GeoHot and Sony Settle PS3 Jailbreak Case

[Baresark]

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It certainly beats relying on "The Books of Laws I Made up in My Head and Pulled from out of My Ass," dont it?

I never quoted any laws, made up or otherwise actually. I don't doubt the laws you cited are real, but I do doubt your ability to interpret the language of said laws. First it was unjust enrichment, now it's fraud based on information only you have seen. I don't purport you would definitely lose, but I couldn't see a victory based on what you have said here today either. If anything, it would be fun to watch on Court TV.

 

[Baresark]

What was obvious was that Hotz said he was going to fight Sony all the way and he was going to win. When his begging-ass was soliciting money for his Legal Defense Fund, he never said a word about the possibility that he was ever going to settle with Sony. He said he was going to prevail against Sony and, in so doing, set a legal precedent from which his donators would also benefit. He hasn't made good on that promise. Ergo, he needs to hurry up and return the donations.

You do realize that it was probably his lawyer who decided to settle at the first available opportunity for something utterly trivial like removing an old blog post and not Geohot himself? And that a draw was the closest thing he's ever going to get to that goal if sony is allowed to spout bullshit constantly and nobody calls them out on it?

You're trying to tell me that the client's attorney can make a decision to settle a pending lawsuit independent of his client's position on the matter and without any consultation with or agreement from his client? If that's what in fact happen, then Hotz needs to contact me so I can represent him in a malpractice suit against his attorney.

I'm sure he is trying to say that a persons attorney can strongly suggest that settling is in his best interest, and the client, not having a law degree, might just listen to them.

He might of been "trying" to say that but saying "it was probably his lawyer who decided to settle . . . and not Geohot himself" comes nowhere close to actually saying that.

I can't disagree with your overall assessment of the statement, that's for sure. In a court of law it wouldn't hold up in my favor on that one. Glad life isn't all about courts though, we might all very well be fucked.

 

[JDKJ]

What was obvious was that Hotz said he was going to fight Sony all the way and he was going to win. When his begging-ass was soliciting money for his Legal Defense Fund, he never said a word about the possibility that he was ever going to settle with Sony. He said he was going to prevail against Sony and, in so doing, set a legal precedent from which his donators would also benefit. He hasn't made good on that promise. Ergo, he needs to hurry up and return the donations.

You do realize that it was probably his lawyer who decided to settle at the first available opportunity for something utterly trivial like removing an old blog post and not Geohot himself? And that a draw was the closest thing he's ever going to get to that goal if sony is allowed to spout bullshit constantly and nobody calls them out on it?

I couldn't agree more with this post. Remember when he "fled" the country and ran off to hide in south america? Everyone who previously supported him jumped all over him because Sony filed a motion. People definitely need to learn to objectively read something and get actual information out of it, and not just here-say of one side of the lawsuit.

Hearsay, not here-say. You'll never join the ranks of big, bad-ass, Wall Street attorneys if you can't get simple terms of art right. : P

 

[Xanthious]

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Look there slugger, instead of bellyaching on some internet forum how about you go round up all the people he allegedly defrauded and get that class action suit rolling. What's that? Still impotently bitching on the internet? Yeah that's what I thought . . . . .

 

[Atmos Duality]

As it stands, Sony "wins" whether they "tied" or won.
-They still legally "own" your PS3.
-They got away with blatant fraud

Not that GeoHot's motives weren't questionable (I'm pretty sure his intention was piracy, but that's my speculative opinion); but I would have preferred to get some ground on the demarcation between "Service" and "Product".
Right now, Sony is having our cake and eating it too. There isn't a damn thing to do about it except not do business with them.

As I predicted before, nothing good would come of this case. And nothing good did.

 

[LuckyClover95]

Does anyone else think this guy's pathetic? He's pretending he's some sort of revolutionary, everyones donating money and shit.... pathetic. Sony should have f*cked him over big time.

 

[The Grim Ace]

I was really hoping Sony's way of handling the hardware they sell would finally be challenged in court but, then again, with how trials go these days, we'd probably be playing the Playstation 6 by the time this case would have been out of litigation. Someone soon should try get something like this to court anyways.

