etiquette, and common courtesy. I hold doors open all the time for perfect strangers, and I've yet to get chewed out for doing so. Therefore, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, because that's what I do. If a woman takes an issue with it, well, at least I didn't slam it in her face. Surely that would count for something.
No, of course not. Why, just yesterday I challenged a vile ruffian into a right and proper duel to the death after he scandalously sullied my fair maiden's honor. Our swords clashed fiercely, but by the end of it my noble purposes and my superior breeding and class yielded supreme. I ran the rapscallion through, from belly to the back, and allowed him a most splendid last sight of my victorious face.
After I had slain the rogue, I was forced to lay the back of my hand on my maiden's silky cheek, for she dared to defy my chivalrous purposes and insisted that I had in fact been a brutish trodgolyte for so vanquishing a fellow man. It was for her own benefit, to banish forthwith such defiant humors from her. And while she did fall down sobbing, she will surely see the error of her ways and thank me tomorrow for sternly reminding her that womenfolk are never to believe themselves equal to a right and proper man, such as myself.
I shall now retire to practice the true virtues of the high ideal of chivalry and oppress my peasants with my fellow knights for fun and profit. I bid you farewell.
After I had slain the rogue, I was forced to lay the back of my hand on my maiden's silky cheek, for she dared to defy my chivalrous purposes and insisted that I had in fact been a brutish trodgolyte for so vanquishing a fellow man. It was for her own benefit, to banish forthwith such defiant humors from her. And while she did fall down sobbing, she will surely see the error of her ways and thank me tomorrow for sternly reminding her that womenfolk are never to believe themselves equal to a right and proper man, such as myself.
I shall now retire to practice the true virtues of the high ideal of chivalry and oppress my peasants with my fellow knights for fun and profit. I bid you farewell.
Do you really think I'm so obsessive compulsive that I'm going to type the word in...well, Word before posting it here just to see if I got the spelling right?tommyopera said:You had not posted anything other than the above quote by the time I remarked on it's short-sighted nature. You should care how words are spelled. At least use a spell-check if you don't want to take the time to learnarchvile93 said:
Of course it is dead. In a society where everyone is supposedly equal and women are meant to be men and men are being emasculated, you can not point out the difference, even if it is to do a kind act. Obviously it does not surprise me and other people that rates of depression are also on the increase.
Yup, I follow it along with the Southern Gentlemens Code of 1843. Which is the most chivalris thing a man can do!
No, chivalry's not dead, it's just not noticed as much. Or sometimes it's even just flat out unappreciated.
Next time I come across a super-feminist who says something along the lines of "I can open the door myself!" I'm going to have her open it for me and mention something about signing up for the draft.
...Sorry for the unrelated mini-rant.
Next time I come across a super-feminist who says something along the lines of "I can open the door myself!" I'm going to have her open it for me and mention something about signing up for the draft.
...Sorry for the unrelated mini-rant.
The sad thing is, nowadays, many (not all, so don`t jump at my throat unless the shoe fits) women expect to be treated as equals (a perfectly reasonable demand) while retaining the treatment they were once given when they were considered `fragile` (or whatever the correct adjective is) which is where their point gets hazy.
Being a gentleman entails being polite, however it also entails treating them like they do, in fact, somehow require our help/kindness. The new age way of thinking, on the other hand, insists both sexes are equal. Although this has merit, women can`t expect men to keep treating them with bias due to their sex, only to turn around later and expect equal rights and salaries.
Don`t get me wrong, I`m all for equality. I only suggest equality be maintained wether it is in regards to money, the right to vote or most of all (at least most of all in the given thread) the way people treat you in everyday life.
The only problem with this suggestion is that it would require men to treat women they will never date like they would any other man... Which they won`t... But should.
Essentially, the whole debate would be up to the women of today to decide: Equality (which would include having to hold your own door open *with this I include all courteous treatment* as well as the complete removal of bias in divorces, which is kind of an issue...) or to expect differential treatment, only to highlight the difference between genders, seperating both to the point where gender-roles re-emerge in society, this, no matter how you look at it, would be a bad thing. Because in every society, one role is going to come out as `superior`to another, thus, depending on roles, one sex would become the `superior sex`. The problem with that is, as history has demonstrated clearly through the centuries, in humanity, men tend to take such things to heart, not to mention that most of the world`s more... Idealistic lots, which do technically consist a majority of earth population, would obviously never allow men to become the weaker of both sexes. Leading most of earth to insist upon a `woman`s place` which (because lets face it, people are sheep) would eventually win over countries with a new world view, causing all the progress women have achieved throughout the century to go to waste.
Case in point, chivalry is dead out of necessity, but it is very dead.
Being a gentleman entails being polite, however it also entails treating them like they do, in fact, somehow require our help/kindness. The new age way of thinking, on the other hand, insists both sexes are equal. Although this has merit, women can`t expect men to keep treating them with bias due to their sex, only to turn around later and expect equal rights and salaries.
Don`t get me wrong, I`m all for equality. I only suggest equality be maintained wether it is in regards to money, the right to vote or most of all (at least most of all in the given thread) the way people treat you in everyday life.
The only problem with this suggestion is that it would require men to treat women they will never date like they would any other man... Which they won`t... But should.
Essentially, the whole debate would be up to the women of today to decide: Equality (which would include having to hold your own door open *with this I include all courteous treatment* as well as the complete removal of bias in divorces, which is kind of an issue...) or to expect differential treatment, only to highlight the difference between genders, seperating both to the point where gender-roles re-emerge in society, this, no matter how you look at it, would be a bad thing. Because in every society, one role is going to come out as `superior`to another, thus, depending on roles, one sex would become the `superior sex`. The problem with that is, as history has demonstrated clearly through the centuries, in humanity, men tend to take such things to heart, not to mention that most of the world`s more... Idealistic lots, which do technically consist a majority of earth population, would obviously never allow men to become the weaker of both sexes. Leading most of earth to insist upon a `woman`s place` which (because lets face it, people are sheep) would eventually win over countries with a new world view, causing all the progress women have achieved throughout the century to go to waste.
Case in point, chivalry is dead out of necessity, but it is very dead.
Axolotl said:
Chivalry:The qualities idealized by knighthood, such as bravery, courtesy, honor, and gallantry toward women.
thats what I found when I looked up the words definition, and my microsoft thesaurus seems to back up the definition.
Or am I mistaked?
That's more or less it. However knighthood involved actively maintaining the status quo of Medieval Europe like lordship and serfdom. Knights were not particularly awesome people. They're romanticized soldiers.clockout said:
I treat women like everyone else and wish others would do the same. I also don't get why people are putting the blame of feminism solely on women.
I don't see it as being dead, but more like it's changing with the times.PoisonUnagi said:
[sub]Huzzah, indeed.[/sub]