TestECull said:
LordFisheh said:
It's acceptable to use computers to live out heroic war fantasies, exploration of the unknown, unlikely friendships, global conspiracies, murders, heists, familial turmoil and daring escapes, all portrayed with depths ranging from shallow to artistic.
But as soon as a relationship is on the cards, it's for sad losers who should all be more like me, charismatic stallion that I am.
Every kind of escapism is available in games and I see no reason to treat relationships any differently, however tempting it is to feel smug and superior.
The difference is: You can actually find love in the real world. You can't pick up an AK47 and gun down every ************ in front of you for nine hours straight, you can't mow down endless streams of zombies infesting a shopping mall using a sledgehammer nailed to a fire-axe, and you can't throw fireballs at people's joy departments. These things just don't work in the real world.
Video games are a way for us normal folk to do things normally impossible. Finding love isn't on the list.
I can hardly say it any better than you did TestECull... but i want to try
All humanity seeks for "something", including love and entertainment.
When i play a game, throwing magic and battling with swords against demonic creatures, unleashing a hail of bullets or plasma balls at extraterrestial beings, commanding armies, building or razing cities, saving a world or destroying it to my delight, etc. that's simply entertaining and something not possible in real life while i'm not even hurting anybody. Some games are in between, like racing, flight, or "modern war" simulators and such, while you could do those in real life, but not everyone is able to simply afford to fly a plane, or drive a racing or fast and expensive car, expecialy not through cities and while some might see shooting other people in a digital world as some kind of "comprehension" i'd rather let them continue it "digital" than in real life. Sometimes, in addition to all that you may experience a birlliant story, pretty pictures or alluring music. Sure, the last things mentioned are also accessable as part of many other activities, as a usual part of art, but when an entertaining game also wants to be artistical, or even art by itself, why not?
All those things are part of peoples lifes, some prefer to play video games, some play live action role playing games, some read books, i like to do all of those.
Now, if you want to discuss the matter how far digital social interaction for example in MMOs resembles to other social interaction, or how far for example some "dating sims" (or call it as you want to) should be considered entertainment or art (like many mentioned in the discussion about Katawa Shoujo [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.337056-Disabled-Girl-Dating-Sim-Katawa-Shoujo-Finally-Available#comment_form]) i will gladly join.
But there's NO SENSE in seeking affection or even love in digital entities, part of a program and non-sentient (come again when AI becomes sentient, maybe in another few centuries), you could put just as much effort into loving a stone (edit: if you believe in shintoism, even this might be more rewarding), it would be even more effective to care for another being, like a cat or even a gold fish.
But why seek and reject love for another being/human at the same time? There ARE always chances to find love with another person and when the wicked boundaries of society are hindering you to find that love (you feel rejected, not fitting in, not like a "charismatic stallion" prefered by most people), push those boundaries away, it is always possible in several different ways, makes more sense than getting lost in the illusion of love for somthing not capable of it and is much more fullfilling.
If someone want's to play the game for entertainment or something, i won't argue, even if i don't like it myself and find the idea to pay for made-up emails ridiculous, if you realy need it, better save it to pay for sex (call me smug for that if you want to), but seeing it (or any other game) as a substitute for love won't change anything for the better but only support and recreate false ideals and i call anyone accepting those self enslaved - and i prefer to be a smug instead of a slave and state this to be an intercultural truth (well, excluding "submission-subcultures").