 

[JDKJ]

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How about the point at which, when asked if he will ever settle with Sony, he categorically and arrogantly and, as it turns out, falsely states that he will not settle with Sony but on his terms which include that Sony "[restore] OtherOS on all PS3s and apolog[ize] on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it?" I'll bet $1,000,000 that the terms of his settlement with Sony say nothing of the sort.

How about the part where he didn't guarantee this? He said it's what he wanted, which is not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. He said that he would fight for that, but once again, didn't guarantee this. He stated again and again that this was about sending a message, which is the one thing he did guarantee, and I would say, message sent.

Though, I am compelled to agree that there is no way in HELL Sony agreed to what he was asking.

And pray tell, outta curiosity, just what was the "message that he sent?" Because, while I'm sure that you'll disagree with me, on my score card I have Sony winning every round thus far and well ahead of Mr. Hotz on points. That he decided to throw in the towel and not answer the bell makes perfect sense to me. I saw a monumental ass-whupping in his future. So, again, I'm not seeing the "message" sent, unless the message is that if you're stupid enough to think that you and your solo-practitioner attorney can take on a multi-billion dollar corporation like Sony and its high-priced legal guns, you're not so stupid to call it quits before they beat you to a bloody pulp. It that the same message you think was sent?

 

[TheAmazingHobo]

Does anyone else think this guy's pathetic? He's pretending he's some sort of revolutionary, everyones donating money and shit.... pathetic. Sony should have f*cked him over big time.

He´s is kind of a dick
But he´s also about 20 and has already achieved more than most people ever will (and I´m not talking about this hacking bullsh*t).
Dick, yes, pathetic, probably not.

 

[Dana22]

Anonymous got trolololed.

 

[JDKJ]

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Look there slugger, instead of bellyaching on some internet forum how about you go round up all the people he allegedly defrauded and get that class action suit rolling. What's that? Still impotently bitching on the internet? Yeah that's what I thought . . . . .

Look here, Sport, as if I'm really gonna round up a class and sue George Hotz for the few thousand dollars in donations he collected. Please. I'd rather class action Sony on some bullshit claim I invented before I do that. At least there's real money in Sony's pockets. I may not be the sharpest knife in the cutlery cabinet, but even I can tell when the game ain't worth the candle wax.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

Thank god, I was getting really fucking tired of hearing about all this. I was guessing that a settlement would happen, I never really was pulling for any side to win, it would've been rather ugly if either side would've won.

Besides, it was all getting rather silly on both sides. I was gonna start playing Benny Hill music the next time I was reading about more shenanigans happening with that case.

 

[A1]

Sony pushed to the bargaining table? That's not likely because the settlement was actually reached on the 31st of March, before all that Anonymous crap got started.

 

[Lorenzo Linares]

Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.

 

[Plurralbles]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about being able to mod my system at will? I bought a PlayStation3 to play PlayStation3 games.

Well, that settles nothing.
Still, the only possible good thing that could have come of this was that we might get some legal precedent regarding consumer rights, and that remains up in the air. And you know this isn't going to be the last time it comes up.

nope, cases settled out of court absolutely do NOT set any precedent in the American legal system. That's part of why big companies often choose to do it.

you're obviously the only one who doesn't look at a PS3 and think, "dam,n, that was a cheaper buy and more powerful than my computer BY A GOOD 400 DOLLARS... I wish I could use it as one."

 

[Emergent]

Best, and probably the most likely all along, of possible outcomes I think. GeoHot stfu's, Sony gtfo's, and no one has to try to "retrieve the internet" on an idiot Judge's ridiculous orders.

 

[Vrach]

Yay! This means that Sony can continue to treat hardware purchased by their customers as company property! A great day for us all.

And everyone else can treat Sony with the lack of respect they deserve by breaking their ToS and jailbreaking the product anyway. Considering a guy who helped make that happen is not going to be martyred, I'd say it's not a bad (albeit certainly not perfect) result, especially seeing as Sony was never going to change their policy, even if they lost this particular case.

 

[OldAccount]

Good call for GeoHot. As much as the little guy toppling a giant makes for a nice storybook ending Sony would have crushed him and it would have ended up bad for everyone.