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Knusper

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I just don't like any of Shakespeare's stories. Sure, he introduced a heck of a lot of new words, phrases and insults and much of his work is used as a frame for many other stories, but I recently did Macbeth in English, and I just couldn't get into it and it didn't interest me.
 

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I simply can't bear Tolkien's work. He created a fantastic universe and writes genuinely well. His stories, however, are horrible.
You have it backwards, the universe and stories are great, but his prose is terrible. Try reading The Silmarillion sometime. It contains some of the worst writing I've ever seen, but once you get past that, it also contains some incredible stories. He does write really good alliterative poetry, but he never finished any of his attempts at epic poetry, which is a real shame -- he had several attempts at both The Lay of Leithian and the Narn i Hin Hurin, better known as the tale of Beren and Luthien and the Children of Hurin, respectively. They were great, but as I said earlier, he never finished any of them.

OT: For the most part, classics are classics for a reason. However, I remember trying to read The Rape of the Lock in high school and hating it, but I may have been missing the point. I also have no intention of reading anything by either Marcel Proust or James Joyce, after the excerpts in my college Humanities textbook showed me just how annoying their writing styles were. With Joyce in particular, the man wrote his stuff to be as obtuse as possible in order to be immortalized by English teachers forever attempting to analyze his work. Sadly, he succeeded.
 

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TomLikesGuitar said:
archvile93 said:
That would be correct, not that it makes it any less idiotic. In fact make that issue number seven. I used it at first, but seeing as using it on living enemies alerts everyone in the level to your exact posistion and using it on the dead isn't worth shit, I gave up on it.
Yeah, it's pretty hard to take pictures of the bad guys, but one day you might be pro enough to do it lol.

Srsly tho... You are very much in the minority for not liking Bioshock.
I'm aware of that, since I looked up the metacritic score, though last time I checked Halo has a better one; better than HL2 as well.
 

Hairetos

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M Rotter said:
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I hate A LOT of old things. Dunno why, and I can't say I'm biased since I don't even know they're old before I hate them. It's just one big coincidence.

I hate classic rock all the way through the obnoxious hair metal people like to play in Intro to Guitar classes. I also don't like classic metal (Megadeth, Motorhead, old Metallica, etc.). I like a lot of newer metal genres.

I hate old movies for their lack of...interesting things to do. I dunno, they're just boring.

If you've ever taken an AP English class, you'll learn that almost all of the classic books of "literary merit" run a dull gamut of the same themes. They're pretty much centered around the different types of conflict: person vs. person, person vs. self, person vs. society, which then divulge into relationship, political, ideological, etc. The fact that one AP prompt can be addressed by somewhere around 50 of these books is a testament to this. Plot's not important CUZ U SEID SUMTHNG PROFUND!

I do like Baroque classical music though. Much better than Romantic era stuff.
Most conflicts do boil down to those three (and i got the same handout) and i feel like maybe your opinion of the books is colored because that was explained like that. Sure some authors might have sat down to write a book exploring those themes, but most wrote a story that was meaningful that fit into one, two, or all three. That English handout exists because of the books not the other way around
My biggest issue is that they can get away with having sub-par plots so long as they say something interesting about something. One of the biggest examples contradicting my point is Candide, by Voltaire. It makes an obvious point, has a hilarious plot, and is short and sweet. I feel Candide embodies what books of literary merit should be. Also, The Stranger did a similar job, albeit with a far less interesting plot.

A lot of my hatred for these books comes from the fact that they're compulsory. The arguments for making them required readings are pretty much some variations of: "They're classics, you should learn them" and "It'll make you more well-read and therefore smarter". That's true, they'll probably make you smarter to some degree. Chess does that too. So does playing an instrument. Neither of these are required, however, because it's ridiculous to mandate something which should be considered a hobby. Reading should be something kept fun. Different people will have different reactions to different activities. It's ridiculous to expect everyone to enjoy it and even more ludicrous to force them to read these books.

Since I started taking these literature-based classes, I've not picked up a fiction book of my own desire. I've ultimately become desensitized to the most important question of reading: "is it interesting? My friends tend to feel the same way, which I think is the sad part.

/rant about AP English.
 

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Glademaster said:
Tom Sawyer I found it incredibly boring. Also that boy needs a good old discipline. I do see the appeal of the book I just found it to be very dull.

archvile93 said:
Really you had ammo problems and haking problems? Hacking I found ridiculously easy. Ammo wise the only mild problems I had were on Hard even then only really special ammo was things I had problems with. I suppose maybe early on ammo is a bit hard to come by for say the machine gun but I still don't think it was that bad by the end I had max ammo with everything.
Okay yeah there's one moment at the end where it stocks you up on ammo because your going to be going through a very long passage where you'll find literally no ammo at all and will have to fend off wave after wave after wave of fucking splicers because the stupid ***** you're supposed to be protecting is to busy cannabalizing a corpse to keep moving. Why my character didn't just carry the little dipshit all the way will always be mystery. And as I've corrected myself before now, yes hacking is easy, unless the board sets itself up to be unwinnable, and you won't know if it is until you start hacking.
 

