Should now be the time for the company to denounce the prequel saga non cannon, and write something compitent? I'd be on board for that. Hell they can remake the original trillogy now for all I care, as long as George doesn't try to muck it up with his new age thinking or whatever it was he does.
George Lucas is "Retiring" From Film
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About fucking time!, and good riddance too!, now we can FINALLY see good Star Wars stories, without ramming a clusterfuck of cardboard characters in shitty CGI all over the screen.
It'd be awesome if somebody remade the godawful first trilogy and write a decent story.
It'd be awesome if somebody remade the godawful first trilogy and write a decent story.
Yeah right, he's probably just trying to create some hype for his new movie. The marketing for it has been a failure since I haven't heard of it.
I can't help but get the feeling that George Lucas missed the point. I think this statement shows he doesn't have a grasp of why people think he was a terrible person for Star Wars. People only started when he started to make needless "special edition" versions of films.WMDogma said:
Greedo shooting first completely alters the dynamic of the scene (and makes the scene make no sense), and betrays Lucas to be completely incapable of writing believable characters.Samus Aaron said:
See, Greedo is a bounty hunter, he's in this for the money (namely the price on Han's head). Him shooting first makes absolutely no sense because as Bobba Fett says in Empire "He's no good to me dead". Secondly, the scene gave us important information about Han's character: He's a guy who is willing to do what it takes to survive, including shooting a guy in the middle of a cantina and leaving the smoking body just sitting there. It gave Han a gritty, dangerous edge.
I'm not even a die-hard fanboy, I can forgive a lot of shit, but bad writing and direction isn't one of them. The new prequels failed on so many fundamental, film school 101, ways that is defies believe. The fact that he then manage to make good movies somehow worse by adding completely unnecessary scenes, is just adding insult to injury.
You're missing the point of the change. Lucas felt that as a hero character in his universe, Han could not be allowed to do something so despicable as to shoot first. It's complete nonsense of course, the guy is a smuggler. He hides and transports illegal goods. By definition, he is a bad guy. The way the scene worked out, it was confusing as to who shot first (subjectively, we all know Han shot first). He changed it to fit his ideal of who Han Solo was, which was complete bullshit because honest guys who are trying to do the right thing don't smuggle goods/slaves/whatever else may be illegal past the authorities.Enkidu88 said:
OT: I'm glad he is stopping. Every change he has personally made to the Star Wars Universe since it's inception has been ruinous. He also worked very hard to alienate one of the best Star Wars authors out there (Karen Traviss) and made sure she was unable to finish some of the best Star Wars books out there (Republic/Imperial Commando).
Don't go away mad George, just go away. You're not a bad person because you try to do interesting and different things, but because you take interesting and different things and make them uninteresting and normal. People dislike you because you don't know how to make a movie that stands up to the definition of a good movie. You don't know how to cut shots together. You don't know how to write. You don't know how to be creative (everyone knows where you got the aliens from Star Wars Episode 4 you bastard). No one likes you because you are an ego maniac that MUST have final say in every single thing that goes on in the SW Universe. You take other peoples work and tell them it's not worthy of being canon when you can't create anything that is a fraction as interesting or well written. And, you are guilty of the most heinous of crimes in the upkeep of your universe: you work to ensure that it never evolves or changes in any way.
Don't forget the Ewoks blinking. He totally could have made them blink if he wanted.Lost In The Void said:
So, is that implicitly telling us that episodes IV-VI were oh-so controlled by the studios, while I-III were limited by what the fans wanted?
In that case, I say: bring back the big studios to do your creative work! Heck, let their execs write the bloody screenplay for the next big Star Wars thing!
In that case, I say: bring back the big studios to do your creative work! Heck, let their execs write the bloody screenplay for the next big Star Wars thing!
It's both a happy and a sad day for cinema. George Lucas is a visonary, and him not making any more big budget films is not particularly good news. But him not messing around with old classics is great. As much as Lucas was a great director, he could never realize that his movies no longer belong solely to him. They are a part of history and need to be left the fuck alone.
I would have liked a sequel trilogy. Too bad.
I would have liked a sequel trilogy. Too bad.
Yeah another WW2 movie about Europe! Because WW2 was really just in Europe, not also in places like Asia! And lets not forget, WW2 where the Germans are all evil! Because we all know that this kind of thing hasn't been done before! *rolls my eyes*WMDogma said:
How about something original, huh?
http://www.darthsanddroids.net./archive.html. Comedy gold.SupahGamuh said:
If you own the movies, you might try fanedited.org for "faneditor's cuts" of the movies. There's a lot
Personally, I thought Magnoliafan's editions pulled a couple of genius tricks. JJB was .. believable, unlike the official versions. And the reimagined character actually contributed to the movie, if you can believe it. He didn't do all three though.
My problem with George Lucas was never that he altered his films. They are his. He is free to do with them what he will. My ***** with George Lucas has always been his total refusal to acknowledge the people that fell in love with the original films and want to see them released in some format better quality than laser disc. If George Lucas would simply release the original films on Blu Ray, or hell I'd settle for DVD, I think a LOT of the critics would go away.
Thank god. He should have done that a while ago.
Still, now that it's finally over, seriously, thanks for the memories George, it's really has been a fun ride, from loving your stuff as a kid, to how much I enjoyed watching that train wreck that was Episode I on.
Still, now that it's finally over, seriously, thanks for the memories George, it's really has been a fun ride, from loving your stuff as a kid, to how much I enjoyed watching that train wreck that was Episode I on.
I have two words.
Not because I disliked his works, but people might just stop bitching about him and cut him some slack. Methinks he's suffered enough.
Not because I disliked his works, but people might just stop bitching about him and cut him some slack. Methinks he's suffered enough.
I think you are referring to an "antihero".Baresark said:
an·ti·he·ro
A main character in a dramatic or narrative work who is characterized by a lack of traditional heroic qualities, such as idealism or courage.
This is actually what makes the character of Han so valuable to the first movie imo. We already have an assortment of heroes - a determined, fearless heroine, a legendary hero from the past, two unlikely heroes (Luke and R2) - so Han as an antihero makes all of the others shine a little brighter in contrast to him. In addition, every one of the protagonists had a different relationship with him, and this gave them more definition - not only did we see how they pursued their goals, we saw how they dealt with someone who wasn't really on "their side" and honestly thought they were all crazy and doomed.
Well done Mr. Lucas.
In my opinion, he just watched the originals over and over again, looking at every scene, asking himself where he could put more CGI in. The he'd put it in, ignore any criticism and say "Perfect!"
I'm glad there'll be no more ruining of one of my favourite franchises.
I'm glad there'll be no more ruining of one of my favourite franchises.
The only news that would make me more happy than this, would be the official and long overdue death of this franchise. There has rarely been any other franchise which has been milked so much. There isn't even any milk coming out anymore, it's just some thick, yellowish and rotten smelling leftover of what used to be milk many years ago.