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To Kill a Mockingbird. I'll admit that it does get better about half way through, but the first 90 pages are just so boring... If I wasn't required to read it I never would have.
 

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SquirrelPants said:
Buzz Killington said:
Hah! You haven't read Cymbeline, have you?
I suppose I haven't.
Don't bother--and again, this is coming from someone who's nuts enough about Shakespeare to get two degrees in the subject and is working on a third.[footnote]The third one's a little tangentially related, but still...[/footnote] It's very much a C-list play of his. You'd be better off reading something like Titus Andronicus, which is also considered a lesser play of his, but has murder, adultery, rape, dismemberment, and cannibalism. It's good clean family fun.
 

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I know it has been stated several times before but "Romeo and Juliet". The main characters know eachother for what? About 3 days, and Shakesphere expects us to believe they end up dying for eachother out of true love. Yeah right...
Sometimes, I feel like I'm the only person on Earth who knows what "episteme" means.

You are aware that ideas regarding love, courtship, marriage etc in the Renaissance were as different from today's as to be unrecognisable? Dante (who was married with children, btw) and Petrarch wrote their great works about one girl who looked at them once. That was the basis for some of the greatest collections of love poems ever written.

But sure, go on calling the characters from the 16th Century ridiculous because they do not conform to TODAY's notions about certain paradigms. I guess that your main point of criticism is that they didn't update their facebook status at some point.


This thread has made me facepalm so much, my glasses are liable to break soon.
Come now at least give me some credit... I DO realize that courting was quite different and is easy to see as ridiculous from the modern viewpoint, (dowerys, bethrothment, and such) but I must stand by my view point that even some characters in the play itself have. The view that Romeo and Juliet's relationship finds more foundation in lust than love. In the beginning of the story Romeo was in love with Rosaline and you know why he fell so hard for Juliet? Rosaline wanted to remain celebate! Romeo was distraught over this one little detail and became depressed over it, and his depression (Over Rosaline not putting out) is what led him to be so willing to sneak into the Capulet party where he met (and fell in "love" with) Juliet. If one observes this it becomes obious that Romeo is as fickle as the wind and thinking with the wrong head.

Next time you try to critize you should first analyze both sides, my dear Archangel.
 

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I can't stand W.B. Yeats. We studied his poetry in high school, and I didn't like most of it. Even the ones that I thought were okay didn't stand out to me as being anything particularly special.

Then again, maybe I just don't like poetry all that much on the whole.
 

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Reading though this it seems that people dislike the same things here. Mainly LotR, Shakespeare, The Mona Lisa, and Catcher in the Rye. Now while I rather enjoy LotR and most of Shakespeare (I have not read all of his stuff so I can't say I like or dislike it). What I think of the Mona Lisa is that is was popular at the time of its creation and just stayed popular for no good reason really.

With Catcher in the Rye I really just hated Holden, it was that he was so absurdly annoying and had pretty much no redeeming quality's at all. Then again I did hate that entire English class so that could have affected my view on the book.
 

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Drakmeire said:
Anything by Pink Floyd, the later work of the Beatles, and Radiohead. I know they are geniuses but I think as musicians they fail and produced some truly unlistenable music even if it was deep, meaningful and experimental.
I'm with you on this, and would like to add:
Pretty much every "great German literature
 

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To Kill a Mocking Bird and A Tree Grows In Brooklyn.

First off, there's the morals. Wow, racism is wrong and being poor in 1920s new york is hard? I HAD NO IDEA! These stories pretend to be deep, but really aren't. Which brings to my next point.

Oh my god. These books are so boring that i'd rather play settlers of catan. You can try to pretend the events are connected, but most of them are very unconnected and seem random at best. They're great if you enjoy coming of age dramas or courtroom trial fantasies, but if you want to stay awake and interested i'd look elsewhere. Oh yeah, and A Tree Grows in Brooklyn has a whole shitload of religious undertones and treats sex like how fundamentalists treat sex, and To Kill A Mockingbird is filled to the brim with redneckiness and takes place in a small town and also the kids are scared of a house because the kid who lives there is a shut-in and therefore has lots of bullshit rumors tacked on to him that even the adults believe for no good reason. I was forced to read these books for english class. I will never in my life read them again.
 

Mrkittycat

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Pink Floyd's the Dark Side of the Moon. Weird ass sound effects, takes too long to get to the damn song. My opinion anyway.
 

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Dune. The movie was extremely boring, had a nonsensical plot, and is unbelievably overrated.
*Looks out window to see a mob of sci-fi nerds with torches and pitchforks.*
 

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Hosker said:
People really hate Lotr here, don't they?

I am really disliking Dracula, if that counts as a great masterpiece anyway. The first 4 chapters were brilliant though.
I concede that the ending feels anti-climactic, but I still like Dracula on the whole.
 

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Ethylene Glycol said:
Ever listen to Animals? It came between Wish You Were Here and The Wall, so it's in that time period. It also sounds a lot like The Wall. Just out of curiosity.
 

richard misiak

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the mona lisa is kind of like the paris hilton of paintings, famous for being famous.

loved The Hobbit, loved the movies, read a tolkien encyclopedia cover to cover. the lotr books however suck balls in my opinion. So much useless desciption, such boring boring books.